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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4913</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guzman would even be OK at a million...but I suspect we&#039;d try and sign him to a multiyear deal ala Spiezio/Ibañez.

Let&#039;s put it this way:

Guzman&#039;s 2004 OPS: .693
Rich Aurilia&#039;s 2004 OPS: .667

Aurilia beats Guzman&#039;s 2004 OBP .314 to .309, so the 26 point difference in OPS is smaller than it appears.

His defensive value&#039;s likely better than Aurilia&#039;s, but I&#039;d pass on anything other than cheap filler duty (if we decide Jose Lopez is going to be in Tacoma in April 2005).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guzman would even be OK at a million&#8230;but I suspect we&#8217;d try and sign him to a multiyear deal ala Spiezio/Ibañez.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put it this way:</p>
<p>Guzman&#8217;s 2004 OPS: .693<br />
Rich Aurilia&#8217;s 2004 OPS: .667</p>
<p>Aurilia beats Guzman&#8217;s 2004 OBP .314 to .309, so the 26 point difference in OPS is smaller than it appears.</p>
<p>His defensive value&#8217;s likely better than Aurilia&#8217;s, but I&#8217;d pass on anything other than cheap filler duty (if we decide Jose Lopez is going to be in Tacoma in April 2005).</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4892</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul C, I really don&#039;t think Leone is a prospect.  He strikes out too much and he has trouble throwing the ball across the diamond....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul C, I really don&#8217;t think Leone is a prospect.  He strikes out too much and he has trouble throwing the ball across the diamond&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Covert</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4890</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Covert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 05:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN reports that the Lowell FA possibility is looking realistic: 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1902843

Lowell&#039;s VORP&#039;s for the past three years have been 47, 52, and 53; UZR puts his defense about 7 runs below average (Davenport is more optimistic there). So his recent performance would seem to be worth about 4-5 games a year (more if Davenport is right about his defense); as he&#039;s now over 30, I&#039;d figure on more like 4, 3, 3 over the next three years (but still an average-to-above 3B). If he goes FA he&#039;ll be giving up a year at $7.5M in Florida; I could see him being worth about $20M/3yrs, maybe a little more (though not much more). 

Whether he&#039;ll be worth that much in the M&#039;s specific situation is another question, of course. First, it&#039;s only relevant if Beltre doesn&#039;t come here, of course; I do not wish to promote Lowell as a reason not to go hard after Beltre, only as a possible backup plan just in case. 

Even then, Lowell would only make sense after signing a couple of higher-caliber guys (maybe Clement and J.D. Drew). If we&#039;re going to be rebuilding next year anyway, I&#039;d rather give the 3B time to Leone and see if he pans out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN reports that the Lowell FA possibility is looking realistic: </p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1902843" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1902843</a></p>
<p>Lowell&#8217;s VORP&#8217;s for the past three years have been 47, 52, and 53; UZR puts his defense about 7 runs below average (Davenport is more optimistic there). So his recent performance would seem to be worth about 4-5 games a year (more if Davenport is right about his defense); as he&#8217;s now over 30, I&#8217;d figure on more like 4, 3, 3 over the next three years (but still an average-to-above 3B). If he goes FA he&#8217;ll be giving up a year at $7.5M in Florida; I could see him being worth about $20M/3yrs, maybe a little more (though not much more). </p>
<p>Whether he&#8217;ll be worth that much in the M&#8217;s specific situation is another question, of course. First, it&#8217;s only relevant if Beltre doesn&#8217;t come here, of course; I do not wish to promote Lowell as a reason not to go hard after Beltre, only as a possible backup plan just in case. </p>
<p>Even then, Lowell would only make sense after signing a couple of higher-caliber guys (maybe Clement and J.D. Drew). If we&#8217;re going to be rebuilding next year anyway, I&#8217;d rather give the 3B time to Leone and see if he pans out.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4885</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we could get him for the minimum (or close), maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we could get him for the minimum (or close), maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4879</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ancient Mariner.... I don&#039;t know much about him other than what I saw when he played at Cheney Stadium.... He hits the ball hard.... Not a whole lot of foot speed, decent throwing arm, adequate defense... I don&#039;t know how old he is, though I don&#039;t remember seeing him in the Coast League until 2004...  He looked to me like a guy who can play the game.... I doubt that he could ever be an All Star but in answer to #42 I would rather have him than Christian Guzman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ancient Mariner&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know much about him other than what I saw when he played at Cheney Stadium&#8230;. He hits the ball hard&#8230;. Not a whole lot of foot speed, decent throwing arm, adequate defense&#8230; I don&#8217;t know how old he is, though I don&#8217;t remember seeing him in the Coast League until 2004&#8230;  He looked to me like a guy who can play the game&#8230;. I doubt that he could ever be an All Star but in answer to #42 I would rather have him than Christian Guzman.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CBS Sportsline is reporting that the Twins refused Cristian Guzman&#039;s option for 2005. Any thoughts on Guzman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CBS Sportsline is reporting that the Twins refused Cristian Guzman&#8217;s option for 2005. Any thoughts on Guzman?</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4868</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furmaniak looks like the better of the two to me as well, but all I have is a single stat line to go on.  Anyone know more about this kid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furmaniak looks like the better of the two to me as well, but all I have is a single stat line to go on.  Anyone know more about this kid?</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2004/10/14/off-season-timeline/comment-page-1/#comment-4860</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ancient Marainer, yes Furmaniak is the shortstop I had in mind.  I was not sure how to spell his name.  He looked like a decent player who will never dislodge Kahalil Greene.  I had forgotten about Vazquez, but I think he would be a decent alternative.  Either one would be an upgrade over what the Mariners currently have, though Furmaniak is in my opinion the better player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ancient Marainer, yes Furmaniak is the shortstop I had in mind.  I was not sure how to spell his name.  He looked like a decent player who will never dislodge Kahalil Greene.  I had forgotten about Vazquez, but I think he would be a decent alternative.  Either one would be an upgrade over what the Mariners currently have, though Furmaniak is in my opinion the better player.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #35:  I presume you mean J. J. Furmaniak?  His numbers certainly look good; I don&#039;t know much else about him, though.  SD might be willing to part with him since they have Khalil Greene.  Failing that, I&#039;d be happy to get Ramon Vazquez back--he didn&#039;t hit this season, but he has much better in him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #35:  I presume you mean J. J. Furmaniak?  His numbers certainly look good; I don&#8217;t know much else about him, though.  SD might be willing to part with him since they have Khalil Greene.  Failing that, I&#8217;d be happy to get Ramon Vazquez back&#8211;he didn&#8217;t hit this season, but he has much better in him.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Dash (#35).  Baylor is this year&#039;s Randolph/Chambliss.  Everyone will talk to him so that they can be in compliance with the rules regarding minority candidates.  

Houston will aslo have to randomly select a minority candidate with whom to speak before they are allowed to remove the &quot;interim&quot; tag from Garner&#039;s name plate.

Here&#039;s a question:  If MLB teams do not need to interview minority candidates to name an interim manager, why don&#039;t clubs just keep their &quot;interim&quot; managers?  Is there any reason why a club could not keep the interim manager for, say, five or six years.  After all, &quot;interim&quot; is simply a designation indicating the the manager will not be manager for ever, which is true of all managers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Dash (#35).  Baylor is this year&#8217;s Randolph/Chambliss.  Everyone will talk to him so that they can be in compliance with the rules regarding minority candidates.  </p>
<p>Houston will aslo have to randomly select a minority candidate with whom to speak before they are allowed to remove the &#8220;interim&#8221; tag from Garner&#8217;s name plate.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question:  If MLB teams do not need to interview minority candidates to name an interim manager, why don&#8217;t clubs just keep their &#8220;interim&#8221; managers?  Is there any reason why a club could not keep the interim manager for, say, five or six years.  After all, &#8220;interim&#8221; is simply a designation indicating the the manager will not be manager for ever, which is true of all managers.</p>
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