Boone leaves game
JMB · March 8, 2005 at 2:02 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Bret Boone just left today’s spring training game, mid-inning during a pitching change, and is being looked at by team trainers. More info as/if we get it…
Edit by Dave: And Joel Pineiro has been scratched from tomorrow’s start due to soreness in his throwing shoulder. Rest and rehab isn’t always a failure–see Jason Schmidt–so there’s a chance Pineiro stays healthy all year. It’s just not a very good one.
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I hope it’s not serious. I don’t want to NEED Jose Lopez.
OK. I hope it isn’t serious! Who are our backups? Lopez is the obvious choice, but what if the org decides not to go with him? Will we see Bloomquist,Santiago, Gil, Gutierrez, Leone?! Spiezio?! I think we need a Jolbert Cabrera type trade, real bad.
Shall we wait for the diagnosis before we perform the autopsy?
Either way we need a “Jolbert Cabrera trade”. Gutierrez/Santiago won’t cut it as backup shortstops
We’re low on utility infielders, that’s true, but it’s not a glaring hole.
Corcoran – I think you’re really overrating Jolbert Cabrera. Not only that, but giving up 2 minor-league arms for a player like Jolbert Cabrera isn’t very smart.
I don’t think Jolbert is GOOD, per se, he only posted an OBP of what , .320, with a lot of K’s. Jolbert did, however, fill in at all positions adequately. He is a heck of an upgrade over Gil or Gutierrez, or Bloomquist for that matter. I would look for someone younger and cheaper, however. By “Jolbert Cabrera trade,” I mean that we need to get a decent UTL quick. The arms we gave up, Looper and Ketchner, were either spare parts (Looper), or low-level minor pitching with a lot of upside, but an average track record (Ketchner). If you say we gave up Bott and Ketchner instead of Looper and Ketchner, it’s even better, as Bott is strictly minor league roster filler.
To add on, my old, subjective blood is kind of carrying through this (I was raised the old-school way), and I was thinking of Clutch Cabrera (all those clutch hits! Those RBIs! Those clutch HRs!), etc, before realizing that I AM overrating Cabrera.
I think USSM is good for you, Corco. You’re much less excitable than you used to be on the official Mariners boards.
Perhaps Boone aggravated an injury sustained while playing basketball, and the M’s can 1) get out of his contract, 2) let Lopez develop as a full-time MLB, rather than AAA, 2b (not that that’s necessarily a good thing), and 3) have the spare cash to bring in Matt Clement. Oh, damn, the off-season is over. Spare cash to trade for Tim Hud…rats. Spare cashe to trade for and sign Ben Sheets! Yeah, that’s it! Or, more likely, spare cash for Lincoln’s magician-accountants to disappear?
Who are you, Evan? (What’s your posting name over there)
Anyway, If Boone were Injured:
I would rather let Lopez develop in AAA. I would hope we can get lucky and find a waiver claim/ trade along the lines of Marco Scutaro.
I just figured out today that you’re Corco (because you posted effectively the same message in both places within moments), though I had previously suspected.
I’m llewdor. I’m not there much.
So far, there’s been nothing said about this during the game/post-game show. Was Boone in the A or B game?
OT- don’t know if any of you are soccer fans, but today’s game between Chelsea and Barcelona was an epic sporting event for the ages. http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ–?slug=afp-fbleurc1&prov=afp&type=lgns
I would assume Pokey at 2nd, Lopez at Short.
#14. anytime the Chelsea scum win, it cannot be classified as a sporting moment, only as a major disappointment. Down with Mourinho!!
On a semi-related note, Benji Gil hit a home run in today’s A-game, which effectively wipes out any chance that THAT opposing pitcher (Alec Zumwalt) had at getting a 25-man spot on the Brewers’ roster.
#16 – I was lucky enough to be watching when Newcastle knocked Chelsea out of the FA cup a few weeks ago. That was a glorious moment.
I have still seen nothing about the two games today that even mentioned Boone.
Maybe Boone was brought out of the game for a random steroid test. Severe speculation, here.
I can’t imagine they’d actually pull someone out of a game for a steroid test.
If they were going to check anybody it would be Prince after that monster blast
For some reason, I’m more concerned about Joel Pineiro having his start pushed back due to shoulder soreness rather than Bret Boone having to come out of a game. I’m not sure why.
Okay, that’s what I heard after the radio broadcast today. Apparently Joel’s not too afraid or bummed about it. http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050308&content_id=962144&vkey=spt2005news&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea
OT: You can run on Randy Winn on MVP Baseball 2005.
That is all.
“Its just not a very good one.” Give me a frickin break! I swear your one of those goth kids who hates the world. Way to be positive!
Goth? I’m not even sure I own one item of black cothing. At the feed, I was told I looked like the lovechild of Kevin Costner and Billy Bob Thornton. I’m not sure you can get much further from goth than Ray Kinsella.
Anyways, “being positive” and ignoring the historical failure of the rest-and-rehab way of bringing pitchers through injuries doesn’t do anyone any good. It’s just denial. If it makes you feel better to believe that Pineiro’s a great bet to throw 200 innings this year, well, bully for you. Personally, I’d rather not set myself up for disappointment.
Good news is that King Felix gets Pineiros start tomorrow.
You know, I hope the New York Yankees find a way to acquire both Ken Griffey, Jr. and Bret Boone prior to the trading deadline this season, for it would give us folk in the Seattle region more reason to dispise the vaunted Yanks. I mean, the Yanks have nothin’ at second base (‘xcept for Tony Womack and Rey Sanchez, and neither one of ’em is any good), nor at designated hitter (as Ruben Sierra and Jason Giambi would be better suited as a role players); therefore, it would be smart of the Yanks to pick up both Griffey, Jr. and Boone.
I have to agree with Mike on this one. Why is everyone so quick to write off Pineiro after a little soreness in his shoulder. If it was a twinge in his elbow, I could understand the pessimism. However, this soreness is totally unrelated to Pineiro’s other issues, and he doesnt’ have a history of shoulder problems.
Is there something that you guys know that isn’t available to the rest of us? If not, then it seems silly to suggest that Pineiro is a lost cause. Lets at least wait until we hear some real bad news before we give up on Joel.
The important thing to remember is that there is a big difference between soreness from not having thrown in a long time, and soreness from an injury. At this point, we don’t know which this is. Pineiro says that it is just lingering soreness, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. However, from Dave’s comments, you would think that he had a torn rotator cuff or something. Rest is the best way to get over routine soreness. If you have ever been sore after doing something strenuous after a period of inactivity, then you would know what I am talking about. For this type of problem, there is no “historical failure of the rest-and-rehab” because it is not a real injury.
Again, if this was his elbow, I could understand your concern. However, lets not jump the gun here.
This news about Piniero does not discourage me because I was already pessimistic enough to believe that he would not contribute much to the ’05 team due to his elbow injury. If you aim low, it is hard to be disappointed.
“If you aim low, it is hard to be disappointed.”
Or, better said, ‘If you aim low, you won’t be disappointed when a tornado destroys your trailer home.
I sure hope it is nothing. But back in July, he also said the elbow was just a little bit sore and it was nothing.
jj,
Thats not true. When he was hurt, he said that he felt something that wasn’t right, and came out of the game immediately. The initial reports were that he needed Tommy John surgery. If anything, it looked worse initially.
Jerry, I am not talking about at the game. If you looked at his comment the night after the game, he was sure it was nothing. And the TJ surgery stuff came two days after.
From seattle times:”It was a changeup I threw (in the eighth inning), and the elbow felt a little tight,” said Pineiro, who grimaced after each of his final three pitches in the inning and at one point held his elbow. “It was a cramp or something like that. I just iced it. We’ll see how it feels (today). I’m not concerned. I didn’t feel a pop or anything.”
His condition was final at July 27, way from the day he felt the pain.
Instead of pitching three innings against the Royals in Surprise on Wednesday afternoon as planned, he’ll continue getting treatment and 18-year-old right-hander Felix Hernandez will face Kansas City.
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hahahah.. I finaly realized Surprise was the name of the city the royals played in.. I kept seeing it under location on all of these spring training schedules.. I thought it really was a surprise.. like they were playing somewhere really cool or interesting.. man i feel stupid now..
#37 Nope. Its a place with lots of old people that takes like an hour to get to from the airport.
I am not sure that I understand Dave’s edit. Should the M’s have operated on Pineiro for the sake of operating even though it was just a muscle strain, or do you know that it was in fact an elbow ligament problem? I would understand the comment if it were Eddie Guardado and a torn rotator cuff, but all Pineiro supposed suffered was a strain. Is there any other method to repair a strain other than R&R?
It wasn’t a criticism of how the team handled the situation at all. It was just a comment that, historically, rest-and-rehab almost never works as a long term solution to arm problems. Arm problems rarely just go away. I think there’s probably something like a 70 percent chance that Pineiro spends a decent amount of time on the disabled list this year, though I agree, there’s not much the M’s could do about it.
if the M’s record with pitchers wasn’t SO abysmal (see the Mariner Minors link for a truly devastating critique of the org’s pitching “issues”) then a little soreness in joel’s shoulder wouldn’t seem like the end of the world. my fear: at the end of the day the only arms we’ll be able to count on will be arms too old to mess up…
Lots of guys have a bit of soreness in their arms in the spring (I always do when softball season starts, but that’s because I’m out of shape). It’s the M’s injury history that makes us jumpy when we hear this sort of stuff.
re: Boone, it’s reported as a sore back, and as he isn’t trying to play through as he did during the season last year (leading to spasms, and possibly the strained hip flexor) hopefully all will be well soon.
Odd that the P-I hasn’t mentioned it, but I found it in the Everett Herald: http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/03/09/100spo_msnotes001.cfm
“Boone ailing: Second baseman Bret Boone had to leave the game against the Angels because of back spasms after he lunged for a ball in the fourth inning. He was replaced by Ramon Santiago with two outs in the bottom of the inning.
“Trainer Rick Griffin said Boone would be re-evaluated today.”
One assumes that if it was a big deal it would be louder.
For want of a better place:
If Felix did indeed make his first start this afternoon, it doesn’t appear to have gone at all well: the running line score of the game shows the Royals scoring 4 runs in the 1st inning.
Any more news?
#42 I think its more the fact that we always hear the sore arm comment before they tell us they are shutting down another pitcher.