Game 13, Mariners at Angels

DMZ · April 18, 2005 at 6:07 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Aaron Sele v Paul Byrd (what, really… yup). 7:05, FSN for TV.

Mariners and Angels are both 6-6.

As I type this, the Rainiers are playing the last game of their homestand against Fresno. Listen to it now on the net or at KHHO 850 radio and enjoy the fine play by play of Mike Curto. If you want, you can keep listening as the Mariners game comes on, and enjoy two broadcasts, rather than be annoyed at the audio of the M’s .

Look for today’s ready-made commentary from the press notes, in order of probability:
- Sele was with the Angels after he was with the Mariners. Stats, so forth.
- Boone and the 1,000th RBI (who’s around him)
- Mariners hitting much better with runners in scoring position compared to last year
- Ichiro and the multi-hit games (after Ichiro gets one hit)
- Don Baylor’s return
- Alan Schwarz’s article on teams drafting has the Mariners producing the 4th-highest number of current players in the majors

Please, no wagering

Comments

105 Responses to “Game 13, Mariners at Angels”

  1. blank on April 18th, 2005 6:13 pm

    What radio station broadcasts the Rainiers games in the Seattle area?

  2. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 6:21 pm

    850 AM KHHO. Thats the feed I’m getting online. I dont live in the Seattle area so I cant verify how far the reach is.

  3. DMZ on April 18th, 2005 6:27 pm

    Oops, clipped the tag so it doesn’t show. My fault. I’ll fix that.

  4. Todd on April 18th, 2005 6:33 pm

    Will we see any 1979 Don Baylor footage?

  5. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 6:36 pm

    Curto just said “King Felix”

  6. Jeff on April 18th, 2005 6:59 pm

    Listening to the color analyst for the Angels, Rex Hudler, is always an interesting experience. What a strange man.

  7. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 7:05 pm

    Aaaah, but can he top Fairly?

  8. smith on April 18th, 2005 7:06 pm

    Marijuana tends to do that to people. . . .

  9. Zat on April 18th, 2005 7:07 pm

    I didn’t think it was possible for our tv/radio broadcast team to get any worse…unfortunately Matt Morrison has proven me wrong.

  10. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 7:07 pm

    there’s the multi hits

  11. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 7:08 pm

    “if you’re not careful, he’ll just flat get you out.” -Ron Fairly on paul byrd

  12. Chuck on April 18th, 2005 7:11 pm

    wow, those Beltre pitches were right down the middle

  13. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 7:16 pm

    Anyone else with MLB TV having issues logging on?

  14. Saul on April 18th, 2005 7:18 pm

    Yay for Jeremy Reed.

  15. Chuck on April 18th, 2005 7:18 pm

    that was a nice catch

  16. Brian Rust on April 18th, 2005 7:19 pm

    “Re-tag” second base??? Puh-lease!!! All he has to do is stay in the “baseline.”

  17. Chuck on April 18th, 2005 7:20 pm

    nice job by sele avoiding the big inning

  18. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 7:22 pm

    Indeed. Sexon lost 9 pounds with the flu…….

  19. Mustard on April 18th, 2005 7:29 pm

    Is there any way to listen to the Mariners games over the internet and free?

    Thanks

  20. andy on April 18th, 2005 7:30 pm

    anotherjeff, i can’t get mlb.tv to work either. I get a blackout problem despite being in massachusetts. waiting on customer service. anyone have a solution to this?

  21. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 7:33 pm

    Mustard a few years ago, yes. But MLB stomped that out so they could make money from it.

  22. Mustard on April 18th, 2005 7:35 pm

    Yeah, i wasnt sure if that was just for the tv or not…i just need sound. lol Its hard to find Mariner coverage in Ontario…all we get is Jays, Yankees and Boston…and i am sick of the last two.

    Guess i’ll have to spring for the mlb.tv….

  23. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 7:36 pm

    Andy,

    Good luck with the wait! I was on hold forever. Mine wasnt a blackout problem. It said that I was logged in too many times, and infact wasnt logged in at all. All they told me was to wait 30 minutes (gurrrr) and reset my password and try again. Guess I’ll listen to Tacoma for a while.

  24. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 7:42 pm

    Mustard I’m still a bit bitter over it. I can remember the exact day it started, I was in high school and didn’t have cable so I usually listened to games over radio station web feeds while I played a game.

    One day ESPN didn’t have their web feeds. The station I normally listen to on the radio came up with a message about having to figure out “ad revenue” from their web feed. Every other station I checked had a similar, but not identical, message. After a day or two I noticed they didn’t give that message if you clicked on their web feed at times other than during Mariners broadcasts.

    Needless to say MLB radio and TV were rolled out not too much later.

    Not too much later

  25. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 7:50 pm

    Boras is watching the game from the seats behind the plate- to the right of the ump

  26. Jeff in Fremont on April 18th, 2005 7:51 pm

    Damn Dave Niehaus and his deteriorating depth perception!

  27. msb on April 18th, 2005 7:58 pm

    well, you knew THAT one was coming.

  28. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 7:59 pm

    Uh-oh.

  29. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:01 pm

    And, since I don’t want to think about the game, I’m going to rant about the whole issue.

    Anyone who has access to the games on cable would rather watch that than a crapy webcast. Most people with radio access would rather hear than than the web feeds.

    So why not support it primarily with ads? Why the stupid blackouts? Why should I buy a crappy web feed to watch that will be blacked out all of the time? The only reason to buy it would be that I can’t catch the game on TV much of the time and want to see them play.

  30. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:06 pm

    #29

    I feel your pain. When Seattle was in KC I couldnt watch on MLB TV because I’m in the KC market. The trick is, I live near Wichita and dont get any KC channels.

  31. msb on April 18th, 2005 8:06 pm

    sigh. remember when Sele used to average at least 6-7 runs of support per game?

  32. Bigfoot Hunter on April 18th, 2005 8:08 pm

    So comes the defense of Dallas.
    What a great name.
    Dallas McPherson.

  33. John in L.A. on April 18th, 2005 8:08 pm

    I’m just watching this… still in a daze, stunned that we are actually using Sele as one of our starting pitchers.

    A ninety+ million dollar team and we are putting freaking Sele out their every fifth game.

    That’s ridiculous.

  34. paul on April 18th, 2005 8:09 pm

    Am I the only one that’s really happy that Niehaus no longer has a name for the Aflac trivia question duck?

  35. paul on April 18th, 2005 8:12 pm

    While were not talking about the game.. I was thinking about baseball circa 2020. I can’t wait for the view from cameras embedded in the ball. Especially in slow-mo as it goes in for some chin music. Or fouling high above safeco, view of sound, etc. or of Jacobs field (view of the wharehouse…). Course it’d have to have some wicked gyro to keep it level (which will exist). And cameras would have to keep shrinking and getting cheaper (which might happen). Good times.

  36. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:12 pm

    Does anyone else find it silly that (on the radio) it was just pointed out that we’ve had ‘great’ pitching because our ERA is low so far?

    Honestly, from what I’ve seen, our pitching is horrible. That number is all KC being awful, not talent.

  37. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:15 pm

    paul I’m about ready to throw up just thinking about the balls-eye view of something like a big 12-6 curve, or even a slider.

  38. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:16 pm

    i always wonder how much of what the announcers say they actually believe and how much they just shill out to us “lay people”…keeping up appearances or what not…

  39. Saul on April 18th, 2005 8:16 pm

    I love Olivo’s arm.

  40. Saul on April 18th, 2005 8:17 pm

    Well, his throwing one.

  41. Tim on April 18th, 2005 8:18 pm

    Horrible? Even the pitching outside of KC has been pretty decent against some solid teams. Just because you think they will be bad later in the season (which is likely), doesn’t mean they have pitched poorly already.

  42. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:20 pm

    woo, a certain someone was just kinda tested in his running ability in tacoma and made it in

  43. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:21 pm

    Ssss….Doyle just walked in Tacoma. In the time it took me to type that, Wiki’s on 2nd, Doyles on 3rd, Morse is up

  44. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:22 pm

    Tim I think there have been good performances, but I have as many memories of performances (all of Guardado’s saves) that were one bad pitch from being a meltdown, or defied averages (Franklin’s starts), or just looked like batting practice against a team on rufies.

    We haven’t given up a lot of runs so far, but it just always seems like they’re on the very edge of that. I wouldn’t call that good pitching, unless they can keep it up over the long haul.

  45. firova on April 18th, 2005 8:22 pm

    Hard to be disappointed with the pitching so far. They’ve been victimized by 5 unearned runs and the Beuhrle gem; otherwise, it has been winning pitching.

  46. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:23 pm

    Doyle out at home. Still healthy

  47. Saul on April 18th, 2005 8:25 pm

    Wonderful.

  48. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:25 pm

    anybody seeing this houston-atlanta game? scoreless going into the 12th

  49. Phil on April 18th, 2005 8:25 pm

    And MLB.TV has just been closed.

  50. firova on April 18th, 2005 8:26 pm

    My moratorium on Sele-bashing is hereby ended.

  51. Harry on April 18th, 2005 8:26 pm

    This is ugly. I remember when the M’s used to go down to Anaheim and beat them mercilessly. This is ugly.

  52. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:27 pm

    Bring on Thornton!

  53. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:27 pm

    hey’ve been victimized by 5 unearned runs and the Beuhrle gem; otherwise, it has been winning pitching.

    Yeah, I guess that’s true. A lot of the bad memories were caused by poor defense, or having the wrong players out on the field. I don’t feel like they’ve melted down yet(although tonight doesn’t help), but it never feels like they’re pitching really well. They’re just holding on.

  54. Jeremy on April 18th, 2005 8:28 pm

    Now that’s some North Kitsap Viking pride! HA!

  55. Tim on April 18th, 2005 8:28 pm

    Matt – I agree. We have not seen good pitching, but I think it has been at worst average (not horrible) with great results (ERA). Your comment was probably more for effect because of the luck they have received. With that assessment I agree.

  56. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 8:30 pm

    Considering what we expected to see we’ve seem very good pitching. It was obvious from the start of the off-season that they were working on upgrading the offense and waiting to see which young arms performed this year before dealing with the pitching.

  57. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 8:30 pm

    I would certainly agree with that, I will often go into hyperbole when I shouldn’t.

  58. westfried on April 18th, 2005 8:31 pm

    One cool aspect (perhaps the only one) of Sele pitching tonight:

    ESPN’s GameCast is still using a picture with his Angels hat on. So, in the pitcher-hitter box, it’s Angels versus Angels.

    Which, given the batting-practice nature of his pitching, is entirely appropriate.

  59. Tim in Japan on April 18th, 2005 8:32 pm

    Sele’s getting roughed up. How’s Campillo looking as an alternative?

    Is it time to put a fork in Steve Finley I wonder?

  60. John in L.A. on April 18th, 2005 8:33 pm

    Oh, I think our pitching stinks, I don’t think there is too much question there. Regardless of numbers they have put up so far. I just don’t think we have major league pitching. And I think it’s not getting better anytime soon.

    Franklin, bless him, is pitching way over his head.

    Sele is… well, Sele is pitching right now.

    This is about what I expect from him this year.

    Moyer is better than last year, but scares no one.

    Bobby is hurt. Pineiro is hurt(?). And consistently underachieving anyway.

    The bullpen? The bullpen has Thornton and Nelson and an injured closer that is scaring the daylights out of me.

    They have performed better than their abilities so far… that can’t continue for long.

  61. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:34 pm

    59, today he went 7 with 7 hits and 2 earned…2 walks and 5 k’s…looking good i’d say

  62. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:35 pm

    Something is very wrong when Wilson Valdez is the teams hot hitter for the night. The pitching may be bad, but the hitters simply are not getting the job done.

  63. John in L.A. on April 18th, 2005 8:35 pm

    Does anyone know the numbers on pitchers facing their former team the next year?

    I don’t know any numbers… but it’s always scared me. It seems(only seems) like whenever we trot a pitcher against their former team they get shelled.

  64. Tim in Japan on April 18th, 2005 8:35 pm

    Thorton time. Sigh.

  65. paul on April 18th, 2005 8:43 pm

    Hammer time!

  66. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:44 pm

    Chooie singles, Santiago on second. Leone up, Doyle on deck

  67. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:45 pm

    woohoo beltre, “think positive, think positive”

  68. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:45 pm

    Thats 2 that Beltre seems to have hit hard. Gameday made it look like he hit it out.

  69. Kelly on April 18th, 2005 8:46 pm

    I swear that if Doyle is called up I’m going to get a Mariners jersey with “Doyle” written proudly across the back.

    Doyle is just a GREAT nickname, even better than King Felix. Of course, nothing beats Shiggy, Winny, Boonie, or Nellie. I can’t decide if I want to hear Niehaus refer to Sexson as “Sexy” or not. On the one hand – flat out hilarious. On the other, um, downright scary.

  70. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:47 pm

    aaah, i’m getting nervous with doyle coming up…*starts rocking back and forth*

  71. John in L.A. on April 18th, 2005 8:48 pm

    Sacks loaded.

    C’mon Winn. Make us proud.

  72. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 8:49 pm

    DOYYYYYYLE!!!! Knocks in the winning run!

  73. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 8:50 pm

    woohooo!!!!!!!!!

  74. Eli on April 18th, 2005 8:50 pm

    It’s making me nervous with Curto saying C* S*’s name over and over. Doesn’t he know it’s dangerous?

  75. Tim in Japan on April 18th, 2005 8:52 pm

    I thought the Mariners were supposed to be hitting better this year with RISP.

  76. TypicalIdiotFan on April 18th, 2005 8:54 pm

    Is it my imagination, or is nothing good happening for us in this game? Guerrero’s homerun notwithstanding, it just seems like we’re hitting everything hard right at people. Sheesh.

  77. msb on April 18th, 2005 8:55 pm

    #51-Harry said:”This is ugly. I remember when the M’s used to go down to Anaheim and beat them mercilessly.”

    and visa versa… I was just poking around in the asbs-m archives (trying to find a note about Moyer vs Anaheim from years past) and found a 2002 thread started by Michael Cox with the comment “Doesn’t it seem like every time the M’s go to Anaheim there’s at least one massively lopsided game? I remember being in SoCal about six years ago, and saw the M’s cream the Angels in the first game, then the opposite the next night, and although I forget who won the third, it was another brutal beating”

    I also found my old Moyer note — that over the last 6 years+ he has a losing record to them– between guys who have hit him well over the years & the general weirdness that seems to happen when he pitches against them … my impression about Angel games (unbacked backed by any stats, mind you) it seems he has more hit batters, walks, HRs & pitcher errors against them than any other team. The classic was when Glaus almost charged the mound one night down there, convinced Moyer was throwing at him.

  78. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 9:02 pm

    I cant blame Glaus for being mad, I dont like being tickled either.

  79. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 9:08 pm

    Looking like last years Mariners in this game… 9 hits, 9 LOB, no runs.

  80. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 9:08 pm

    reed’s lookin’ nice though…

  81. msb on April 18th, 2005 9:09 pm

    so, lets see, Moyer/Gregg tomorrow, Pineiro/Zito on wed, Franklin/Harden on thurs — heck, the Ms could go from 6-6 & tied for top of the division to 6-10 and the bottom of the West in just 4 days without hardly trying …

    so, how long will they want Doyle to get regular playing time in AAA? it’s been a while since he was on the field…

  82. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 9:15 pm

    You mean 8-8. You’d have to think they can beat Gregg and Zito isn’t any more of a gurantee win for the A’s than Pineiro is to us.

  83. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 9:21 pm

    Note to team… when a pitcher has your number stop swinging at the first pitch. Especially when its the first game in a series and you’re giving the other teams bullpen lots of rest.

  84. Matt Williams on April 18th, 2005 9:31 pm

    Christopher Michael but the Zito game can easily go for them, so losing that one could easily be an “average” performance. With the other game all it may take is a bad performance by one player and we may lose.

  85. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 9:32 pm

    Did I just see Randy Winn gun someone down?

  86. zack on April 18th, 2005 9:34 pm

    On any given night, it looks like about four of our hitters are showing up to play. Pathetic.

  87. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 9:36 pm

    With the way Zito is pitching right now I don’t see how we could lose all 4 of these games “without hardly trying”. Maybe I’m being way too optimistic but I think this team is better than going 0-4 with those being the pitchers we are facing.

  88. Christopher Michael on April 18th, 2005 9:38 pm

    Why out of all our minor leaguers was Dobbs picked again?

  89. John in L.A. on April 18th, 2005 9:39 pm

    Hey, Spezio got his first hit of the season.

    Whee. He’s so *clutch*

  90. Ben on April 18th, 2005 9:40 pm

    Hmmmm.

    Maybe we should have Moyer hit Spezio with a few pitches before each game.

  91. anotherjeff on April 18th, 2005 9:43 pm

    Since they still love Spezio in LA so much, maybe we can give him back.

  92. boo nelson on April 18th, 2005 9:44 pm

    91, that would be so very nice…

  93. Tim in Japan on April 18th, 2005 9:46 pm

    1 run on 12 hits. What a lovely game.

  94. AK1984 on April 18th, 2005 9:50 pm

    Well, how long do y’all think it’ll be ’til the M’s send down Dobber — who is worse than the character from “Coach” — and bring up either Justin Leone or ‘Doyle’?

  95. msb on April 18th, 2005 9:52 pm

    lessee, Byrd’s ERA vs the Ms before the game was 1.72, and the run tonight in 8 innings should take it down to about 1.55…

  96. DMZ on April 18th, 2005 9:52 pm

    I’m still amazed that Winn got an assist. I’d have thought the call for a Winn assist would go “And Calvin Pickering has tripped up on something between second and third — he’s not getting up as Winn charges the ball — Pickering is… he’s reading the newspaper! Valdez makes the tag!”

  97. johnb on April 18th, 2005 9:53 pm

    I can see the possibility of Doyle if healthy being in Seattle by June to help bolster a sagging bench.

  98. msb on April 18th, 2005 9:57 pm

    #96–DMZ said:“And Calvin Pickering has tripped up on something between second and third — he’s not getting up as Winn charges the ball”

    shouldn’t that be “as the ball drops in front of Winn, he picks it up and…”

  99. Paul Covert on April 18th, 2005 11:33 pm

    By the way, about this “Doyle” nickname… am I the only one to have imagined what Dave Valle is going to do to that if it catches on?

  100. DMZ on April 19th, 2005 12:39 am

    There’s no way Valle reads USSM, and I don’t think it’ll ever catch on outside here. That said, who knows.

  101. David on April 19th, 2005 2:58 am

    I’ve looked through the game logs for this game multiple times to clarify that what I’m about to say is true. From the boxscore, you can see that the Mariner hitters failed to draw a single walk against Byrd/Donnelly. From what I’ve seen from my notes and the logs, the Mariner didn’t even get to a single three-ball count in the game. I have no idea how often this happens, but I’m thinking it can’t be too often.

  102. Greg Pirkl on April 19th, 2005 3:17 am

    Scott Spezio is Brutal….

    Randy Winn is going to KILL this team all season–you cannot put together a team where you know your outfield is going to end the season with less than 20HR’s…

    You can have winn or reed but not both…since the upside on JR is infinitly better ditch winn package him with franklin or boone and make something happen,…act now before the standings get away from us..

  103. Xteve X on April 19th, 2005 9:35 am

    I remember posting in spring training about how Sele’s stamina is gone…last night a classic example, he gets to the 4th inning and just absolutely hits the wall. If Sele has a future here it should be in long relief…Dave’s right, our defense is really making our crap pitching staff look good right now.

  104. Evan on April 19th, 2005 9:56 am

    I thought the MLB.TV issue was just me. They’ve misspelled British Columbia on the address verification screen, so I figured that was what was preventing me from verifying my location (no self-respecting credit card company would agree that I’m in Brtish Columbia).

  105. Paul Covert on April 19th, 2005 10:11 am

    (Sorry, attempted joke didn’t work: I was imagining Valle referring to him as “Doily.”)