Game 43, Padres at Mariners
Dave · May 22, 2005 at 1:29 pm · Filed Under Mariners
My turn to just get home and toss up a game thread. I’m exhausted, though, so I’m going to bed. Be nice to eath other in the thread.
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Now – does Borders catching have any effect?
Congrats Sele. Maybe we can take a little momentum into Baltimore and not get embarassed.
Ichiro! was 0-5. Dude should be sent down to Tacoma.
Borders got a hit??!
He was on base twice.
Shoeless Joe: meant to say thanks earlier for coming up with that information on the roof. Thanks.
If I were Aaron Sele, I’d be pissed.
The fans watching at home were too distracted by the Press Box Suite to notice his performance today. So I guess that’s my best explanation as to why nobody can quite understand why Sele pitched so well today. Nobody noticed, heh.
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If Sele keeps throwing complete game shutouts for the rest of the season, I’m sure everyone will be quite ecstatic.
I am assuming that Borders had to at least have something to do with Sele doing so well today. I think they both deserve some props.
Re: (# 4) STAUFFER – Except when he goes against the Ms, I’m cheering for him. http://tinyurl.com/52cpv
He gets a lot of ink in Jim Collins’ THE LAST BEST LEAGUE (a book about the Cape Cod League, a summer league for college players–the only college league that uses wooden bats). *
Please excuse me if # 4 has been responded to. I don’t have time to avoid duplication by reading the whole thread. (No offense to the Mariner Nation, but I’m reading Julie Otsuka’s WHEN THE EMPEROR WAS DIVINE, and it’s hard to put down.)
BTW: http://tinyurl.com/8pgad
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*Collins and his family spent the 2002 season living in Chatham and following the Chatham As.
Is brain transplantation viable? Because Borders’ brain in Olivo’s body would rule.
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rofl, i wish..Olivo is a hard worker though, its payed off with his hitting the last week or so. Olivo, just like this team, has time to turn it around, he just needs to start now.
I got to see Sele today in my “instant upgrade” (read: snuck in) seats along the 3rd base line, 10 rows up.
He was surprisingly effective- getting a lot of groundouts early, more flyouts late.
The funny part (for me) is he’s had arguably his 2 best starts after I came off of my “well, he pitched well enough in Spring Training to give him a shot” stance to “release the dude”.
I’m still not convinced it’s anything other than a irmage, but props to a good performance.
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#109, in the game recap sele mentions he loved having borders catch:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250522112
Well how about THAT!? Looks like that fork sticking out of his back loosened up his shoulder. A CG no less! I wish I could say “I told you so”… but I can’t. =) Nice job out there, A.S.
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I say we drop Sele whenever his scoreless inning streak ends. There’s some incentive.
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To be entirely clear about something:
I don’t think Sele’s been a good pitcher since he blew his arm out.
That doesn’t mean I think he’s a bad person.
It doesn’t mean I think today’s game didn’t happen.
Today’s game doesn’t mean he’s suddenly become a good pitcher, either.
Many of the disappointing comments today are along the lines of “why do you [adjectives here] [statheads/USSM people/humans] hate Sele so much?”
I admit, first, that I don’t understand why anyone thinks that recognizing Sele has by and large been ineffective since his injury somehow means we hate him.
But moreover, here’s the thing:
If you want to argue that Sele’s now more effective, that’s cool. People have done it in this very thread. If you want to make a cogent argument that we’ve missed something in our writing about Sele, I’m all ears.
If you want to call someone names, this is not the place for you. You are not welcome here.
Hey, I saw a comment before it got deleted. Do I win a prize?
Aaron Sele pitches a 4-hit shutout, while Ichiro goes 0 for 5?! We must now be living in some bizarre alternative reality where up is down, and down is up.
Amazing what a little complete game shutout will do to the stats. Sele’s official record is 3-4. My unofficial method of looking at this is a little different: He’s started 9 games and the team has won 4 of those games so by my lights he’s 4 for 9, pitching .444– just a hair below .500 which is all the M’s ever wanted out of the guy. Innings pitched: 50.2. Thats third on the team with Franklin leading the pace with 55.2, Meche second. Moyer has 45.2 and Pineiro 38.2.
No idea if he can keep chuggin’ along but as he proceeds I figure the M’s will get their money’s worth if he can manage to pitch .500 ball.
I suppose Borders will catch him next time as well, eh? =)
Well, I look at it this way.
If he turns into this year’s Jose Lima, more power to him. It does happen- a veteran pitcher who appears on the downside of his career bounces back and has a good year. Is it likely? Not really.
And BTW, Lima’s 0-3 with a 7.36 ERA pitching for KC in 10 starts. That’s the thing- the number of Jamie Moyers (pitchers who become dramatically better for a long time in their 30’s after a period of ineffectiveness) is pretty small.
Anybody want to comment on the new “Mega Moose” from Sat. night’s game?
Mega Moose is old news. They dust him off every once in a while.
No argument, Sir Eponym.
I would offer that as a #5 starter the M’s might have been better served for the ’06 season by training up a youngster ready to make the jump had there been any who qualified at the end of March. But it looks like they knew there wouldn’t be any such item in Nov 04. So they snagged Sele who doesn’t have much of a ‘future’. However he has, at least, a ‘present’ which is a level head and experience enough to get 15-18 outs and keep the team in half the games he starts. Is that a glorious scenario? Nope. Is it a practical one? Yep. Seems to me they’ve left the glory spots to Franklin, Meche, and Pineiro. Those are the guys who need to show that they have ‘it’. Sele has been there, done that. Now he’s playing out his role from the back seat. Its time for the kids to chest up.
Don’t know how I’d missed him but let’s recommend leaving the dust on.
Great time at first trip to ballpark though since last season. Go M’s.
The problem’s not having Aaron Sele as your 5th starter- as the 2002 and 2004 Angels can attest, you can live with him as your 5.
The problem is that the upper-tier starters aren’t much better. As an example, Jamie Moyer has allowed over a .300 opponent batting average since the ASB last year, for instance, while averaging just over 5 IP a start, and an ERA in the 6’s. The end result is someone who hasn’t pitched any better in aggregate than Sele has for a while.
Multiply by Piniero, Meche and Franklin and you see the problem in sharp relief.