Game 64, Phillies at Mariners
peter · June 16, 2005 at 7:04 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Brett Myers (2.24 ERA in 88 IP) and Joel Pineiro (6.20 ERA in 61 IP).
Myers 32.7 VORP is 6th among all major league starters, better than Johan Santana or Jake Peavy.
I won’t mention the “S” word, but bigger miracles have happened.
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I’m just happy the Pils are using the worst of their pen and keeping Wagner for a save. I suppose you can argue that it makes sense if Wagner can absolutely only go one inning, but I like it for the Mariners.
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I might be reading it wrong and I think it did. I believe it is the expected runs you woudl score for the inning if that is the current situation. So I guess I might be assuming wrong that if you have a chance to score more runs, the probability of scoring a run is also higher. I dunno, I just never like bunting it over, ya it works, but I would rather put in a speedster off the bench who can steal at above a 85% clip and get the base for free.
Why is Eddie only good for 13 pitches?
That noise you just heard from Arkansas?
It sure as hell wasn’t me calling the Hogs, I can tell you that.
152: Because he’s a closer. Closers only go one inning.
Sigh….I’m sick of dumb bullpen usage.
i hope richie uses his sand wedge this time.
123- the may 18th game vs the Yanks was pretty sweet…
If this game ends up in the left hand of Matt Thornton…..
c’mon sand wedge!!
I can’t believe people are still talking about the game…Dave did just announce that you can give up on ever seeing a dominant Felix in the majors, Campillo was just put on the DL to add insult to injury.
DMZ might very well get to add two names to his list when he gets back from vacation.
Not fun being a pitching fan that follows the M’s.
fit the man for a sombrero
What did Dave just say and what’s this list that DMZ can add to?
Mike! Stop saying such things! You’re scaring the children! Geez!
In order:
Scroll up…
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The Atrition War research project.
Felix Hernandez = Out with “shoulder bursitis” – which is often a generic term for, Hernandez has a shooting pain in his shoulder which could be damn near anything.
DMZ’s list of M’s top pitchers that have had major surgery. Campillo won’t qualify I suppose.
Jeremy (#148): Yes, but the fact that he’s legitimately good– perhaps even an All-Star, as you say– is precisely the argument for trading Guardado. If you trade pricey over-the-hill guys like Boone, you get what you pay for.
After all, the idea of trading isn’t to trade your garbage for somebody else’s hidden diamonds (that’s great if you can do it, but most of the time people won’t be stupid enough to play into your hands like that). Rather, it’s to trade what somebody else needs more than you do, in exchange for something that you need more than they.
Trading your excess pitching for someone else’s excess hitting is one example of this. But another is that, if you’re in rebuilding mode (as the M’s should be at this point) and someone else is in win-now mode, you can trade your present (Guardado, Ibanez, Winn– I cite those three because they’re good players and not overpriced) for someone else’s future, and thus have a legitimate chance of benefitting both teams.
In a pure “challenge trade” (position-for-same-position and time-for-same-time), each side is betting that their judgement of talent is better than the other’s, and it’s a zero-sum game: If one side wins, the other loses. But in a from-strength-to-weakness trade, the net gain to the teams combined will generally be positive, and even if the other team’s judgement happened to be better than yours in this particular instance, you can still conceivably come out of the trade okay.
Um, why exactly will King Felix never be a dominant major league pitcher?
BECAUSE WE’RE DOOMED! Out will come the M’s doctors with their leeches and sharp sticks, and next thing you know; Felix Hernandez will have his arm transplanted to his left buttock.
Seen it a million times.
#165 Paul,
I understand the reasons for trading Guardado and they’re definitely valid.
When it comes to talking Mariners baseball, I’ve been as objective as can be. See my site for the evidence. But in the case of Guardado, I’m biased. What can I say? Everybody has their one guy they don’t want to see leave town.
In other news, this game needs to end soon. Hopefully it will be a Mariner victory. At this point, I don’t know what the hell will happen.
God I hate this strategy. 1 run doesn’t end the game after all.
Shoulder Bursitis? My father got that from stiff arming the swinging door every afternoon rushing out to the carpool. So that means the geniuses in our farm system must have overworked King Felix or given him bad mechanics. (Let’s out a yell resembling Darth Vader’s from Revenge of the Sith.)
Not sure about this call — walking the bases full. In a tie game at home, a one run defecit is possible to match. But I guess Grover would rather risk a blowout to stop a single tally.
Well if they don’t score again I can’t fault the strategy per se.
Hey guys, remember Pokey Reese?
This is the commercial for the long ball, Pokey. We dont steal bases!
I’ve never understood filling the bases to get a force out at any base when you only had one guy on to begin with.
every time that M’s commercial comes up with that guying saying he feels like he could strike out Bret Boone, I think,
Yeah, i bet that guy could.
Oh boy, Willie.
Willie rides to the rescue.
WFB pinch hitting for Hansen? (Let’s out another Darth Vader-like yell.)
Bloomie? Adrian can’t do one AB?
If Willie Bloomquist grounds out and nobody is there to see it, does he still suck?
175 – it makes sense in the bottom of an inning where a run ends the game but not in the top.
when did Breckin Meyer sign with the M’s?
Hey, I might be an idiot, but it’s Jorge Campillo who is injured . . . correct? Felix Hernandez is stil healthy . . . right?
Is anyone else disturbed by the commercial showing Eddie looking overhead at a towering home run? I think that shows low esteem and is insulting to him and the team. Especially since he is smiling afterwards.
#183 Dave In Minnie,
When his career washed up after “Road Trip” and “Inside Schwartz”
Yeah Morse.
#184- he is for now
but i damn sure hope you are currently knocking on wood
Wow.
Rick Rizzs is slipping.
THIS TEAM NEVER QUITS!
(I have lost it. This game is just tiring me out big time.)
Rick Rizzs is slipping.
THIS TEAM NEVER QUITS!
(I have lost it. This game is just tiring me out big time.)
Doh! I wasn’t trying to post that twice.
OK, now Morse can hit 101mph fastballs? I’m naturally skeptical, but at what point do I put that away and start thinking this guy might be for real? I guess I’ll wait for the end of the season, but… damn.
They’re BOTH injured. Hows that for a slap to the face? Kind of like Nageotte becoming a parapalegic and Blackley having his shoulder rebuilt back-to-back. Or…that time Meche and Anderson both went down!
If Rivera catches hold of one, I’ll write in he and Morse on my All-Star ballot.
So wait, what’s wrong w/ Hernandez then?
Struck out looking. Niiiiiiice.
Typical bursitis: Can’t lift arm above head without a good deal of pain. No big deal if you’re a softball pitcher.
Just shut Felix down…or schedule his labrum surgery….God.