Many more moves, from TNT
DMZ · August 2, 2005 at 9:30 am · Filed Under Mariners
Corey Brock of the Tacoma News Tribune’s got the scoop on more moves on the way, most of which we’ve* mentioned here:
- Jeff Harris up
- Dave Hansen out
- Chris Snelling up
- Scott Spiezio out
- Greg Dobbs up
- Pineiro down
- Hasegawa out
- Masao Kida (!)(?) up
The News Tribune and the Post-Intelligencer have both absolutely eaten the Times’ lunch over the last month for Mariner coverage.
Masao Kida? Really?
* and when I say “we” I mean “Dave”
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#49, I wondered the same thing. Possibly the latin summer leagues count as years in the minors. If so does that affect someone like Asdrubal Cabrera. Historically teams don’t put their top prospects on the 40 man until they have to.
The 40-man clock starts ticking from the year that your contract is signed. So, if you sign a 2005 contract, that’s when you were part of the club, no matter if you sit at home and play nintendo or are assigned to Double-A.
#52 thanks for the explanation,
I think there is also an age criteria where player signed at a certain age need to go onto the 40 after 3 years to protect them (mostly affects college players, seem to remember this with Heaverlo and Bloomquist)
What possible explanation could there be to choose Kida over Nageotte??!!! That pisses me off. What the &%*^)(#!!
About Dobbs:
I hate the move too. However, the last time I looked he was hitting about .330 in Tacoma. Anybody know if that’s with any power? Even if so, chances of that indicating a real change in his hitting approach (and hence being sustainable) are approximately nil, I would guess.
There is no need to purchase Masao Kida’s contract . . . if the M’s plan to go in that direction, then they might as well keep Shigetoshi Hasegawa; as it is, Clint Nageotte should get the call. Also, why Greg Dobbs? Look, he had his chance, so the M’s ought to bring up Justin Leone, who is deserving of a shot. Besides, Dobbs can get some playing time come September, which is only a month away.
TACOMA NEWS TRIBUNE (#35 & # 44) – An analogy may be made with the Worcester TELEGRAM & GAZETTE. Worcester, 30 miles west of Boston, used to be thought of as a distant city; but it’s now thought of as a suburb of Boston. And, for many readers, their sports pages are considered to be the equal of the sports pages of the Boston newspapers.
The same with Tacoma. Many people no longer think of it as a city distant from Seattle, but tend to view it as a Seattle suburb; and to view TNT’s sports pages as the equal of the Seattle newspapers’ sports pages. IMO, they are.
Why is everyone outraged that Nageotte isn’t coming up, but no one cares that Lopez is staying in Tacoma?
For some players, their development will be assisted more by facing PCL competition than major league competition. There’s a legitimate case to be made that Nageotte is in that group.
Here is a possible explination for no Nageotte. They know if he comes up to the bigs he won’t get many innings. He is recovering from an injury and they want him to get back to top form. So they rather him be the best at AAA rather than a mop up in the bigs. So he continue to works on his arm for the next couple months and is with the club in 2006 – I have no problem with that.
Re: Dobbs
I did see the game at Cheney Stadium that Felix started the other night. Dobbs hit an HR in that game. But his defense, at least on one play at 1B, wasn’t too great.
I agree Dave. I think Nags might be best served stretching out his innings in Tacoma to see if he can return as a starter. Man we need starters!
Lopez should be on the big league club.
I think this callup is the result of a typo. Bavasi said, bring up the kida, but he meant “kids.” The a and the s being right next to each other on the keyboard, it’s an understandable mistake.
I just don’t see Nageotte as a starter. He looks like a young Nellie to me (unhittable slider, fastball not well located).
Harris deserves his chance but Kida doesn’t. A 36 year old reliever who only closed at Tacoma because Sherrill was hurt.
Do the M’s get a roster spot for Franklin for the next 10 days or are they playing short handed?
Interesting discussion…..which is why USS Mariner is the best Mariner Blog. I agree completely that the Times sucks, and that Blethens desire to repeal the estate tax has clouded the objectivity one should expect from a major newspaper. The TNT sports section rocks.
I am in favor of the promotion of Jeff Harris. My reasoning is that Mariners have been so bad for two years they should be looking under rocks to find the one or two guys who might help them become a respectable team. A reminder that both George Sherrill and Bobby Madritsch were plucked from the Independent League. I am still concerned that Bavasi talks about the prospects acquired as if it is all one big crap shoot….who knows whether anyone will work out….but this is the same guy who signed Aurelia, Sandfrog, Hansen, and McCracken to the major league roster. Can the M’s properly evaluate talent at either the major or minor league levels? Given the lack of players on the current roster who came up through the ranks, and the fact that the same people have been in the loop for many many years the answer is either no, or at best maybe.
Take a look at any of the A’s Blogs. Their fans are going ape over the comparisons to the 1914 miracle Braves, but even more importantly they have faith that Billy Beane can evaluate talent, and that he is busting his ass to make the A’s competitive. If only M’s fans could believe that our front office has comparable ability.
I agree, I don’t really want to see him sweating all over the place while he walks a couple of batters.
Hopefully, he’ll continue to do well in the minors and eventually have enough command to be successful at the major league level.
I think Bavasi is right about prospects being a crapshoot. Triple A rosters are full of former #1 prospects who were untouchable at one time. I think Bill is being very honest.
I used to skip over Steve Kelley’s columns in the Times, but now I’ve made a sport out of it. I read up until the first metaphor, simile, or pop culture reference. From his most recent column, on the trade deadline (paragraph 5):
“This last day in July felt a lot like last year’s last day in July. Broken promises were scattered over Safeco Field like so many shards of glass.”
Anybody see Gilmore pitch for Everett on Sunday? The boxscore shows 5.0 inn, 5 hits, 2 ER, 8 SO’s, 0 BB’s. This guy hasn’t had a bad performance yet. 28 SO’s, 3 BB’s in 22.2 inn’s so far.
Dave/Anyone,
I like the arms we are starting to stock for our bullpen. I think Bavasi has a love for hardthrowers which will be nice to see in the Pen.
My question is what rumors/thoughts does anyone have about what might be available via trade this offseason for SP. Possibly Pavano, J. Schmidt any others? Thoughts. We need a legit #1 and outside of Burnett (if he is a #1) what might we see in Safeco.
So where will room get made for Felix? It looks like anyone who will get dumped is getting dumped in those 8 moves. Meche to DL? I guess he could be added to the 40 man once Spiezio or Hansen gets booted.
70: Shiggy Hasegawa is being waived, I believe.
Homegrown pitchers versus the indy guys 3 indy guys 5 drafted guys on th ml team..Alot of money to not much oh why did we push kerfild away.I sit hear everytime i think about this subject and shake my head.From good sources i hear there pro scouting director ken something was afraid of him because he was not afraid to speak his opinion on a player.I thought thats what a scout does!!!!
Ick! Threads like this are why I avoid these sorts of forums as a rule.
Is EVERY thread going to be “fans” bitching about players generally doing their very best to win? I don’t complain a tenth as much about the front office, even to myself, and they’re the ones who have assembled this crowd.
If it’s “all in fun” then fergawdsakes pitch your tents far from mine: I’m here to enjoy the game on the field.
#49-53 – with regards to Balentien being on the 40-man roster, there is another possible explanation relating specifically to the type of visa he is on. Over the last couple years, the cap on the particular visa that the minor leaguers come over on has been reached really early, preventing any foreign players (including Canadians) from coming over to play after the cap was reached. (there was just a story in one of the Seattle papers about a drafted Canadian player who had to sit the whole summer out because he couldn’t come till late fall, when the visa cap starts all over from 0).
But when a player is on the 40-man roster, he is eligible for a different type of visa – the P-1 (professional athlete, artist, etc.)- and there are no caps on that visa, but the documentation required from MLB is that the player is officially at the highest level of competition (i.e., the 40man roster).
Nageotte has only been pitching for, what?, three weeks, having missed all of the year to that point rehabilitating his back. Now, he’s pitching well, but. Two-four weeks more in Aromaville are reallistically in both his and the big league team’s best interest.
Kida started the year just terribly, but over the last four-five weeks he’s been effective in his role. He’s no better than Shiggy, if that, but he’s a serviceable arm for a few days who can easily be sent back to the minors, not an option for Shiggy. Calling him up has purpose, and is not a bad move—as long as he’s only on the roster for a few days at a time as an emergency option. In fact, it makes more sense to shuttle Kida than to bounce Nageotte around, no?
Pinero to AAA: Hmmm. I’d been thinking that putting him at the end of the bench to throw long relief and garbage time for awhile might be best, but there’s no good choice, really. The only thing certain is that Joel has _got_ to come out of the rotation. He’s just throwing terribly. Sunday’s start was, flatly, not a major league performance, and I don’t say that to beat up on Joel, it seems clear that he’s trying.
. . . I guess the idea is to keep starting him every five days, and pray _harder_. But there’s less crockery to get broken in Tacoma, so.
I’ve written Joel off completely for this year. Whether he recovers further from his arm injury next year or not is a fair question. Elbow issues often take two years for command to return. But the next time I’m going to think seriously about Joel is either when he’s sent out of the organization (if he is), or in Spring Training ’06.