Game 123, Mariners at Twins
JMB · August 21, 2005 at 11:05 am · Filed Under Mariners
RHP Joel Pineiro vs. RHP Brad Radke, 11:10am, KSTW and KOMO.
Last night, Ron Fairly mentioned that Hargrove said Bloomquist would get the day off today, but followed up with something like, “But if he gets two or three hits tonight, don’t be surprised if he changes his mind.” Sure enough, fresh off his 3-for-4 night, Wee Willie is back out there for the umpteenth consecutive game.
RF Ichiro
2B The Ignitor
LF Ibanez
1B Sexson
3B Beltre
CF Reed
“DH” Dobbs
SS Betancourt
C JoeJessica
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265 Responses to “Game 123, Mariners at Twins”
I certainly see your point, though, JakeT. And I agree, except that it’s really not even worth talking about since he’s such a special case (as Josh mentioned).
jason
JEREMY REED and THE INCREDIBLE FAN BASE (# 244) – I agree that September is a poor time to evaluate talent, but so is the first year of one’s MLB career. Some of the HOF members (such as Ed Delahanty and Rod Carew) were not very good at the beginning, but their organizations were able to see their potential, and stuck with them. (I wouldn’t give up on Reed just yet.)
I agree with your assessment of SAFECO FIELD attendance. When Howard Lincoln says, “We have the best fans in baseball.”, we can take that to mean, “We have the most gullible fans in baseball.”
The team is only two stud pitchers and 4 or 5 stud hitters away from contention. How much payroll do the M’s theoretically have to play with this offseason? It’d have to be close to 50 million to make much difference, wouldn’t it?
Failing that, go spend 25 million on international prospects and leave the free agents for others to fight over.
M’s in 2007! Go team!
Sigh.
Can we please get back to 2001?
Anyways, when I think about Seattle’s rebuilding process, I think about Cleveland and what their doin’ right now.
2003: 68-94
2004: 80-82
2005: Within one game of Wild Card spot but probably won’t make the postseason this year.
Compare that to the M’s:
2004: 63-99=Were Screwed Year
2005: It will be around 72-75 wins
Theory, it probably is gonna end up taking Cleveland 2 full seasons to be a playoff team again since the end of their garage sale in 2003. They could easily make it this year, but we’ll see.
But that’s what Seattle will be probably do if they continue to bring up people from Tacoma that do OK, and the front office gets 1-2 legitimate free agents each year. If this is the case, the team probably would be around .500 in 2006, 2007 you’re looking at possibly competing for a Wild Card spot, and 2008, you really start to look at playoffs. Sad, I know. But that’s the way rebuilding works in baseball. It takes a while.
The point I’m trying to make is to be patient with this. Lincoln, Armstrong, and all them are obviously now learning that they’re all boobs for not listening to Lou and Gillick by getting players. But better late than never, I guess.
But we’ll see.
If only Howard listened to Pinella. Things would be way different right now.
The team is only two stud pitchers and 4 or 5 stud hitters away from contention.If only Howard listened to Pinella. Things would be way different right now.
You mean we’d have a World Championship team in the past and still suck now?
Lou has had nothing to do with the farm system sucking ass the last few years. That, more than anything else, is why we’re a bad team right now. The good players have all gotten old, and the young pitchers have all gone south.
Lou has had nothing to do with the farm system sucking ass the last few years. That, more than anything else, is why we’re a bad team right now. The good players have all gotten old, and the young pitchers have all gone south.
Repeat that, because it obviously hasn’t sunk in.
Wish people would pay attention to that (and note who’s reponsible for that [and it AIN’T Bavasi]). And anybody who’s talking about Bob Melvin Jr. obviously hasn’t noticed that Melvin has improved his team A HELL OF A LOT MORE than Grover has. Grover has his own problem, but it sure hasn’t got anything to do with being taciturn and calm on the bench.
#255: I’m not talking about the Farm System! Obviously that’s not Pinella’s job. I’m talking about if Lincoln took the time to get new players in here like Pinella requested. Then the team wouldn’t be in the hole they are in right now. They would’ve made trades, signed free agents, and there wouldn’t have been as much of a need for minor leaguers.
That’s what I’m talking about.
If the Mariners had just acted like a big market team with all that revenue they’ve poured in since SAFECO Field opened, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
And there wouldn’t be the need to rush these minor leaguers up which I think is one of the reasons why some of these guys suck so bad at the big league level. Some of these guys come up when their not really ready. I.E. Jose Lopez. Even though they’re capable of being good, solid ball players.
For example, if Lincoln had spent money on pitching a couple years ago, maybe you could’ve sent Meche and Pineiro down to Tacoma until they were truly ready to come up. But because he didn’t, he and the M’s have no choice but to pitch them every 5th day. It’s just that simple.
If they had listened to Pinella and made the moves he wanted this team to make at any given time, chances are, this team would either be good right now, or aproximately a year away from being good instead of being possibly 3 years away like they are now.
Think it through here.
“Lou has had nothing to do with the farm system sucking ass the last few years.”
I beg to differ that our farm system has sucked the last few years, the following below are just a few players brought in by Mariner scouts. There are still Adam Jones, Betancourt, Jose Lopez, Felix Hernandez to name a few good farm players. Benny Looper is still the guy in charge back then and now. Last I checked managers don’t scout and sign players. If you grow tired of Sweet Lou talk then you have missed out on a great future HOF manager.
Mike Wilson (18) homeruns for Wisconsin. First baseman Marshall Hubbard has (15) homeruns this season for Wisconsin. First baseman Bryan Lahair has (22) homeruns and outfielder Wladimir Balentien has (23) bombs so far in Inland Empire. First baseman Jesse Hoorelbeke of San Antonio has (19) homeruns.
I agree with Tom. Sweet Lou had more to do with 2001 than people realize. Lou understood that Podsednik and Ichiro didn’t offer the power he wanted originally in the outfield.
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A great player does not a home run make. Or even 23.
Lou understood that Podsednik and Ichiro didn’t offer the power he wanted originally in the outfield.
Um… what?
Hate the DH, dancing ground crews, and designer beers. Give me a Pabst Blue Ribbon anyday.
Um, pointing to the lower levels of the farm system as evidence of the historical productivity of the Ms doesn’t make a lot of sense. It actually points out the barreness of the system, since few of the players are playing right now at the major leagues, and the ones that ARE ready are being rushed up, possibly before their time.
Gillick has said that he was given the money by ownership to make a mid-season move, he just didn’t find a deal to make. so, unless we think Gillick is lying, it sounds like it was more Gillick’s traditional reluctance to trade, and not Lincoln ‘not listening’
so, just what fiery manager should become the third manager in three years?
They would’ve made trades, signed free agents, and there wouldn’t have been as much of a need for minor leaguers.
You mean like how we’ve traded players and signed free agents while spending 80-90 million the last few years while sucking ass?
In fact, signing free agents is part of why the farm system sucks- we’ve been punting high round draft picks (the draftees most likely to pay off) to bring in the McLemores and Spiezios of the world.
And guys, the last products of our farm system who played more than a season as a regular in our uniform are A-Rod and Darren Bragg. How exactly does Lou still being here help that- considering that he was around when Ibañez and Podsednik were Mariners coming up through the farm system? Has he been able to turn Tampa around?