The Attrition War, Reds
Part of a continuing series, follow-ups to the initial post detailing the Mariners history over the same period.
Do the Mariners, in comparison to other teams, suffer a higher rate of injury to their pitching prospects than other teams? Here, I look at the Reds.
Please note that I am trying to refrain from drawing any conclusions or making any comparisons, guessing at causes or relationships, or doing anything but presenting straight data. When the series is finished, I’ll have a summary post where I talk about those things.
In every organization so far there have been are several cases where those stats seem to ignore something important. I’m going at attempt to address those in the summary post, as well as methodology and thoughts on future research directions.
The Reds had 25 pitchers who appeared at least once on a Baseball America Top Ten prospect list from 1995-2004.
Of those 25, pitchers who injured their elbow and required surgery: 2 (Dumatrait, Williamson)
Of those 25, pitchers who injured their shoulders and required surgery: 7 (Aramboles, Basham, Crowell, Gruler, Hall, Howington, Winchester)
(generally, I’m looking for major surgeries that require ~1y off)
Unknowns and weird disappearances: Pedro Minaya
Barely missed counting: 0
Contributions welcome!
Readers are, as always, encouraged to to add/correct information here in the comments or by email. Resolving unknowns and citations are particularly welcome.
Detailed data
Ricardo Aramboles, 4/2002, 7/2003
Labrum surgery in APril 2003.
Bobby Basham, 2/2003
Labrum surgery in May 2004. Pitching in the minors.
Rob Bell, 1/1999
Debuted in 200. Traded to the Rangers in June 2001 for Ruben Mateo.
Buddy Carlyle, 8/1998
Traded to the Padres in April 1998 for Marc Kroon.
Brandon Claussen, 3/2004
Pitching in the majors.
Jim Crowell, 2/1998
Debuted in 1997. Rotator cuff surgery in late 1998, date unclear. Released by the Reds in July 2000.
Phil Dumatrait, 6/2004
Elbow ligament replacement surgery in April 2004.
Chad Fox, 10/1996
Traded to the Braves in January 1996 for Mike Kelly.
Chris Gruler, 1/2003, 9/2004
Rotator cuff surgery April 2004. Rotator cuff surgery in May 2005.
Josh Hall, 9/2003
Rotator cuff surgery September 2003. Shoulder surgery in July 2004 to remove scar tissue (did not miss a year). Unknown major shoulder surgery in 1999.
Ty Howington, 4/2000, 6/2001, 2/2002, 6/2003, 10/2004
Labrum surgery in May 2004. Shoulder surgery to “loosen” shoulder April 2005
Kevin Jarvis, 4/1995
Claimed off waivers by the Tigers in May 1997 (then the Twins, a week later, then the Tigers a month after that, then released by the Tigers that off-season to sign with the Reds again).
Curt Lyons, 4/1997
Traded to the Cubs in March 1997 for Ozzie Timmons.
Pedro Minaya, 9/1999
Unknown. Injury seems likely. Last sighted pitching in the Indies in 2003.
Dustin Moseley, 7/2001, 5/2002, 5/2003, 4/2004
Traded to the Angels in December 2004 for Ramon Ortiz.
C.J. Nitkowski, 3/1995
Traded to the Tigers in July 1995 as part of the Davis Wells dea.
Tyler Pelland, 8/2004
Pitching in the minors.
John Riedling, 9/2001
Reds did not offer him a contract in the 2004 off-season. Signed with the Marlins.
Chris Reitsma, 10/2001
Traded to the Braves in March 2004 as part of the Jung Bong deal.
Jacobo Sequea, 10/1999
Traded to Baltimore in 1999, transaction unknown.
Scott Sullivan, 5/1995, 8/1997
Traded to the White Sox in August 2003 for a PTBNL.
Brett Tomko, 5/1996, 1/1997
Traded to the Mariners in February 2000 as part of the Ken Griffey, Jr deal.
Ryan Wagner, 1/2004
Starting to have shoulder problems.
Scott Williamson, 3/1999
ELbow ligament replacement surgery in April 2001. Traded to the Red Sox in July 2003.
Scott Winchester, 5/1998
Rotator cuff surgery in August 1999. Appears to have been given his release in late 2001.
Comments
One Response to “The Attrition War, Reds”
Hi, I just posted a followup to your Attrition War post, relating it to the Reds.
You can find that here:
http://www.redreporter.com/story/2005/9/9/145553/9887
Here are a couple of things that I noticed:
Rob Bell was also traded for Edwin Encarnacion. Not a big deal really, but he’s probably the biggest player from that trade anymore.
The Reds look even worse when you realize that Dustin Moseley has been shut down for the year with the Angels. If he misses a year I’m not sure if he’d be a black mark against Cincinnati or LA-Anaheim, but regardless it’s another bad sign for the Reds system.
Excellent work, I’ve enjoyed reading it very much!