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		<title>By: Matthew Carruth</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/01/03/jeff-and-derek-discuss-the-2005-offseason/comment-page-3/#comment-85397</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Matthew, why do you think good K rates that â€œcome from nowhereâ€ are a fluke?&quot; 

Well, to be technical, I never said they WERE a fluke. I said they LOOK flukey. And you asnwered your own question. By definition, something that comes from nowhere is a fluke.

&quot;I thought striking people out was a repeatable skill. Also, Lackeyâ€™s always had good K ratesâ€¦ better than any Mariner other than Felix.&quot;

It is. He&#039;s always had slightly above average K rates, not good K rates. He&#039;d been low to mid 6s the previous 3 years in MLB and his MiL K rates never got higher than 7.2. Everything in his numbers paints him as a low to mid 6 K guy which is what he was for 3 years and then he suddenly posts an 8.2 K rate last year. That looks flukey. I don&#039;t know how to explain it any clearer. The last part of your statement is completely irrelevant.

&quot;And his K/BB have consistently been better than 2.5/1. Thatâ€™s quiteâ€¦ again, better than everyone on the Ms staff other than Felix. Lackeyâ€™s a good pitcherâ€¦ one of the best in the AL last year in fact.&quot;

I never said he wasn&#039;t. I said he would likely regress. Most likely his K rates go back to the level he established with his first 1000 or so IP and his ERA climbs back to the low to mid 4 range.

&quot;Anyway, this is silly. When one of us has the time and effort to pick a real methodology to back up our conclusions, we should pick up the debate. Probably the easiest will be to wait for PECOTAsâ€™s to come out. Until then, weâ€™re wasting space.&quot;

I can&#039;t speak for you, but I feel comfortable with my method of player evaluation and feel that I&#039;ve quite explicitly stated why I feel what I do about each player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Matthew, why do you think good K rates that â€œcome from nowhereâ€ are a fluke?&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, to be technical, I never said they WERE a fluke. I said they LOOK flukey. And you asnwered your own question. By definition, something that comes from nowhere is a fluke.</p>
<p>&#8220;I thought striking people out was a repeatable skill. Also, Lackeyâ€™s always had good K ratesâ€¦ better than any Mariner other than Felix.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is. He&#8217;s always had slightly above average K rates, not good K rates. He&#8217;d been low to mid 6s the previous 3 years in MLB and his MiL K rates never got higher than 7.2. Everything in his numbers paints him as a low to mid 6 K guy which is what he was for 3 years and then he suddenly posts an 8.2 K rate last year. That looks flukey. I don&#8217;t know how to explain it any clearer. The last part of your statement is completely irrelevant.</p>
<p>&#8220;And his K/BB have consistently been better than 2.5/1. Thatâ€™s quiteâ€¦ again, better than everyone on the Ms staff other than Felix. Lackeyâ€™s a good pitcherâ€¦ one of the best in the AL last year in fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>I never said he wasn&#8217;t. I said he would likely regress. Most likely his K rates go back to the level he established with his first 1000 or so IP and his ERA climbs back to the low to mid 4 range.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyway, this is silly. When one of us has the time and effort to pick a real methodology to back up our conclusions, we should pick up the debate. Probably the easiest will be to wait for PECOTAsâ€™s to come out. Until then, weâ€™re wasting space.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for you, but I feel comfortable with my method of player evaluation and feel that I&#8217;ve quite explicitly stated why I feel what I do about each player.</p>
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		<title>By: terrybenish</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrybenish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lopez is not a good infielder, Dave has done a far more eloquent
job of describing that.  Betancourt makes him look far better
than he is...

Johjima will be an upgrade.  It is a difficult thing
to be successful at both aspects of his game immediately
given the adjustment required by him to play here.  I would
suspect that his bad will lag his defensive progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lopez is not a good infielder, Dave has done a far more eloquent<br />
job of describing that.  Betancourt makes him look far better<br />
than he is&#8230;</p>
<p>Johjima will be an upgrade.  It is a difficult thing<br />
to be successful at both aspects of his game immediately<br />
given the adjustment required by him to play here.  I would<br />
suspect that his bad will lag his defensive progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/01/03/jeff-and-derek-discuss-the-2005-offseason/comment-page-3/#comment-85348</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff and Derek, you make a fair point about Bavasi not sacrificing the long term for the short term.  The M&#039;s have only five players with guaranteed contracts beyond this season:  Beltre ($11.5 million per year through 2009), Ichiro ($9.5 m/2007), Johjima ($5.2 m/2008), Sexson ($14m/2008), and Washburn ($9.3 m/2009).  Obviously, one of these contracts does not look like the others.  Setting aside the indefensible Washburn signing, the remaining contracts are for two elite talents (Beltre and Ichiro) albeit ones who played below their talent in 2005, a good hitter (Sexson) capable of great seasons, and a relatively unknown catcher (Johjima) who projects as at least a solid major leaguer.  Bavasi&#039;s bad moves this offseason may cost him his job, but at the very least, the team has financial flexibility and an improved minor league system going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff and Derek, you make a fair point about Bavasi not sacrificing the long term for the short term.  The M&#8217;s have only five players with guaranteed contracts beyond this season:  Beltre ($11.5 million per year through 2009), Ichiro ($9.5 m/2007), Johjima ($5.2 m/2008), Sexson ($14m/2008), and Washburn ($9.3 m/2009).  Obviously, one of these contracts does not look like the others.  Setting aside the indefensible Washburn signing, the remaining contracts are for two elite talents (Beltre and Ichiro) albeit ones who played below their talent in 2005, a good hitter (Sexson) capable of great seasons, and a relatively unknown catcher (Johjima) who projects as at least a solid major leaguer.  Bavasi&#8217;s bad moves this offseason may cost him his job, but at the very least, the team has financial flexibility and an improved minor league system going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: joealb</title>
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		<dc:creator>joealb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beltre will be 27 on April 7th and this will be his 9th year in the majors if you include a 195 A/B in 77 games when he was 19.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beltre will be 27 on April 7th and this will be his 9th year in the majors if you include a 195 A/B in 77 games when he was 19.</p>
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		<title>By: CCW</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, why do you think good K rates that &quot;come from nowhere&quot; are a fluke?  I thought striking people out was a repeatable skill.  Also, Lackey&#039;s always had good K rates... better than any Mariner other than Felix.  And his K/BB have consistently been better than 2.5/1.  That&#039;s quite... again, better than everyone on the Ms staff other than Felix.  Lackey&#039;s a good pitcher... one of the best in the AL last year in fact.

Anyway, this is silly.  When one of us has the time and effort to pick a real methodology to back up our conclusions, we should pick up the debate.  Probably the easiest will be to wait for PECOTAs&#039;s to come out.  Until then, we&#039;re wasting space.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, why do you think good K rates that &#8220;come from nowhere&#8221; are a fluke?  I thought striking people out was a repeatable skill.  Also, Lackey&#8217;s always had good K rates&#8230; better than any Mariner other than Felix.  And his K/BB have consistently been better than 2.5/1.  That&#8217;s quite&#8230; again, better than everyone on the Ms staff other than Felix.  Lackey&#8217;s a good pitcher&#8230; one of the best in the AL last year in fact.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is silly.  When one of us has the time and effort to pick a real methodology to back up our conclusions, we should pick up the debate.  Probably the easiest will be to wait for PECOTAs&#8217;s to come out.  Until then, we&#8217;re wasting space.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Carruth</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/01/03/jeff-and-derek-discuss-the-2005-offseason/comment-page-3/#comment-85340</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and that relates to Reed, Lopez, and Betancourt how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and that relates to Reed, Lopez, and Betancourt how?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Egaas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Egaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Beltre like 27 and spending his 6th or 7th year in the majors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Beltre like 27 and spending his 6th or 7th year in the majors?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Carruth</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/01/03/jeff-and-derek-discuss-the-2005-offseason/comment-page-3/#comment-85338</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 07:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCW, I was the one who said Lackey&#039;s K rate was flukey and I gave the reason why I said it.

Furthermore, Escobar has had constant arm problems. Ervin Santana is nowhere near the type of pitcher most people think he is. And Carrasco is a joke. First of all, he&#039;s 36 and has made 6 career starts. Next, the last time this guy had an ERA under 4.25 was 1997 and it was in the NL. Next, he had his great year in Washington, mayhaps the best pitching park in the world. Finally, his periphs were not radically different than ever as shown by his 4.32 xFIP. Comparing him to 3/5 of the Ms rotation is a joke.

and pslim has it right about Texas. A HUGE reason for their offense being so scary is the ballpark. Take a look at Teixiera&#039;s splits. Also, Blalock is not a good hitter. Furthermore, their rotation is full of more ?s than ours. How will Dominguez and Loe adjust to starting full time? Padilla is bad at giving up HRs. Eaton can&#039;t even post above avg ERAs in Petco.

It&#039;s nowhere near as good as last year&#039;s. Colon and Lackey are due to go backwards, not forwards. They lost Washburn&#039;s 3.20 ERA and &quot;replaced&quot; it with Carrasco. It&#039;s a markedly worse rotation.

As for their breakouts, McPherson&#039;s not more advanced, Kotchman is, and Juan Rivera is, but that&#039;s saying nothing since next year he&#039;ll be 27 and be spending his 6th year in the majors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCW, I was the one who said Lackey&#8217;s K rate was flukey and I gave the reason why I said it.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Escobar has had constant arm problems. Ervin Santana is nowhere near the type of pitcher most people think he is. And Carrasco is a joke. First of all, he&#8217;s 36 and has made 6 career starts. Next, the last time this guy had an ERA under 4.25 was 1997 and it was in the NL. Next, he had his great year in Washington, mayhaps the best pitching park in the world. Finally, his periphs were not radically different than ever as shown by his 4.32 xFIP. Comparing him to 3/5 of the Ms rotation is a joke.</p>
<p>and pslim has it right about Texas. A HUGE reason for their offense being so scary is the ballpark. Take a look at Teixiera&#8217;s splits. Also, Blalock is not a good hitter. Furthermore, their rotation is full of more ?s than ours. How will Dominguez and Loe adjust to starting full time? Padilla is bad at giving up HRs. Eaton can&#8217;t even post above avg ERAs in Petco.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nowhere near as good as last year&#8217;s. Colon and Lackey are due to go backwards, not forwards. They lost Washburn&#8217;s 3.20 ERA and &#8220;replaced&#8221; it with Carrasco. It&#8217;s a markedly worse rotation.</p>
<p>As for their breakouts, McPherson&#8217;s not more advanced, Kotchman is, and Juan Rivera is, but that&#8217;s saying nothing since next year he&#8217;ll be 27 and be spending his 6th year in the majors.</p>
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		<title>By: JI</title>
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		<dc:creator>JI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now off the top of my head I have the division pegged at:

Oakland 98 wins
Anaheim 89 wins
Texas 84 wins
Seattle 73 wins

Oakland&#039;s pitching is potentially devastating if Harden can remain healthy, while they may not be suited to go far in the playoffs (unless Johnson, Swisher and Crosby take big steps forward and they can keep Payton from getting too many at bats), their pitching depth could give them a hundred wins. 

Nothing short of a complete miracle gets the M&#039;s over .500 and into the hunt. By, miracle I mean the following

-Moyer posting an ERA under five 
-Beltre having an OPS of at least 8 and a half 
-Reed hitting .300
-Carl Everett not getting DFAed by July 
-Betancourt hitting league average clip
-Jose Lopez drawing more than one walk per payday
-a) Jarrod Washburn has not exhausted his supply of magic beans.
 b) Jarrod Washburn is still in favor with the clutch pitching Gods.  

*Since Sexson&#039;s contract is heavily backloaded, and since many contenders (NYY, BOS, CLE, ANA, ATL) could be in the market for a hard hitting firstbaseman, wouldn&#039;t it make sense to deal Sexson in July if the price was right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now off the top of my head I have the division pegged at:</p>
<p>Oakland 98 wins<br />
Anaheim 89 wins<br />
Texas 84 wins<br />
Seattle 73 wins</p>
<p>Oakland&#8217;s pitching is potentially devastating if Harden can remain healthy, while they may not be suited to go far in the playoffs (unless Johnson, Swisher and Crosby take big steps forward and they can keep Payton from getting too many at bats), their pitching depth could give them a hundred wins. </p>
<p>Nothing short of a complete miracle gets the M&#8217;s over .500 and into the hunt. By, miracle I mean the following</p>
<p>-Moyer posting an ERA under five<br />
-Beltre having an OPS of at least 8 and a half<br />
-Reed hitting .300<br />
-Carl Everett not getting DFAed by July<br />
-Betancourt hitting league average clip<br />
-Jose Lopez drawing more than one walk per payday<br />
-a) Jarrod Washburn has not exhausted his supply of magic beans.<br />
 b) Jarrod Washburn is still in favor with the clutch pitching Gods.  </p>
<p>*Since Sexson&#8217;s contract is heavily backloaded, and since many contenders (NYY, BOS, CLE, ANA, ATL) could be in the market for a hard hitting firstbaseman, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to deal Sexson in July if the price was right?</p>
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		<title>By: pslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The odd thing about Texas&#039; scary lineup:

I&#039;d rather have Ichiro than Wilkerson as my RF
I&#039;d rather have Reed than Matthews as my CF 
I&#039;d rather have Johjima than Barajas at catcher
I&#039;d rather have Beltre than Blalock at 3B

Lopez and Kinsler are close enough at 2B
Sexson and Teixeira are close enough at 1B
Mench and Ibanez are close enough in LF

I&#039;d rather have Dellucci than Everett
I&#039;d rather have Young than Betancourt

Texas has a distinct edge over Seattle at DH and SS, and that&#039;s it really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odd thing about Texas&#8217; scary lineup:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have Ichiro than Wilkerson as my RF<br />
I&#8217;d rather have Reed than Matthews as my CF<br />
I&#8217;d rather have Johjima than Barajas at catcher<br />
I&#8217;d rather have Beltre than Blalock at 3B</p>
<p>Lopez and Kinsler are close enough at 2B<br />
Sexson and Teixeira are close enough at 1B<br />
Mench and Ibanez are close enough in LF</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have Dellucci than Everett<br />
I&#8217;d rather have Young than Betancourt</p>
<p>Texas has a distinct edge over Seattle at DH and SS, and that&#8217;s it really.</p>
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