Comments on: Felix Worship, circa 2006, Part 1 of Many http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:55:27 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rusty http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88973 Rusty Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:04:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88973 Probably a dying thread, and I hope I have the "fair use" doctrine gauged right in the amount of excerpt here from Silver's recent BP column: <i> Because almost any young pitcher who can pitch worth half a damn is going to be hyped to death, there isn’t much in the way of sleeper candidates within this group. Ervin Santana might be an exception, and has a surprisingly good comparables list featuring names like Jake Peavy and Jim Palmer. The other pitcher in this category is <b>Marcos Carvajal</b>, the Rule 5 pick who managed to keep his head afloat while pitching as a 20-year-old in Coors Field. He deserves a purple heart for that, if not a circle around his name. <b>Felix Hernandez</b>, if you’re wondering, rates as the 3rd most valuable pitcher and 9th most valuable player in all of baseball. We’ll get into that and all kinds of other fun stuff when we close out our series next week. </i> A nice thing to say about Carvajal, and of course the lovefest for Felix continues. Probably a dying thread, and I hope I have the “fair use” doctrine gauged right in the amount of excerpt here from Silver’s recent BP column:

Because almost any young pitcher who can pitch worth half a damn is going to be hyped to death, there isn’t much in the way of sleeper candidates within this group. Ervin Santana might be an exception, and has a surprisingly good comparables list featuring names like Jake Peavy and Jim Palmer. The other pitcher in this category is Marcos Carvajal, the Rule 5 pick who managed to keep his head afloat while pitching as a 20-year-old in Coors Field. He deserves a purple heart for that, if not a circle around his name.

Felix Hernandez, if you’re wondering, rates as the 3rd most valuable pitcher and 9th most valuable player in all of baseball. We’ll get into that and all kinds of other fun stuff when we close out our series next week.

A nice thing to say about Carvajal, and of course the lovefest for Felix continues.

]]> By: tacomahal http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88942 tacomahal Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:24:44 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88942 DMZ, apologies for the confusion. The parenthetical remark was in reference to #27's Dave quote on the alledged inaccuracy of the Health Report. But I don't care one way or the other on that (which is why I shouldn't have even addressed it in the first place). My question is simply, what's the deal on Felix throwing sliders? I know you've talked about that topic in the past, and that the M's have said they don't want him throwing sliders. So, just wondering if there's any insight on why he apparently threw them yesterday. Or maybe it's as #34 suggests, that Cameron was simply mistaken on which pitch he saw. DMZ, apologies for the confusion. The parenthetical remark was in reference to #27’s Dave quote on the alledged inaccuracy of the Health Report. But I don’t care one way or the other on that (which is why I shouldn’t have even addressed it in the first place). My question is simply, what’s the deal on Felix throwing sliders? I know you’ve talked about that topic in the past, and that the M’s have said they don’t want him throwing sliders. So, just wondering if there’s any insight on why he apparently threw them yesterday. Or maybe it’s as #34 suggests, that Cameron was simply mistaken on which pitch he saw.

]]> By: Brian Rust http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88930 Brian Rust Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:48:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88930 I seem to recall that Felix's change has enough movement it LOOKS like a slider. Maybe that's what Cameron saw. Wait till he sees the curveball!! I seem to recall that Felix’s change has enough movement it LOOKS like a slider. Maybe that’s what Cameron saw.

Wait till he sees the curveball!!

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88914 DMZ Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:16:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88914 I don't understand how this perceived strained relationship means that... what, a commentor is making up that BP wrote that the team doesn't want him to throw sliders? Because we've talked about that too. Or... I guess I'm confused by that comment. I don’t understand how this perceived strained relationship means that… what, a commentor is making up that BP wrote that the team doesn’t want him to throw sliders? Because we’ve talked about that too.

Or… I guess I’m confused by that comment.

]]> By: tacomahal http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88908 tacomahal Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:00:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88908 #31, that's all well and good (though considering the somewhat strained history between BP and USSMariner, I'd take it with a grain of salt until reading it for yourself), but I think it is accurate that the M's previously indicated they didn't want Felix throwing sliders. So, I'm wondering now if the M's have changed course (possibly because Price is gone) or if Cameron was just incorrect when he said Felix threw him sliders. Or is to NOT correct that the M's limited his throwing of sliders? #31, that’s all well and good (though considering the somewhat strained history between BP and USSMariner, I’d take it with a grain of salt until reading it for yourself), but I think it is accurate that the M’s previously indicated they didn’t want Felix throwing sliders. So, I’m wondering now if the M’s have changed course (possibly because Price is gone) or if Cameron was just incorrect when he said Felix threw him sliders. Or is to NOT correct that the M’s limited his throwing of sliders?

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88905 msb Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:30:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88905 #30, see #27? #30, see #27?

]]> By: tacomahal http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88903 tacomahal Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:23:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88903 #13, and anyone else, as BP points out, the Mariners have so far not allowed Felix to throw sliders. Yet, in today's <a href="http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mariners/story/5563217p-5006402c.html" rel="nofollow">News Tribune</a>, Mike Cameron says, ""That kid is nasty. His first pitch was a fastball, 95-96 mph. Then he threw me a good changeup and two good sliders." Have the Mariners relinquished their no-sliders stand? Or was this a one-time spring training allowance? ANYONE know what the exact deal is here? #13, and anyone else, as BP points out, the Mariners have so far not allowed Felix to throw sliders. Yet, in today’s News Tribune, Mike Cameron says, “”That kid is nasty. His first pitch was a fastball, 95-96 mph. Then he threw me a good changeup and two good sliders.”

Have the Mariners relinquished their no-sliders stand? Or was this a one-time spring training allowance? ANYONE know what the exact deal is here?

]]> By: FrankL http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88875 FrankL Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:27:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88875 I'll be impressed when Felix can strike out the side on eight pitches. Until then, he's just another arm. Dime a dozen. /sarcasm off I’ll be impressed when Felix can strike out the side on eight pitches.

Until then, he’s just another arm. Dime a dozen.

/sarcasm off

]]> By: Jon Wells http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88852 Jon Wells Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:13:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88852 Don't know if anyone else noticed this but the M's had four unsigned players prior to today's game and reached agreement with three of them. The fourth player was Felix and the team RENEWED his contract. This means that the club and the player couldn't agree on a dollar figure so the club is allowed to pay him whatever they like (because the player doesn't have enough service time to go to arbitration). Sure there's plenty of time for them to improve the relationship, but this is not a good sign and sometimes it can be the beginning of what turns out to be a sour relationship between a star player and an organization. It tells me that that the M's have not improved from the petty organization that went year by year with Freddy Garcia and took him to arbitration (and moaned to the press when they lost) rather than offering him a multi-year deal somewhere along the way (and saving a ton of money, like the A's did with Mulder, Hudson and Zito...). Don’t know if anyone else noticed this but the M’s had four unsigned players prior to today’s game and reached agreement with three of them. The fourth player was Felix and the team RENEWED his contract. This means that the club and the player couldn’t agree on a dollar figure so the club is allowed to pay him whatever they like (because the player doesn’t have enough service time to go to arbitration).

Sure there’s plenty of time for them to improve the relationship, but this is not a good sign and sometimes it can be the beginning of what turns out to be a sour relationship between a star player and an organization.

It tells me that that the M’s have not improved from the petty organization that went year by year with Freddy Garcia and took him to arbitration (and moaned to the press when they lost) rather than offering him a multi-year deal somewhere along the way (and saving a ton of money, like the A’s did with Mulder, Hudson and Zito…).

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/comment-page-1/#comment-88842 msb Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:38:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/02/felix-worship-circa-2006-part-1-of-many/#comment-88842 #12-- well, to quote Dave when the BP article was brought up in an earlier post today: "The Team Health Report on the M’s was a landmine of inaccurate information, a lack of knowledge about the team, and a mix of author bias tossed in just for kicks. As an article, it would be do a real nice job of keeping your house warm if you lit it on fire." #12– well, to quote Dave when the BP article was brought up in an earlier post today: “The Team Health Report on the M’s was a landmine of inaccurate information, a lack of knowledge about the team, and a mix of author bias tossed in just for kicks. As an article, it would be do a real nice job of keeping your house warm if you lit it on fire.”

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