Comments on: Friday wheel of fun http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:32:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mat http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88965 Mat Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:26:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88965 Re: Reese MIA Doesn't it seem like there are a larger than normal number of people leaving spring training for weird reasons this year? Off the top of my head, I can think of Grienke, Gagne, and now Reese. Vlad had to leave camp for tragic reasons, and all of that's before we talk about all of the WBC players leaving. Re: Reese MIA

Doesn’t it seem like there are a larger than normal number of people leaving spring training for weird reasons this year? Off the top of my head, I can think of Grienke, Gagne, and now Reese. Vlad had to leave camp for tragic reasons, and all of that’s before we talk about all of the WBC players leaving.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88961 msb Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:45:17 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88961 yeah, because the Mariners are the only team in the world that might possibly play a guy because he is being paid.... yeah, because the Mariners are the only team in the world that might possibly play a guy because he is being paid….

]]> By: colm http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88954 colm Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:43:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88954 When the management puts players on the team solely because of how much they're commited to paying them, you know it's not the players who are the problem. By the same salary-logic King Felix ought to be the 7th man in the bullpen (and Chan Ho Park would be the sixth best pitcher in baseball). When the management puts players on the team solely because of how much they’re commited to paying them, you know it’s not the players who are the problem.

By the same salary-logic King Felix ought to be the 7th man in the bullpen (and Chan Ho Park would be the sixth best pitcher in baseball).

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88950 msb Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:43:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88950 man, that's wierd-- it's apparently been two days "We tried to track him down starting yesterday,'' Beinfest said Friday. "He was playing well. He looked healthy. We were happy with him, and he appeared to be happy. ... We want to make sure he's OK.'' Reese missed a workout Thursday. The team had him in the lineup for Friday's game against Baltimore, but he again failed to show. Beinfest said the team tried to check on Reese at the apartment where he has been staying, but there was no answer at the door. Reese's agent told the team he hadn't heard from his client, Beinfest said." man, that’s wierd– it’s apparently been two days “We tried to track him down starting yesterday,” Beinfest said Friday. “He was playing well. He looked healthy. We were happy with him, and he appeared to be happy. … We want to make sure he’s OK.” Reese missed a workout Thursday. The team had him in the lineup for Friday’s game against Baltimore, but he again failed to show. Beinfest said the team tried to check on Reese at the apartment where he has been staying, but there was no answer at the door. Reese’s agent told the team he hadn’t heard from his client, Beinfest said.”

]]> By: adamt http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88941 adamt Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:01:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88941 http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5378932 Pokey Reese is MIA... <i>"JUPITER, Fla. (AP) - Florida Marlins second baseman Pokey Reese has had no contact with the team since Wednesday, missing a workout and a game, and club officials said they're concerned about him. General manager Larry Beinfest said Reese gave no indication that he was taking time off, and the team has no idea where he might be."</i> http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5378932

Pokey Reese is MIA…

“JUPITER, Fla. (AP) – Florida Marlins second baseman Pokey Reese has had no contact with the team since Wednesday, missing a workout and a game, and club officials said they’re concerned about him.

General manager Larry Beinfest said Reese gave no indication that he was taking time off, and the team has no idea where he might be.”

]]> By: AMarshal2 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88940 AMarshal2 Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:40:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88940 #21, I'm well aware of their reasoning. I like the prospect system they are trying to develop. Still, I think there are some glaring inconsistencies. Weaver- gb%: 30.5% (HiA/AA) pecota: unraked. upside: 26.4 scouting: #23 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 7.2 (AA) Diamond- gb%: 48% (hi-a), 36% (AA) pecota: #47 upside: 34.3 scouting: #31 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 6.7 (AA) Lester- gb%: 48% (AA) pecota: #25 upside: 46.9 scouting: BA #5 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 7.1 (AA) Other factors they mention of importance are L/R splits. I don't have the #'s handy but Lester is almost perfectly even against both where as Weaver's splits are terrible against righties (I have no data for Diamond). Other explanations they have given in chats, etc: "Lester's home park isn't condusive to fly balls" and Diamond's is? "Lester's home park in AA is a very favorable pitchers park." It is actually a slight hitters park by all metrics I have seen. Both Weaver and Diamond are ranked ahead of Lester. I think that is a pretty major inconsistency. Also, I'm not exactly passionate about proving the Dustin Pedroia ranking incorrect, but I don't agree either. They have a good thing going, but it could use some adjustments. #21, I’m well aware of their reasoning. I like the prospect system they are trying to develop. Still, I think there are some glaring inconsistencies.

Weaver- gb%: 30.5% (HiA/AA) pecota: unraked. upside: 26.4 scouting: #23 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 7.2 (AA)
Diamond- gb%: 48% (hi-a), 36% (AA) pecota: #47 upside: 34.3 scouting: #31 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 6.7 (AA)
Lester- gb%: 48% (AA) pecota: #25 upside: 46.9 scouting: BA #5 pitching prospect, translated K/9: 7.1 (AA)

Other factors they mention of importance are L/R splits. I don’t have the #’s handy but Lester is almost perfectly even against both where as Weaver’s splits are terrible against righties (I have no data for Diamond).

Other explanations they have given in chats, etc: “Lester’s home park isn’t condusive to fly balls” and Diamond’s is? “Lester’s home park in AA is a very favorable pitchers park.” It is actually a slight hitters park by all metrics I have seen.

Both Weaver and Diamond are ranked ahead of Lester. I think that is a pretty major inconsistency. Also, I’m not exactly passionate about proving the Dustin Pedroia ranking incorrect, but I don’t agree either. They have a good thing going, but it could use some adjustments.

]]> By: leetinsleyfanclub http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88938 leetinsleyfanclub Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:08:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88938 There's absolutely no way that Pineiro and Meche don't sense the urgency that they have to show something early in the regular season or they are done in Seattle. If Hargrove or Bavasi came out and said their spots are up for grabs right now then maybe they approach their spring training outings differently, trying to win a spot, and not at all the way they should - which would be to work on things that could make them better later on when the season starts. On the flip side, there's also no way that Foppert doesn't sense the opportunity he has should one of those guys falter. Thus, there is no need for the M's to dangle a carrot in front of him in the press. There’s absolutely no way that Pineiro and Meche don’t sense the urgency that they have to show something early in the regular season or they are done in Seattle. If Hargrove or Bavasi came out and said their spots are up for grabs right now then maybe they approach their spring training outings differently, trying to win a spot, and not at all the way they should – which would be to work on things that could make them better later on when the season starts. On the flip side, there’s also no way that Foppert doesn’t sense the opportunity he has should one of those guys falter. Thus, there is no need for the M’s to dangle a carrot in front of him in the press.

]]> By: Grizz http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88935 Grizz Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:40:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88935 <em>If you don’t like Lester, fine, but when you are BP you had better do a better job of backing up your point of view with some quantitative analysis than just citing that burb by Dave.</em> For those without BP premium access, the article does employ a quantative analysis. In the article, Nate Silver ranks pitching prospects based on a combination of BP's WARP and Upside metrics. (A BP article from February 8, which might be free, fully explains the methodology.) Under this analysis, Lester ranked 25th and Papelbon 45th. Silver preemptively answers the "why so low?" question by quoting Dave. The real funny part here is this is the same analysis that identified Red Sox prospect Dustin Pedroia as the second best middle infield prospect in baseball. If you don’t like Lester, fine, but when you are BP you had better do a better job of backing up your point of view with some quantitative analysis than just citing that burb by Dave.

For those without BP premium access, the article does employ a quantative analysis. In the article, Nate Silver ranks pitching prospects based on a combination of BP’s WARP and Upside metrics. (A BP article from February 8, which might be free, fully explains the methodology.) Under this analysis, Lester ranked 25th and Papelbon 45th. Silver preemptively answers the “why so low?” question by quoting Dave.

The real funny part here is this is the same analysis that identified Red Sox prospect Dustin Pedroia as the second best middle infield prospect in baseball.

]]> By: amarshal2 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88932 amarshal2 Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:58:06 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88932 I think Nate is a smart guy, I don't think you are an idiot and never accused you of such things. Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with him/you every time just because you are smart. There are plenty of smart people who agree with me. I think Nate is a smart guy, I don’t think you are an idiot and never accused you of such things. Doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with him/you every time just because you are smart. There are plenty of smart people who agree with me.

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-88931 Dave Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:53:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/03/friday-wheel-of-fun/#comment-88931 Perhaps you might want to consider that Nate's a smart guy, I'm not an idiot, and maybe, just maybe, we're on to something? Perhaps you might want to consider that Nate’s a smart guy, I’m not an idiot, and maybe, just maybe, we’re on to something?

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