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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/22/wednesday-march-22nd/comment-page-1/#comment-90117</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28-- of all people, Carl Everett expressed much the same thoughts :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28&#8211; of all people, Carl Everett expressed much the same thoughts <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tae Bo Jackson</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/03/22/wednesday-march-22nd/comment-page-1/#comment-90101</link>
		<dc:creator>Tae Bo Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Onion says...

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ichiro: &#039;The Best Part About Playing For My Country Was Not Playing For The Seattle Mariners&#039;&lt;/b&gt;
March 23, 2006 &#124; Onion Sports 

SAN DIEGOâ€”In an interview following Japan&#039;s 10-6 victory against Cuba in the World Baseball Classic championship game Monday, Ichiro Suzuki called the tournament a &quot;great opportunity to represent anything besides the Seattle Mariners.&quot; &quot;Playing alongside my countrymen on the world stage was nice, but the highlight of the event for me was not having to watch helplessly from the on-deck circle as [Seattle outfielder] Willie Bloomquist pops out for the fourth time in one game,&quot; said Ichiro, who has been contemplating a return to his non-Mariner roots since late 2003.&lt;/i&gt;

More....
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46647</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Onion says&#8230;</p>
<p><i><b>Ichiro: &#8216;The Best Part About Playing For My Country Was Not Playing For The Seattle Mariners&#8217;</b><br />
March 23, 2006 | Onion Sports </p>
<p>SAN DIEGOâ€”In an interview following Japan&#8217;s 10-6 victory against Cuba in the World Baseball Classic championship game Monday, Ichiro Suzuki called the tournament a &#8220;great opportunity to represent anything besides the Seattle Mariners.&#8221; &#8220;Playing alongside my countrymen on the world stage was nice, but the highlight of the event for me was not having to watch helplessly from the on-deck circle as [Seattle outfielder] Willie Bloomquist pops out for the fourth time in one game,&#8221; said Ichiro, who has been contemplating a return to his non-Mariner roots since late 2003.</i></p>
<p>More&#8230;.<br />
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		<title>By: JMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, Borchard&#039;s career AAA line is a bit worse, at 263/331/466 (well, worse in the slugging at least). He may have pitch recognition issues, but his 156 walks against 1668 at-bats (AAA) is just below the 10% threshhold of acceptability.

There&#039;s a theory -- can&#039;t remember whose, might be Sickels -- that players often decline when repeating AAA out of frustration. Borchard has now spent an amazing four years at AAA and has to be more than a little bit frustrated. I&#039;m normally not a big believer in this sort of thing, but this might be a case where &quot;change of scenery&quot; really does make a difference.

Not that I&#039;m expecting much. But if he can repeat that AAA line in the majors while playing a good corner and occasional CF, that&#039;s a useful player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, Borchard&#8217;s career AAA line is a bit worse, at 263/331/466 (well, worse in the slugging at least). He may have pitch recognition issues, but his 156 walks against 1668 at-bats (AAA) is just below the 10% threshhold of acceptability.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a theory &#8212; can&#8217;t remember whose, might be Sickels &#8212; that players often decline when repeating AAA out of frustration. Borchard has now spent an amazing four years at AAA and has to be more than a little bit frustrated. I&#8217;m normally not a big believer in this sort of thing, but this might be a case where &#8220;change of scenery&#8221; really does make a difference.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m expecting much. But if he can repeat that AAA line in the majors while playing a good corner and occasional CF, that&#8217;s a useful player.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, the scenario above happened during tonight&#039;s 4-1 loss to the Royals in SURPRISE~!, AZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, the scenario above happened during tonight&#8217;s 4-1 loss to the Royals in SURPRISE~!, AZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Borchard, he and the other two men competing for that last roster spot, Petagine and Morse, batted one right after the other in the 7th.  Corky Miller was on 3rd for each of their ABs.

Each AB ended in a strike out.  Bad, bad form.

I wonder how a guy who&#039;s averaged 260/330/490 in the International League, can&#039;t stand a chance against a breaking ball or can&#039;t draw a walk unless it&#039;s intentional, and hasn&#039;t shown jack in three major league call ups with the White Sox, warrants having a bench slot practically handed to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Borchard, he and the other two men competing for that last roster spot, Petagine and Morse, batted one right after the other in the 7th.  Corky Miller was on 3rd for each of their ABs.</p>
<p>Each AB ended in a strike out.  Bad, bad form.</p>
<p>I wonder how a guy who&#8217;s averaged 260/330/490 in the International League, can&#8217;t stand a chance against a breaking ball or can&#8217;t draw a walk unless it&#8217;s intentional, and hasn&#8217;t shown jack in three major league call ups with the White Sox, warrants having a bench slot practically handed to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pitching coach who really preached &quot;suck it up&quot; was Stan (&quot;The Steamer&quot;) williams.  And williams and Pinella were close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pitching coach who really preached &#8220;suck it up&#8221; was Stan (&#8221;The Steamer&#8221;) williams.  And williams and Pinella were close.</p>
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		<title>By: BelaXadux</title>
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		<dc:creator>BelaXadux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OHH to have an unabridged OED . . . I&#039;ve got lexicographer&#039;s envy!  Although the English-Sumerian dictionary I&#039;ve been waiting on would be more immediately useful, even if the earlier version is online.

What I found particularly interesting in the article on Nageotte and Blackley are the remarks from the Ms developmental staff to the effect that they were &#039;shocked and demoralized&#039; at how poorly the two pitched when called up.  Now, that shocks _me_.  Nageotte was pitching damn poorly down in Tacoma before he was thrown into the fire; he should never have been promoted at the time.  Blackely threw well, then spent several games throwing for all the world like he was hurt big time.  They didn&#039;t mention that Thornton was also throwing miserably, but was _twice_ promoted.  The performances shouldn&#039;t have been that shocking, and it wasn&#039;t the minor league development guys who were doing such a poor job; the _senior_ management thinking was what still grates, to me.  I might add that several of those senior figures subsequently talked about how &#039;talent poor&#039; the organization they had inherited was.  That latter position might be defensible to a degree, but poor decisions about the talent they had didn&#039;t reflect well on their own thinking regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OHH to have an unabridged OED . . . I&#8217;ve got lexicographer&#8217;s envy!  Although the English-Sumerian dictionary I&#8217;ve been waiting on would be more immediately useful, even if the earlier version is online.</p>
<p>What I found particularly interesting in the article on Nageotte and Blackley are the remarks from the Ms developmental staff to the effect that they were &#8217;shocked and demoralized&#8217; at how poorly the two pitched when called up.  Now, that shocks _me_.  Nageotte was pitching damn poorly down in Tacoma before he was thrown into the fire; he should never have been promoted at the time.  Blackely threw well, then spent several games throwing for all the world like he was hurt big time.  They didn&#8217;t mention that Thornton was also throwing miserably, but was _twice_ promoted.  The performances shouldn&#8217;t have been that shocking, and it wasn&#8217;t the minor league development guys who were doing such a poor job; the _senior_ management thinking was what still grates, to me.  I might add that several of those senior figures subsequently talked about how &#8216;talent poor&#8217; the organization they had inherited was.  That latter position might be defensible to a degree, but poor decisions about the talent they had didn&#8217;t reflect well on their own thinking regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be intersted in seeing if the departure of Dr. Pedegana will change anything about the team health.

Has Hargrove hinted at the rotation order yet, or has there been anything postulated? I am looking at tickets for April games, and I want to see Felix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be intersted in seeing if the departure of Dr. Pedegana will change anything about the team health.</p>
<p>Has Hargrove hinted at the rotation order yet, or has there been anything postulated? I am looking at tickets for April games, and I want to see Felix.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what you get from comments that Price has made is that the &#039;suck it up&#039; culture was not him, but instead stemmed from the previous regime, with implications that perhaps it came down from the former manager.... Price had talked about the need for a pitcher to learn his own body and how to tell what were &#039;normal&#039; aches, and what was pain, and he has also talked often about the need for a pitcher to tell them when something was wrong, and not try to hide it. I might also mention that this is not just a problem in this organization-- but something that has happened to most young poitchers wanting to make a team... ask Paul Abbott and Arthur Rhodes, among others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what you get from comments that Price has made is that the &#8217;suck it up&#8217; culture was not him, but instead stemmed from the previous regime, with implications that perhaps it came down from the former manager&#8230;. Price had talked about the need for a pitcher to learn his own body and how to tell what were &#8216;normal&#8217; aches, and what was pain, and he has also talked often about the need for a pitcher to tell them when something was wrong, and not try to hide it. I might also mention that this is not just a problem in this organization&#8211; but something that has happened to most young poitchers wanting to make a team&#8230; ask Paul Abbott and Arthur Rhodes, among others.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So the misdiagnosis might be partly Blackleyâ€™s fault.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe.  But there&#039;s been a lot of discussion here in the past (which is what EC is alluding to) about the &quot;suck it up&quot; culture in the pitching staff under Bryan Price, where any complaint was apparently treated as an indication of softness, lack of mental discipline, and generally used as a basis for criticsm rather than cause for concern -- and in several cases that continued right up until the player&#039;s &quot;softness&#039; put them on the DL or into the operating room.  In such a culture (if such it was), would you expect anyone (especially a young guy trying to break in) to do anything but hide a problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So the misdiagnosis might be partly Blackleyâ€™s fault.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe.  But there&#8217;s been a lot of discussion here in the past (which is what EC is alluding to) about the &#8220;suck it up&#8221; culture in the pitching staff under Bryan Price, where any complaint was apparently treated as an indication of softness, lack of mental discipline, and generally used as a basis for criticsm rather than cause for concern &#8212; and in several cases that continued right up until the player&#8217;s &#8220;softness&#8217; put them on the DL or into the operating room.  In such a culture (if such it was), would you expect anyone (especially a young guy trying to break in) to do anything but hide a problem?</p>
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