Comments on: 2nd Game Crowd http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Deanna http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92365 Deanna Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:02:50 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92365 Well, and not all "season tickets" are for the whole season, either. I'm sure they count us 16-game-plan peons in those figures as well, so realistically, the actual season ticket seats "sold" yesterday were some 80-gamers, half the 40-gamers, and 1/5th of the 16-gamers (maybe more with the weekday-only 16-game plan, but I don't feel like doing the math). Well, and not all “season tickets” are for the whole season, either. I’m sure they count us 16-game-plan peons in those figures as well, so realistically, the actual season ticket seats “sold” yesterday were some 80-gamers, half the 40-gamers, and 1/5th of the 16-gamers (maybe more with the weekday-only 16-game plan, but I don’t feel like doing the math).

]]> By: eponymous coward http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92335 eponymous coward Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:36:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92335 <i> Which was why I was a few minutes late to the USSM feed- I traded in a bunch of my 16 game plan for better tickets. Monday night against KC? Pass.</i>

Which was why I was a few minutes late to the USSM feed- I traded in a bunch of my 16 game plan for better tickets. Monday night against KC? Pass.

]]> By: Grizz http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92320 Grizz Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:05:17 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92320 Two factors put the tickets sold "attendance" over 20,000 last night: (1) there are 16,000 season tickets; (2) not all 16,000 ticket holders were able to stand in line on Edgar Martinez Way on Opening Day in order to exchange their tickets to last night's game for a better game later in the year. Tango, yes, Seattle can be that kind of place, although with the size of Safeco and the roof open, the dividing line is probably closer to 25,000. Except for nights Felix pitched, the crowds during the second half of last season were, in a word, numb. Extended exposure to Gil Meche and Ryan Franklin tends to do that to people. Two factors put the tickets sold “attendance” over 20,000 last night: (1) there are 16,000 season tickets; (2) not all 16,000 ticket holders were able to stand in line on Edgar Martinez Way on Opening Day in order to exchange their tickets to last night’s game for a better game later in the year.

Tango, yes, Seattle can be that kind of place, although with the size of Safeco and the roof open, the dividing line is probably closer to 25,000. Except for nights Felix pitched, the crowds during the second half of last season were, in a word, numb. Extended exposure to Gil Meche and Ryan Franklin tends to do that to people.

]]> By: jonwells http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92316 jonwells Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:54:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92316 #20 DW wrote "Giveaways != paid, so they don’t count in “paid attendance,” which both leagues have used since 1993." There's kind of a grey line there. A lot of the tickets that the M's earmark for charity are actually sold to the charitable organizations for $1 each (and they say $1 on the ticket!) I don't know for sure if they are counting them as "paid tickets" but it would make sense that they are doing so as that would seem to be the best explanation as to why they are charging the charities tnis nominal fee... #20 DW wrote “Giveaways != paid, so they don’t count in “paid attendance,” which both leagues have used since 1993.”

There’s kind of a grey line there. A lot of the tickets that the M’s earmark for charity are actually sold to the charitable organizations for $1 each (and they say $1 on the ticket!) I don’t know for sure if they are counting them as “paid tickets” but it would make sense that they are doing so as that would seem to be the best explanation as to why they are charging the charities tnis nominal fee…

]]> By: Jason http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92310 Jason Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:12:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92310 Odd that this discussion pops up here, as a similar discussion is going on over at BigSoccer.com about how MLS reports attendance (tickets distributed) vs. other leagues. The same discussion of the old NL/AL rules happened over there not 48 hours ago... Odd that this discussion pops up here, as a similar discussion is going on over at BigSoccer.com about how MLS reports attendance (tickets distributed) vs. other leagues. The same discussion of the old NL/AL rules happened over there not 48 hours ago…

]]> By: tangotiger http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92309 tangotiger Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:48:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92309 The second-day to first-day ratio reminds me on what we experienced in Montreal. The "attitude" of the first-day crowd would always be very enthusiastic (which seems different from what was reported here yesterday). However, when Montreal would get 15,000 or less, the atmosphere would not be very good. It's always like a death spiral where once you get below the "enthusiastic" level, it gets progressively worse. Is Seattle that kind of place? The second-day to first-day ratio reminds me on what we experienced in Montreal. The “attitude” of the first-day crowd would always be very enthusiastic (which seems different from what was reported here yesterday). However, when Montreal would get 15,000 or less, the atmosphere would not be very good. It’s always like a death spiral where once you get below the “enthusiastic” level, it gets progressively worse. Is Seattle that kind of place?

]]> By: zzyzx http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92305 zzyzx Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:30:52 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92305 <i>Maybe they’ll reinstitue Kingdome-esque looking the other way when you sneak into good seats! </i> Now that brings back memories of that Yankees/M's brawl in 96. I had snuck down to second row seats and got to yell all sorts of "scoreboard" comments (it was 8-2 M's at the time). Ah, good times. Maybe they’ll reinstitue Kingdome-esque looking the other way when you sneak into good seats!

Now that brings back memories of that Yankees/M’s brawl in 96. I had snuck down to second row seats and got to yell all sorts of “scoreboard” comments (it was 8-2 M’s at the time). Ah, good times.

]]> By: dw http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92302 dw Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:03:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92302 <em>I was under the impression it’s not just tickets sold, but that the numbers they now announce also include comp tickets (those the Ms give away in big chunks to things like the Boys & Girls club, to make it sound like their ticket sales weren’t quite so dismal).</em> Giveaways != paid, so they don't count in "paid attendance," which both leagues have used since 1993. Now, if they were using the old "actual" rules the NL had before '93, they might get away with handing out thousands of comp'd tickets to bump up attendance, but even then they'd have to overcome the 2-3K last night that paid but didn't walk through the turnstiles. I was under the impression it’s not just tickets sold, but that the numbers they now announce also include comp tickets (those the Ms give away in big chunks to things like the Boys & Girls club, to make it sound like their ticket sales weren’t quite so dismal).

Giveaways != paid, so they don’t count in “paid attendance,” which both leagues have used since 1993.

Now, if they were using the old “actual” rules the NL had before ‘93, they might get away with handing out thousands of comp’d tickets to bump up attendance, but even then they’d have to overcome the 2-3K last night that paid but didn’t walk through the turnstiles.

]]> By: dw http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92301 dw Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:58:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92301 <em>Maybe they’ll reinstitue Kingdome-esque looking the other way when you sneak into good seats!</em> They were letting people do it last year after the third inning. And seeing how the staffing levels appear to be down as well, I think you'd be able to do it earlier this year. Maybe they’ll reinstitue Kingdome-esque looking the other way when you sneak into good seats!

They were letting people do it last year after the third inning. And seeing how the staffing levels appear to be down as well, I think you’d be able to do it earlier this year.

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/comment-page-1/#comment-92300 DMZ Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:39:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/04/2nd-game-crowd/#comment-92300 I don't believe it counts giveaways. It's supposed to be paid attendance. I don’t believe it counts giveaways. It’s supposed to be paid attendance.

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