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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richie ran hard through first tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richie ran hard through first tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: JI</title>
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		<dc:creator>JI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 05:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45

It&#039;s called the SPEZI-O-METER, being a Cards fan it pains me to have to fire it up again.

Rightnow his strikeout percentage is .500, last year it was .353. He was hovering around .400 all of last year inevitab;y tailed off. Regression to the mean I guess.

As to base running, there&#039;s a difference between aggressive baserunning and smart baserunning. I&#039;m not sure the Mariners know which, exactly, they are going for.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s called the SPEZI-O-METER, being a Cards fan it pains me to have to fire it up again.</p>
<p>Rightnow his strikeout percentage is .500, last year it was .353. He was hovering around .400 all of last year inevitab;y tailed off. Regression to the mean I guess.</p>
<p>As to base running, there&#8217;s a difference between aggressive baserunning and smart baserunning. I&#8217;m not sure the Mariners know which, exactly, they are going for.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone think of Doyle when they read #45?

And in the majors, coaches are supposed to know the capabilities of the opposing outfielders and their own baserunners so that they can make good decisions. I, too, think the runners shouls pay MORE attention to the coaches. I can&#039;t believe how often I see a runner looking out to the outfield, trying to assess the situation, in a situation when a base coach has a much better chance to see it and signal him.

Most of all, though, runners could pick up an extra base now and then with a little hustle. Jogging to first is bad enough, but easing up going into second or third drives me absolutely crazy. Round the base aggressively, dammit, and see if a fielder bobbles it. I know part of the reason is that they have to play 162 games, and they can even be injured doing something like this, but I think it stinks. I haven&#039;t gone to a HS or college game in many years, but I keep sayuing I&#039;m going to do it just to see how kids do it these days.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone think of Doyle when they read #45?</p>
<p>And in the majors, coaches are supposed to know the capabilities of the opposing outfielders and their own baserunners so that they can make good decisions. I, too, think the runners shouls pay MORE attention to the coaches. I can&#8217;t believe how often I see a runner looking out to the outfield, trying to assess the situation, in a situation when a base coach has a much better chance to see it and signal him.</p>
<p>Most of all, though, runners could pick up an extra base now and then with a little hustle. Jogging to first is bad enough, but easing up going into second or third drives me absolutely crazy. Round the base aggressively, dammit, and see if a fielder bobbles it. I know part of the reason is that they have to play 162 games, and they can even be injured doing something like this, but I think it stinks. I haven&#8217;t gone to a HS or college game in many years, but I keep sayuing I&#8217;m going to do it just to see how kids do it these days.</p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to the rules-of-thumb mentioned above, there are also the rules like &quot;don&#039;t make the first or third out at third base,&quot; that sort of acknowledge the fact that making an out on the basepaths is very costly, and often is not worth the risk of trying for an extra base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the rules-of-thumb mentioned above, there are also the rules like &#8220;don&#8217;t make the first or third out at third base,&#8221; that sort of acknowledge the fact that making an out on the basepaths is very costly, and often is not worth the risk of trying for an extra base.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm...I always thought that the runners SHOULD trust the coaches more...craning the neck while running the basepaths slows you down physically (and making assessments while running also slows you down).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230;I always thought that the runners SHOULD trust the coaches more&#8230;craning the neck while running the basepaths slows you down physically (and making assessments while running also slows you down).</p>
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		<title>By: zw25</title>
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		<dc:creator>zw25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose that to someone who may not have played at any higher levels, this isn&#039;t such an obvious thing but Dave&#039;s right on: basecoaches influence the runner&#039;s decision minimally. The first base coach&#039;s role can be essentially reduced to that of the equipment manager (You&#039;ve got to have someone to take away all that body armor) because of 1st base&#039;s orientation. The player rounding 1st can see the entire field and doesn&#039;t really need someone to tell them what to do. I have the personal opinion that if baserunners left the decisions up to the coaches and just put their heads down to run, a lot of these stupid outs would be avoided. Baseball players have shown an unbelievable inability to make these judgements while running. 

The only instructions they generally rely on at first are verbal orders to hit the dirt on pick off attempts or to advance on a botched pickoff. Remember too, the effectiveness of verbal communication drops at each advancing level and therefore, probably is nonexistent at the Mariners level. More fans means you can&#039;t hear a coach (hence why minor leaguers are not allowed to yell cutoff orders to outfielders - you&#039;ll have to make that judgement without verbal clues to make it in the big leagues). 

The third base coach (in theory) should be the one to decide whether a runner is going both 2nd to home and 1st to 3rd (in addition to signal relay pre-pitch). The runner should not be looking behind, around, etc. However... this doesn&#039;t always work this way. It seems major leaguers like making this decision for themselves.

As to how you gague whether you would make it or not, you never have time to consider. I broke down all the possibilities like Dave did (in other words, knowing the answer before presented with the question) and did the same as a base coach. Players are encouraged to not think during a play anyways. There simply isn&#039;t time to gague statistical probabilities (not to mention most baseball players haven&#039;t taken enough math) and so the &quot;smart baserunners&quot; are the ones who probably take the time to plan everything out while the &quot;poor baserunners&quot; don&#039;t take the time between plays to develop a thought framework with which to react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that to someone who may not have played at any higher levels, this isn&#8217;t such an obvious thing but Dave&#8217;s right on: basecoaches influence the runner&#8217;s decision minimally. The first base coach&#8217;s role can be essentially reduced to that of the equipment manager (You&#8217;ve got to have someone to take away all that body armor) because of 1st base&#8217;s orientation. The player rounding 1st can see the entire field and doesn&#8217;t really need someone to tell them what to do. I have the personal opinion that if baserunners left the decisions up to the coaches and just put their heads down to run, a lot of these stupid outs would be avoided. Baseball players have shown an unbelievable inability to make these judgements while running. </p>
<p>The only instructions they generally rely on at first are verbal orders to hit the dirt on pick off attempts or to advance on a botched pickoff. Remember too, the effectiveness of verbal communication drops at each advancing level and therefore, probably is nonexistent at the Mariners level. More fans means you can&#8217;t hear a coach (hence why minor leaguers are not allowed to yell cutoff orders to outfielders &#8211; you&#8217;ll have to make that judgement without verbal clues to make it in the big leagues). </p>
<p>The third base coach (in theory) should be the one to decide whether a runner is going both 2nd to home and 1st to 3rd (in addition to signal relay pre-pitch). The runner should not be looking behind, around, etc. However&#8230; this doesn&#8217;t always work this way. It seems major leaguers like making this decision for themselves.</p>
<p>As to how you gague whether you would make it or not, you never have time to consider. I broke down all the possibilities like Dave did (in other words, knowing the answer before presented with the question) and did the same as a base coach. Players are encouraged to not think during a play anyways. There simply isn&#8217;t time to gague statistical probabilities (not to mention most baseball players haven&#8217;t taken enough math) and so the &#8220;smart baserunners&#8221; are the ones who probably take the time to plan everything out while the &#8220;poor baserunners&#8221; don&#8217;t take the time between plays to develop a thought framework with which to react.</p>
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		<title>By: Sphexi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sphexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that, the link didn&#039;t show up.

And Paul, I had zoned in on the advancing on hits section. Thanks for adding the summary information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that, the link didn&#8217;t show up.</p>
<p>And Paul, I had zoned in on the advancing on hits section. Thanks for adding the summary information.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Covert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Covert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/ichiro.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; to which Sphexi refers. Slight correction, though: What Tippett concludes is that Ichiro gained about 30 bases, worth about 6-12 extra runs (not bases) on non-boxscore advances compared to the average runner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/ichiro.htm" rel="nofollow">article</a> to which Sphexi refers. Slight correction, though: What Tippett concludes is that Ichiro gained about 30 bases, worth about 6-12 extra runs (not bases) on non-boxscore advances compared to the average runner.</p>
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		<title>By: Sphexi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sphexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Tippet wrote a very good article several years ago on &quot;Measuring the Impact of Speed&quot;. There are some places where it gets into the specifics of the Diamond Mind Baseball game, but overall it is very informative and includes comments on Advancing on Hits and Advancing on Outs.

Interestingly, it mentions that in 2002 Ichiro was one of the league&#039;s best baserunners and he only managed to take 6 more bases than the average runner could have. The article is also cool because it uses Ichiro for all the examples.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://diamond-mind.com/articles/ichiro.htm&quot; title=&quot;Measuring the Impact of Speed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Tippet wrote a very good article several years ago on &#8220;Measuring the Impact of Speed&#8221;. There are some places where it gets into the specifics of the Diamond Mind Baseball game, but overall it is very informative and includes comments on Advancing on Hits and Advancing on Outs.</p>
<p>Interestingly, it mentions that in 2002 Ichiro was one of the league&#8217;s best baserunners and he only managed to take 6 more bases than the average runner could have. The article is also cool because it uses Ichiro for all the examples.</p>
<p><a href="http://diamond-mind.com/articles/ichiro.htm" title="Measuring the Impact of Speed" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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