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		<title>By: alexking.org: Blog &#62; Around the web</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/09/week-one-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-95735</link>
		<dc:creator>alexking.org: Blog &#62; Around the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] U.S.S. Mariner - Week One in review - Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion &#8230;if they had realized their position and retreated from trying to compete earlier, and rebuilt on the cheap, they’d be the Indians of a year or two ago, preparing for an extended run at competition and if they’d been Boston, willing to wisely spend their massive revenues on the field, they might never have dropped as low. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] U.S.S. Mariner &#8211; Week One in review &#8211; Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion &#8230;if they had realized their position and retreated from trying to compete earlier, and rebuilt on the cheap, they’d be the Indians of a year or two ago, preparing for an extended run at competition and if they’d been Boston, willing to wisely spend their massive revenues on the field, they might never have dropped as low. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: beckya57</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/09/week-one-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-93901</link>
		<dc:creator>beckya57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why you&#039;re worrying about what would happen to the M&#039;s in the playoffs, since there&#039;s no way they&#039;re going to get there with this team.  The offense is too erratic, the pitching is too suspect, and there&#039;s too much dead wood (Bloomquist, Beltre, Everett, ad nauseaum).  Imaginary playoff scenarios are the least of their problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;re worrying about what would happen to the M&#8217;s in the playoffs, since there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;re going to get there with this team.  The offense is too erratic, the pitching is too suspect, and there&#8217;s too much dead wood (Bloomquist, Beltre, Everett, ad nauseaum).  Imaginary playoff scenarios are the least of their problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariner Fan in CO Exile</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/09/week-one-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-93900</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariner Fan in CO Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph (#10) - You are on to my hope (and that of many on this blog). Send Willie packing, via trade for a player, a box of Cracker Jack or in exchange for a promise never to offer him back.  If the only way to NEVER play Willie is get him the heck out of here, I vote for that.  He almost caused us to lose Beltre on a boneheaded play (Beltre was in position, I thought).  He can play a lot of positions, but none of them very well, and he&#039;s a liability at the plate - period.  His energy is annoying not contagious.  The only thing going for him is he&#039;s always out there signing autographs, and I think that&#039;s admirable.

As far as catching goes, I am thinking of the wear and tear, hence my comment at #7 (my first post was a bit of an exaggeration, admittedly).   I think starting him in ONE extra game this early in the season when you have a day off the next day could have been huge.  He&#039;s great with the pitchers (and Pineiro needed it) and if he had started something, who knows where the momentum might have taken the team.  I doubt Kenji suddenly becomes injury-prone or an ineffective catcher by playing 5 or 6 extra games over the year in rare situations like this (where there&#039;s a day off the next day).  Sit him in a few series where you are up 2-0 (or down 0-2) to make up the difference.  This early, and facing this line-up of teams, it&#039;s huge to eek out another win where you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph (#10) &#8211; You are on to my hope (and that of many on this blog). Send Willie packing, via trade for a player, a box of Cracker Jack or in exchange for a promise never to offer him back.  If the only way to NEVER play Willie is get him the heck out of here, I vote for that.  He almost caused us to lose Beltre on a boneheaded play (Beltre was in position, I thought).  He can play a lot of positions, but none of them very well, and he&#8217;s a liability at the plate &#8211; period.  His energy is annoying not contagious.  The only thing going for him is he&#8217;s always out there signing autographs, and I think that&#8217;s admirable.</p>
<p>As far as catching goes, I am thinking of the wear and tear, hence my comment at #7 (my first post was a bit of an exaggeration, admittedly).   I think starting him in ONE extra game this early in the season when you have a day off the next day could have been huge.  He&#8217;s great with the pitchers (and Pineiro needed it) and if he had started something, who knows where the momentum might have taken the team.  I doubt Kenji suddenly becomes injury-prone or an ineffective catcher by playing 5 or 6 extra games over the year in rare situations like this (where there&#8217;s a day off the next day).  Sit him in a few series where you are up 2-0 (or down 0-2) to make up the difference.  This early, and facing this line-up of teams, it&#8217;s huge to eek out another win where you can.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/04/09/week-one-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-93897</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t do it the wrong way if the goal was to keep attendance up. Announcing &quot;hey, we&#039;re razing the team&quot; is a surefire way to tank to 1.6 million attendance or so.

The thing is you can only postpone the day of reckoning for so long- and opening week attendance at around 20,000 for weekday games was the sound of the fat lady warming up for her Declining Attendance Aria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t do it the wrong way if the goal was to keep attendance up. Announcing &#8220;hey, we&#8217;re razing the team&#8221; is a surefire way to tank to 1.6 million attendance or so.</p>
<p>The thing is you can only postpone the day of reckoning for so long- and opening week attendance at around 20,000 for weekday games was the sound of the fat lady warming up for her Declining Attendance Aria.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, &#039;boasted&#039; is probably the wrong term to use. But it is pretty condescending. Saying that Cleveland has a &quot;nice little ballclub&quot; and that they took their fans for granted. 

Regardless, to say the Indians did it the wrong way is pretty ridiculous, given that they rebuilt faster than the Mariners, with a lower budget, and with a much brighter future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, &#8216;boasted&#8217; is probably the wrong term to use. But it is pretty condescending. Saying that Cleveland has a &#8220;nice little ballclub&#8221; and that they took their fans for granted. </p>
<p>Regardless, to say the Indians did it the wrong way is pretty ridiculous, given that they rebuilt faster than the Mariners, with a lower budget, and with a much brighter future.</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As loath as I am to defend Armstrong, I thinkthe context of his quotes about Cleveland were about budget, not rebuilding. Unless I was reading him completely wrong, his point was that they arn&#039;t going to slash the budget, not that they weren&#039;t going to rebuild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As loath as I am to defend Armstrong, I thinkthe context of his quotes about Cleveland were about budget, not rebuilding. Unless I was reading him completely wrong, his point was that they arn&#8217;t going to slash the budget, not that they weren&#8217;t going to rebuild.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say they &#039;boasted&#039; about it-- it came up in answer to a Larry Stone question about losing fans:

&quot;The Mariners should know full well the tenuous nature of fan passion. All they have to do is look at the attendance figures of the Orioles, Blue Jays and Rockies, all of whom went through a five-year or more stretch of playing virtually to capacity, but now rank 14th, 23rd and 26th, respectively, in the majors.

&quot;I worry about it a lot,&quot; Armstrong said. &quot;Last week in Toronto, I saw it firsthand. Their no-shows were tremendous. That&#039;s why we work so hard at keeping Safeco Field so special.&quot;

Even more ominous is the arc of the Indians, who sold out Jacobs Field for six straight seasons, then fell precipitously after tearing apart the team in 2002. Now they have rebuilt the team to championship caliber on a shoestring budget, yet fans have not flocked back. The Indians rank 24th in the majors this season with 24,457 per game.

Armstrong said the Mariners will not use the Cleveland model of stripping down the ballclub to rebuild. Last winter, the Mariners dished out more than $100 million on free agents Adrian Beltre and Richie Sexson. 

&quot;It&#039;s incumbent on us me, Bill (Bavasi), the baseball guys to try to get the kind of players that will get this turned around as quickly as we can, as opposed to embarking on the Cleveland approach,&quot; Armstrong said. &quot;Cleveland has such a nice little ballclub, yet we&#039;re averaging 10,000 more a game. We think we have a compact with the fans ownership does.&quot;

Armstrong is fully aware of the perception of some that the loyalty of Mariners fans could work against them. Since the fans keep flocking out through losing seasons, the reasoning goes, the club isn&#039;t motivated to maximize the product.

Not true at all, he said.

&quot;We don&#039;t take them for granted,&quot; Armstrong insisted. &quot;We know we have to put a good product on the field. If we did take it for granted, we would have adopted more of a Cleveland approach and cut back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say they &#8216;boasted&#8217; about it&#8211; it came up in answer to a Larry Stone question about losing fans:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Mariners should know full well the tenuous nature of fan passion. All they have to do is look at the attendance figures of the Orioles, Blue Jays and Rockies, all of whom went through a five-year or more stretch of playing virtually to capacity, but now rank 14th, 23rd and 26th, respectively, in the majors.</p>
<p>&#8220;I worry about it a lot,&#8221; Armstrong said. &#8220;Last week in Toronto, I saw it firsthand. Their no-shows were tremendous. That&#8217;s why we work so hard at keeping Safeco Field so special.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even more ominous is the arc of the Indians, who sold out Jacobs Field for six straight seasons, then fell precipitously after tearing apart the team in 2002. Now they have rebuilt the team to championship caliber on a shoestring budget, yet fans have not flocked back. The Indians rank 24th in the majors this season with 24,457 per game.</p>
<p>Armstrong said the Mariners will not use the Cleveland model of stripping down the ballclub to rebuild. Last winter, the Mariners dished out more than $100 million on free agents Adrian Beltre and Richie Sexson. </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s incumbent on us me, Bill (Bavasi), the baseball guys to try to get the kind of players that will get this turned around as quickly as we can, as opposed to embarking on the Cleveland approach,&#8221; Armstrong said. &#8220;Cleveland has such a nice little ballclub, yet we&#8217;re averaging 10,000 more a game. We think we have a compact with the fans ownership does.&#8221;</p>
<p>Armstrong is fully aware of the perception of some that the loyalty of Mariners fans could work against them. Since the fans keep flocking out through losing seasons, the reasoning goes, the club isn&#8217;t motivated to maximize the product.</p>
<p>Not true at all, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t take them for granted,&#8221; Armstrong insisted. &#8220;We know we have to put a good product on the field. If we did take it for granted, we would have adopted more of a Cleveland approach and cut back.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it humorous that Armstrong (or possibly it was Lincoln) likes to &quot;boast&quot; that they chose not to go the Cleveland route and suffer a couple of losing seasons in order to rebuild. Yeah, good thing we didn&#039;t do what those Cleveland morons did. It&#039;s hate to be where they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it humorous that Armstrong (or possibly it was Lincoln) likes to &#8220;boast&#8221; that they chose not to go the Cleveland route and suffer a couple of losing seasons in order to rebuild. Yeah, good thing we didn&#8217;t do what those Cleveland morons did. It&#8217;s hate to be where they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Malph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to keep in mind the wear and tear of catching.  Squatting and jumping up for 9 innings beats up the legs, especially when you get into your 30s.  Coming in for an inning at the end still makes for a day off.  He&#039;s not going to keep hitting all year if you burn him out catching every day early in the year.  

And you can&#039;t have a guy on the roster and NEVER play him -- he&#039;s got to play every once in a while if he&#039;s going to be ready when he&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to keep in mind the wear and tear of catching.  Squatting and jumping up for 9 innings beats up the legs, especially when you get into your 30s.  Coming in for an inning at the end still makes for a day off.  He&#8217;s not going to keep hitting all year if you burn him out catching every day early in the year.  </p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t have a guy on the roster and NEVER play him &#8212; he&#8217;s got to play every once in a while if he&#8217;s going to be ready when he&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: pensive</title>
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		<dc:creator>pensive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully is was very good pitching from the As.  The defense looks as though should lead league.  There is more to be abit more hopeful for 2006. 

The seating chart would fit nicely in the features colum. Thankyou for the effort and sharing years of trial and error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully is was very good pitching from the As.  The defense looks as though should lead league.  There is more to be abit more hopeful for 2006. </p>
<p>The seating chart would fit nicely in the features colum. Thankyou for the effort and sharing years of trial and error.</p>
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