Game 82, Rockies at Mariners
RHP Byung-Hyun Kim vs. RHP Joel Pineiro, 7:05pm.
Kim has turned his career around after a disasterous 2004 season in which he posted a 6+ ERA (albeit in limited action). This year he’s at 4.31 through 11 starts, and despite pitching half his games at Coors Field, has only surrendered five home runs on the year. He’s also on something of a roll right now, having allowed no runs and nine hits in 13 innings over his past two starts.
Then you have Pineiro. It’s been a month since his last good start, when he held Kansas City to one run over seven innings. In the four starts since then, he’s allowed 31 hits, ten walks, and has fanned just 12 hitters in 21.2 innings, all good for a Boeing-friendly 7.47 ERA. Ugh.
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It’ll be very interesting to see what this start portends in terms of future moves.
If Pineiro gets shelled, does he get yanked from the rotation immediately?
If he does his usual 6-innings-4-earned-runs routine, what do the Mariners do?
If he gives up just one run over seven innings, does that mean anything? Will the M’s THINK it means anything?
I think we should swap him out for his younger brother. Even if little bro is a Chik-Fil-A night manager or something.
Good idea we’ll call it the Weaver Effect
Is Craig Griffey or Shawn Buhner still around?
Miguel Olivo’s line with the Marlins is 291 319 492. WTF?
There’s a story for some bored sportswriter to do someday … the All-Players-Who-Had-To-Get-Away-From-Seattle-To-Thrive team.
VORB? Value Over Replacement Brother?
Since there’s a tradition of using proper names of pitchers for other parts of speech (Tommy John, Cy Young, etc), we might as well verb it: “He had a brother coming up, so he’s been Weavered.” As in: put him on the Weaver wire.
Extending this to Nomah’s Little Bromah is an exercise left for the reader.
BTW, I know DMZ and some others were discussing their “click-of-death” iPods a few days ago in another game thread. In case you missed it, there may be an easy fix. And if that doesn’t work, you can always try the “drop it three storeys” fix (which has to be emotionally satisfying even when it is technically impotent).
I realize this is completely off-topic, and I apologize, but hey the topic didn’t get deleted when it originally came up…. and it’s either this or listen to the pre-game meanderings of the M’s announcing crew without any game visuals to distract you.
Joe- will defer to Eponymous Coward for the final authority on that but I think you have something!
OK, been away working Vintage Car races so if this has been beat to death, please forgive me. Does anyone think it has occurred to the M’s that with the Perez trade, they are having to cover C Rex’s job with two players? If already beat to death, just Perry Mason it, “Asked and answered”.
They’ve been covering the DH position with two players for the last few weeks. But platoons aren’t all that unusual. I don’t think that’s enough for them to figure out that C-Rex is dead weight.
Sigh, even the 2.39 average doesn’t help them see it either. Must be the club house intangibles then…
11. Just so you know you don’t put periods in averages.
Since the way Hargrove uses his bench means that nobody is doing Everett’s job, including Everett, what does it matter?
I sometimes wonder if Hargrove thinks those guys left behind in the dugout when everybody runs onto the field are batboys, or guys who are supposed to be sweeping up sunflower seeds, or something. (Could be, right? I mean, sure they have uniforms on — but so does Hargrove, and he’s apparently not expected to do anything actually related to winnning the game either).
what if Eduardo’s clubhouse intangibles replace Carl’s? Can we dump him then?
12: Sure you do. The period goes in front of the average, though, not the middle.
msb – No, only C Rex and WB can have intangibles. Intangibles are only given to players who have intangible effects on the whole…I think my brain is cramping.
Hey, easy, I’m enjoying a nice ,ok two, Makers Mark. Typing skills are fading…
PSA – BTW, DAVE NIEHAUS’s special guest tonight is SABR’s DAVID VINCENT.
(David Vincent probably knows more about home runs than any man alive.)
It behooves us to listen to the game on radio, on the chance that Dave Niehaus and Ron Fairly will permit Vincent to share some of that knowledge with us.
All right, time to make up for last night.
Thanks John, will be listening to the radio.
Intangibles, by definition, are unobservable (if they were observable, they’d be tangibles). Thus it’s impossible to determine if Eduardo’s intangibles were replacing Carl’s — it might be some other intangible doing the replacing, or none; they may be replaced, or not; the team might be winning, or losing, because of them or in spite of them, or because of or in spite of their absence. We cannot know. “What can be said at all can be said clearly, and what we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence…â€
Carl Everett is the sound of one hand clapping.
(The other hand is busy giving the finger).
How ironic … Bloomquist catches the SABR guy’s first pitch, when Bloomquist is probably the least SABR-friendly player on the planet.
Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul!!!
WOW…I had to pinch myself on that one!!
Rauuuuuul. What a catch!
Ichibanez!!!!
That catch was incredible.
23: Not enough u’s.
“That’s gonna help Joe-L right there….”
Uh, yeah. Like saving him from a first inning home run.
A little love for the glove!
OK, so Arizona’s Batista carried a perfect game into the 7th and ended up beating the A’s 7-2, the Astros beat the Rangers 7-0, and the Angels beat the Dodgers by 7 runs. I’m predicting a 7 figures into the score tonight (please let it not be “number of runs given up by Eddie in one inning”). Oh, and there’s a chance to gain a game on the AL West leaders.
Man, Raul’s going to lose five pounds out there tonight.
I have a question about the WHIP stat, which seems like it would be a pretty good measure of a pitcher’s performance. Clearly a WHIP of 1 is pretty good and 2 is pretty bad. What is an average WHIP?
Very smooth play by Yuni
That catch gets more amazing with each replay … full extension to a point beyond where Ibanez could even see the ball.
#32: I can give you David Cameron’s default response on WHIP, having read it here about 9,000 times: WHIP is basically a fantasy-league stat with no predictive or analytical significance.
WHIP is generally criticized as not being a very good measure of a pitcher’s performance, at least by the SABR-minded among us (I’ll leave it to them to explain why). It certainly isn’t a very good predictor of performance. It’s useful for Fantasy players, however.
I remember reading once about a Mariners outfield practice session devoted to practicing that reach-over-the fence grab. Two players participated. One was Griffey, who’d you’d expect to pull them off back then, the other was Buhner, who was less mobile than Raul at the time.
Great way to break out of that min slump Ichiro was in.
I love watching Kim pitch … reminds me of a herky-jerkier and yet somehow smoother Kent Tekulve or Dan Quisenberry.
I get the warm and fuzzies every time I hear about one-time reluctant-catcher-in-training Raul Ibanez making a fantastic play out in LF despite his obvious catcher’s-feet-in-buckets-of-cement running (compared to Ichiro, anyway).
I’d listen to that SABR guy on the radio, but I just did a little check, and the radio broadcast here in Bellingham is a good eight seconds ahead of the TV broadcast on FSN. Yuck.
Oh no! Angels won today! Well, at least Texas and Oakland lost.
RAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL
that enough U’s??
Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul!!!
OK, Raul says the M’s are going to win tonight.
Raul’s having a nice inning.
Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul!
For example, I heard Rizzs saying “Goodbye baseball!” before Kim even delivered the pitch.
Rauuuul! Bat and glove both.
I just can’t beleive Raul this year. He’s just freakin insane!
Jeez Norm, give a guy a break!
RAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULL!!!
Mariner with thunder.
Now THAT’S a first inning.
Man it is great to see us getting runs with 2 outs. And who else to do it for us but Rauuuuul.
Raul is officially the awesomest player on the field today. Takes one away, hits one out. 2-0, Rauuuuuuul over the Rockies.
That dinger landed quite near the SABR section.
I guess Raul didn’t get the memo about how he’s supposed to be going into decline at age 34. Zowie.
our number of runs right now = our hits yesterday
#48, use that to your advantage if you want to do some work around the house. Listen on the radio, and if something exciting happens you have time to look at the TV to see it.
#58: 1 ~= 2
Oops. Never mind, forgot Ichiro had doubled.
59: I remember once listening to a Mariners game against Tampa Bay on the radio while doing yardwork. With the bases loaded, Rizzs started yelling and I was able to get inside in time to see a Mariners player hitting a grand slam. The name of that Mariner: Willie Bloomquist.
In fact, 1 ~= 2 for large values of 1. Which is what the M’s had in this case.
BTW, I went looking for a something a little more clarifying wrt the value of WHIP or lack thereof. Nothing definitive jumped out (perhaps that’s something else a certain jobless someone will have time to add to the FAQ in between the World Cup and the Tour) but I did find this deja vu thread covering a Certain Starting Pitcher (complete with WHIP, Willie Bloomquist, and quality starts…)
Pretty funny game note from the Rays/Nats game:
WASHINGTON’S ROBERT FICK LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE THIRD INNING DUE TO MILD GASTROINTESTINAL DISTRESS.
Why in the world did Joel pitch around Jorvit? He’s hitting .185 on the season. I realize the pitcher is comming up but there was no need to play around with him.
Good thing Torrealba walked; since he’s a former Mariner, he probably would have hit a strike out of the yard.
I meant Barmes is comming up. My bad.
Pineiro is right on track for one of his usual performances.
66. We’re back in the AL.
66: No pitchers in AL parks.
so, how do they start advertising Eduardo?
“Eduardo Atanasio Perez … not the Son Of A Red you want to see back in Seattle, but, hey! His dad is in the HOF”?
66. Also, “coming”.
That’s a free swing for the hitter? That’s what Hendu is saying.
c’mon Joel. sheesh. You know what Jamie could have done last night if he’d been presented with a bottom of the first like that one?
74: No. Hendu is an idiot.
Joel Sucks
Nice.
Come on Pineiro!
Yank him. Get his ass out of the game.
“just a mental lapse for Joel”
doesn’t that describe Joel’s entire career?
Ugh. bad throw by Raul.
Welcome to Seattle, Jeff Weaver.
Very nice, Joel.
Pineiro sucks at his job.
41 pitches so far and about 5 of them quality. 4 runs in 2 innings. He has to go far away from Seattle and go quickly.
“Our defensive wizard out there, Ibanez…”
Can we take Hendu out back and shoot him now?
Pineiro is the worst pitcher ever.
Hendu was right, surprisingly. But it looks like another Joel Pinata night.
“Our defense wizard out there Raul Ibanez”
Hahaha. Oh, that’s rich Hendu.
have Mike Morse & the van for Tacoma left yet?
Please just DFA him. Please. This is embarassing.
So is this the start that runs Pineiro out of Seattle?
I may be broke, and gas may be expensive, but I’ll gladly pay for his trip down South I-5.
93. I sure hope so.
They should be looking to unload Joel, ASAP. He’s a headcase, and he’s a weak link. A team that is looking forward to a pennant race cannot afford to trot out a terrible pitcher like Joel out to the mound every fifth day.
Anybody wanta maybe at least go out and talk to him? Sheesh.
Freakin awful
And say what? Quit sucking?
Seriously, I don’t think he’d be doing much better in Tacoma. At least he wouldn’t be hurting the major league team, though.
Has Kenji had a lot of trouble tagging people this inning?
God, Johjima just looked silly as hell trying to tag him out.
Joh should have made the tag.
so, any chance Eduardo tucked Jake Westbrook into his carry-on bag?
100: Yeah he would. He would be taking innings from prospects, who are infinitely more valuable than Joel.
Give Kenji a break. He did what he could with an offline throw. Two of them, actually.
this is the team that just traded a prospect for their big playoff run?
fantastic.
How badly is Pineiro getting booed?
Geez, that was awful. Joh had a play there but just didn’t make it, or at least it looked that way to me. 5 runs in the inning. Curses.
On a positive note, the seats look pretty full (at least on MLB.tv) tonight.
I agree with Jim. Upon further review, clearly it was not Johjima who blew it.
Yeah it’s not Kenjis fault it’s Joels.
99 – Sure. And tell him to take a deep breath. And break up the mesmerizing rhythym of hit-hit-balk-hit-walk-hit-etc.
Or pull him. Anything but leave him out there in that cycle of suck. Go NBA at least and give him twenty seconds to regroup.
106–right-on. Don’t blame Joh. Blame Joel.
Watching Joel makes me want to set myself on fire.
The bad news: the M’s are down 5-2.
The good news: Byung-Hyun Kim is pitching for the Rockies.
I don’t know what’s more grueling. This game, or installing Vista Beta 2 in VMWare.
ah, and our Left-Handed Specialist shows why we need him in the line-up.
those weren’t fireworks, Hendu, those were crap pitches and poor throws from the outfield.
Doyle: 1-1 with his fourth stolen base.
MRI is negative.
The Rockies were running a fricking circle off the basepaths to catch the plate. They were both a good 12 feet off the line.
I just had a flashback to last night.
Reed and Pineiro for Vlad and Jered Wever, the ideal trade.
#115– you mean this BK Kim? “This year he’s at 4.31 through 11 starts, and despite pitching half his games at Coors Field, has only surrendered five home runs on the year. He’s also on something of a roll right now, having allowed no runs and nine hits in 13 innings over his past two starts.”
122: Small sample size.
so, are the Rockies the A’s of the NL?
Pineiro may end up in Tacoma again if he keeps this crap up again. So inconsistent it’s sickining.
Dear Joel,
You suck and I hate you.
Pablo
Hawpe is just killing us.
you just can’t keep putting the ball on a tee to a team that is hitting .300
He’s pitching pure meatballs now. That pitch to Hawpe hung like a sex joke at a wedding toast.
Game over.
This is friggin’ ridiculous. JoeJessica gets an HR?
good thing the bullpen got all that rest last night.
N Hendu, you think?
Damn, even Joe-Jessica is fleecing Joel.
Jake Woods, your life is calling. Or your life’s calling.
God dammit. Hey Hargrove, the Mariners still had a shot at winning this game, but you failed to pull Joel. Pull your head out.
This is disgusting. Pull him and move him off the team, please…
Well, Eddie hasn’t given up 7 (yet)… someone else has, though.
When can Reed go back to just making ONE out at a time?
67: See what I mean!?!
If we had Olerud that wouldn’t have happened.
Did Hargrove give up on this game halfway through last inning? I mean come on… Joel DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING. They aren’t even pretending to care. Not talking to him, not yanking him… just watching like goofs while Joel gets shelled hitter after hitter.
Replace Joel with a pitching machine. No salary, no per diem. Same results. Problem solved.
The way the Rockies are sitting back and swinging feely, it wouldn’t hurt Joel to play a little chin music.
Also, just now the Mariners have someone up in the bullpen. Mike Hargrove is terrible at his job, and he has cost the Mariners a shot to win this game.
Maybe the M’s FO thinks ERA is sorta like stock. Their waiting until its as high as 7 before they “sell.”
Looks like our streak of great play has come down with a crashing thud and we are back to being non competitive again.
well, Hargrove’s managerial strategy is one way to make the general public happy to see Joel on the move out of here….
Woods, the worst with inherited runners.
Anybody have a transcript for tonight’s Mound Conference Theatre?
If I boo from my couch in Hillsboro, OR, do you think Joel can hear me? Please say yes, it will make me feel better.
Joel – you just bought yourself a ticket to Tacoma. Or DFA. I’d actually like to thank you.
His “managerial style” is to finally pull the pitcher when he wakes up from his nap
Finally, Joel gets yanked. BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
for gawdsake Hurdle, let us keep one run.
What is Hargrove what for?
“Before anybody says anything, a lot of people out there have stuff to write about me. They know what to write about me, they know more stuff before me, they have their own opinions about stuff about me and, I mean, you guys were out there, you guys saw the game, you can write whatever you guys want. I have nothing to say, there’s obviously a lot of opinions out there about where I should be, what I should be doing, how I should be doing. Write whatever you want about me. That’s all I’ve got to say today.” – Joel Piniero, June 21
At least Oakland and Texas both lost today.
Waiting for that is.
Joel, repeat after me–”Would you like fries with that?”
155
I was just thinking about that stuff he spewed the other day after he finally pitched in a game we won.
Talk about a player who just needs to shut his stupid yap, take his millions and go home
Pineiro, the over-payed baby.
#148– um,
“dammitdammitdammit, kid, you’re as wild as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rockingchairs”
158–I was just thinking the same thing.
Clearly, Joel is a headcase who does not have the mental toughness to pitch in the big leagues. I bet that the M’s could trade Joel for Jeff Weaver. Jeff Weaver can probably still pitch in this league, and Joel cannot.
I can’t say I particularly enjoy coming back from town to see this score.
#163– ah yes, Jeff Weaver, noted for his mental toughness.
It appears that Joel sucks.
Bring back Tim Belcher and Mike Morgan!!!
Yipee. Thanks Mr. Woods. I wasn’t going to drink tonight, but what the heck.
165: Yeah, he’s a headcase as well, but he still has big league stuff. Joel does not, and to top it off he has many lapses in concentration. The Mariners just need to find a way to get rid of him.
Even though the Mariners need 5 runs to tie, what do you want to bet that C-Rex still takes long, wild hacks trying to hit home runs?
I forgot. Its against Yubet’s religion or something, to think about taking a walk leading off an inning down by five
I don’t think anyone would trade anyone for Joel.
The thing that kills me is: I think Jeff Weaver sucks and, as of late this afternoon, was dead set against signing him. I still don’t want him, but now I see he is an upgrade. Sort of like sewage is an upgrade from nuclear waste.
Can you imagine what the other team must be unloading if we traded them Joel?!
172: If only Steve Phillips were still GM of the Mets.
Why would Ichiro steal in a 5 run game?
Newsflash: Beltre swings and misses at a pitch he couldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.
Gee, when has that ever happened?
Maybe we could break into all them MLB computers and trick some stathead GM into thinking he’s really good?
176
Because he can
Beltre dives away from strikes on the inside corner and swings at balls two feet outside. He seems to see the ball as closer to him than it really is.
176: Because when you’re down 5, small ball is where it’s at. That’s why Hargrove is paid the big bucks.
Lets see if we can even get one measely run this inning.
I don’t like July so far.
176 – Because he is on my fantasy team and I’m behind in Stolen Bases…
ok, so what do we know about lefty Jason Jennings, going tomorrow …
hmm.
June 15 8IP 1R
June 20 7IP 0R
June 26 7IP 2R
Maybe Tampa would trade Seth McClung for Jo-el.
(McClung, 2-10, 6.81 was dead last in starter’s AL ERA. At least before tonight.)
If we fall out of this, Eduardo Perez becomes our most tradeable player!
181. Yeah but you have to be carful not to run yorself into outs when you’re losing by so much.
#187– I’m guessing right about now he’s not quite so thrilled to have been traded into this ‘pennent race’
188: I was being sarcastic.
I like how according to our homer announcers “Jose is having a great at bat.” When we all can see he’s just swinging at multiple pitches well out of the strike zone and barely fouling them off, before settling for a pathetic groundout…sigh
Cha Seung Baek tonight:
4 5 2 1 0 5
6 groundball outs, 1 flyball out
3.19 ERA
192: That’s awful tempting.
Anyone that has a pulse and can walk upright who can pitch is tempting. Satchel Paige’s corpse could’ve gotten more outs.
Somewhere Bobby Ayala is saying,”Joel Pineiro sucks. The Mariners have kept him around way too long.”
do you have to be able to throw the ball all the way to home plate?
Don’t ever show that FSN commercial again FSN.
That would be one time Ayala got something right about baseball, lol
Pineiro you SUCK!!!! Ibanez your GOOD!!!
It’s actually called a freshman year, not a rookie year Dave.
Once again, the M’s offense is on the way…
on the way to letting ANOTHER mediocre starter relax into a groove.
C-Rex my man!
C-Rex must have heard Hendu.
Aaaaaaand the decision on Everett gets that mjuch more difficult from a front-office perspective.
Good to be wrong again, lol
With that hr, Everett moves into second place behind Reed for the M’s most worthless hitter!
C-REX!!! Also, I take back what I said in 170.
It’s funny. In the second inning the Mariners were going to win the West. By the fourth inning they were the worst team in baseball. Whaddya know.
When Everett is hitting, this team generally sucks. Just a pessimistic thought.
I just want to point out that if Hargrove would have pulled Pineiro when everyone else thought he should have the M’s would be down 5-4 now, and not 7-4.
Bloomquist is showing Everett how to hit? WTF?
207–Welcome to the Bipolar Express.
At least Reed will be unable to hit into a DP here.
You don’t hold the bat for the umpire to look at after you check swing Johjima.
Hendu says that trying to hit the ball hard is situational hitting, and that Everett was oh so smart to try to hit the ball hard.
If anybody can pull off hitting into a double play with nobody on and two outs, it’s reed
#209 – that’s our Mike – day late, dollar short
or he could, you know, hit a triple.
#205: Thank you for pissing off Reed.
Reed and Everett. Crazy.
Jeremy!
I am going to introduce a new stat called HAS, or Hargrove Adjusted Score. The way the stat works is one simply adjusts the score based on Hargrove’s shitty decisions. So today’s HAS is 5-4.
Here’s a thought. If Kim is such a tough pitcher on righthanded hitters, why isn’t Petagine playing first base tonight?
Oh, right, Hargrove is an idiot. Sometimes I slip into a fantasy world where the home team’s manager has a clue. I wonder what that is like?
BUNT?!
I hate it when I get excited, and then we ground out to end the inning. DFA YuBet.
222: To be fair, Richie did start the rally in the last inning.
Sure, the M’s bunt when they shouldn’t but don’t when they should.
We should play Petagine at short. This would be humourous and provide added offense.
Can they DFA Grover?
225, yes he did get a hit. On the other hand, who can say what a different hitter would have done in either of his at bats? Or the at bats to come?
Woods has been pitchering really well lately.
Woods should’ve started.
That’s what I was thinking.
I’d rather have Torreabla at short.
For something entertaining, awhile back someone here suggested that when an American League pitcher leads off an inning at an NL park, they should let a fan bat.
I think that would be more interesting than watching a catcher or first baseman play short.
Oh, boy, Rizzs and Hendu, the dynamic duo.
JoeJessica plays a lot of 2nd in winterball, so he would be serviceable at short probably.
A left handed first baseman would be pretty funny to watch play short, besides not knowing what to do he would have to backhand everything!
Not only is Hendu extremely arrogant and pompous, he’s a complete idiot too. Definitely a five tool announcer.
At least we can now keep an eye… make that ear on Rizzs so we know if he does his little jinxing thing that he does.
I’m muting the TV and listening to Ron on the radio. So, you’ll have to let me know if Hendu says anything so silly that it is entertaining.
Going back to Reed and why his “two out with no one” on triple is classic lil’ Jer, take a look at these frightening splits for the last two years:
RISP: .200 (33-165 w/ just 7 doubles and 1 hr)
RISP w/ 2 outs: .108 (9 for 83)
With NO ONE on: .268 (110 for 410 w/ 44 xbase hits)
Can we have a lottery for the date (and year) that he gets his next hit vs a lefty? (Currently 0-16 this year so far)
why would you listen to Fairly instead of Hendu? Hopefully it is to listen to Niehaus instead of Rizzs, not Fairly instead of Hendu, because Fairly makes Hendu look competent!
Baek update:
6 6 2 1 0 7
I guess my quotes were not in the right place, but who cares. We got a real rally going!
I love that “2004 On Pace” B.S. Assuming Ichiro hits .450 two of next three months, then yes, he is on/ahead of pace.
241: I’ll take August 20th, 2007. He won’t be a Mariner.
Kim does this thing where he starts to look in to get the sign from the catcher, and he sort of jiggles his glove and it always looks to me like a balk.
I presume that at the point he does it he hasn’t really started his pitch yet, so that it is not.
Raul will hit into a double play. That is my prediction.
Sorry David, I already picked that date
Here comes Ray “Akebono” King ….
that’s fine. The 20th is a Monday. I’ll take the 21st.
Oh, so THAT’S how you take the starter out before the game is eternally screwed?!
I’d rather have Kerry Wood than Pineiro who’s risky because he’s injury prone. That would be a real trade: a good injury-prone pitcher for a bad non injury-prone pitcher.
250: That is very, very funny.
King, must be a staunch supporter of the Rich Garces/Terry Forster diet.
#242, no I would disagree. For examples of the genius that is Hendu, go back and read the game thread from last night. Then realize that was just one game, and people only commented on a few of his gems.
I guess “Keep the ball down” is at least accurate. Stupid, but accurate, unlike Hendu.
Sorry if that was confusing I ment Wood is injury-prone and they should trade Pineiro for him.
Next on HBO: Ving Rhames in “The Ray King Story” ….
Beltre’s baserunning scares me, but I’m glad he was safe at third.
I guess Ibanez won’t hit into a double play now… at least not likely.
Wow, whattagame.
In other news, I feel like complete crap. Had to go to the ER. I’m better now, but at least the Ms are making me nauseous.
They don’t play baseball in forgein countries.
Utah, for example, has no Major League team.
#262: Did “Dan Rohn” get freed from your large intestine?
Pinch hit for Carl!
Pinch-hit Perez now.
Another C-Rex home run here would be much appreciated.
what the duece! bring in perez!
Even when Everett connects, there’s no uglier sight in baseball than him hacking away indiscriminately ….
Rally Time: Woo-Hoo!
Perez: D’Oh!
Is Perez in the Pacific Time Zone?
Fire. Grover.
As has already been said, there was no reason for Piniero to be left in so long. Mariners should be up now.
That said, WTG Sexy!
Hargrove Adjusted Score: Mariners 6, Rockies 5.
Why does Everett even bother to hit from the right side of the batter’s box?
264… no, just a sudden onset of nausea/dizzyness, with the extra bonus of upchucking.
Everett should never have to face a left hander again.
I guess Grover would rather have Carl hit against King than Perez hit against whoever the Rockies had in the bullpen who was ready to come in.
If Grover thought about it at all, that is.
now that’s a good question. you’d think he’d consider exclusively hitting lefty.
Perez?
Wasn’t this the type of situation for which we picked up Perez? Hargrove is a colossal dumbass, and he needs to be stopped.
#274: Better throw out that Bottle of Syrup of Ipepineirocac ….
277
He actually does against some lefty pitchers (like Moyer when he was with the Red Sox. Maybe even in the “crotch grabbing” game)
280: Is that what ipecac is short for? Huh. I never knew ipecac was short for anything.
Maybe Grover doesn’t know Perez is on the team. I don’t think he pays attention to his surroundings…
It pains me, but you can defend leaving Everett in there. If Perez is put in, Clint just makes the move to the pen one batter earlier.
There you go again, talking about Carl and Grover thinking. Look for smoke coming out the ears and a lightbulb over the head. Otherwise, no, they’re not thinking.
It pains me, but you can defend leaving Everett in there. If Perez is put in, Clint just makes the move to the pen one batter earlier.
That’s true. It may also be true that Perez is not great against righties. Still, I’d rather take that than Everett up there batting right against a lefty.
I would rather have Perez vs a righty athan the other way around.
Is Hargrove managing the Rockies right now?
Did Hendu just slip and say this hitter “set the record for sacrifice blunts”?
This isn’t soccer. Shit.
That should be an error.
Better take out Woods now.
288. I wish he was.
Too bad the Rockies didn’t get that sacrifice bunt down.
Jim- go look and see who has the better minor league stats, Baek or Ryan Franklin.
I don’t think we need the Korean version of Joel Piñeiro.
Holiday: A Dante Bichette for the Pepsi Generation
290: Your first clue this wasn’t soccer: there have been more runs scored in this game (13) than the amount of total goals scored in the history of soccer(8).
I don’t get it. Why is Mateo coming in now? Is Soriano no longer an option in one-run games with runners in scoring position?
Eduardo Perez 2006 vs. RHP: 1 for 11.
Remember, losses count extra because we’re playing against the NL West.
Moonshot Mateo in with the bases loaded. Great. What could possibly go wrong?
I was actually basing the fact that this wasn’t soccer on the fact that the field is shaped like a square.
298
It’s not a “Hold Situation.”
Is Steve Bartman an M’s season ticket holder or something?
i can’t believe we got out of a jam.
Sexson almost had a beer on that play.
Hendu–”Good job by the fans not taking the ball away from Richie.”
He said this as a teenage fan was trying to do exactly that–catch a ball in the field of play.
It’s not a “Hold Situation.â€
Gotta love Grover.
Well, at least he got out of it.
The way Baek is pitching now you can be very confident that he would be better than Piniero. Same could be said about Cruceta.
Nice work, Mateo. Mr. Woods offers you his thanks.
Hendu–â€Good job by the fans not taking the ball away from Richie.â€
He said this as a teenage fan was trying to do exactly that–catch a ball in the field of play.
Saw/heard that, and had a great laugh with my bud here.
Uh oh, Reed with a runner on first base.
Perez’ OPS over the last 3 years against righties: .654
Everett’s OPS over the last 3 years as RHB: .710
So, it wasn’t all that dumb a decision. I still don’t think Grover knew it, though.
Are we going to get a BIDP?
Our guys cannot bunt.
Who wants to bet that Pineiro is in the BP tomorrow and Woods is inserted in as Joel’s replacement in the rotation.
If I had my way, I’d DFA Pineiro right after the end of the game.
315.
That’s because Jose Lopez is the team’s best bunter, remember?
317. No, Yuni is.
Why do we have to wait until the end of the game?
Looks like we’ll have to overcome Reed this inning both in the field and at the plate.
Betancourt has done NOTHING today at the plate fwiw.
ICHIROOOOOOOOOO!
Ichiro!
Holy smoke indeed
I!
the mariners are so good.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ICHIRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ichiro!!!
Ichi!
Because he didn’t have a hit last night, does that make this Ichirevenge?
He needs to hit a triple next time up.
Woot!
Ichi-row-row-row-your boat
Gently down the stream…
man i love this team =)
Ichiro’s homers leave the yard faster than anyone’s.
How in the hell are the Mariners winning this game. The only problem is that Joel gets a no decision, and it lessens the effects this game might have on front office decisions.
Ichiro is simply amazing. It always seems like when he hits a homer, it’s in clutch time.
What a team. That is AWESOME.
Just keep them from scoring the next 2 innings and J.J. will close it out easily.
I’m a little uneasy with Mateo in there. Putz can pitch three innings, can’t he?
Wait, Jim Bouton with a first pitch?? I thought he was persona non grata at most if not all things baseball?
The no decision shouldn’t make any difference. His performance is why this game is so close in my opinion. No matter what he either needs to go to the bullpen or back down to the minors.
Sherrill is warming up.
Hey Hendu, STFU.
Mateo needs removal.
Giving up a near-bomb like that to the 0-fer Piedra is why Mateo should not be in this game.
343. I am only watching gameday. What did Hendu say?
Well, he just said that flyballs like those would be homers in Colorado, then promptly said that with the humidor, those wouldn’t be homers in Colorado.
bullet – dodged
Hendu kept yapping about how Jim Bouton was PNG, how the Yankees never wanted him at old-timer games, how he hit a homerun off of him in A ball, etc. Basically ignoring the game.
All things considered, we’ve gotten some excellent work from the back of the bullpen this game.
“Usually by the All Star break they’re over 150 already.”
I’d love to see some stats backing that up.
Mateo defies expectations once again.
150? Really Hendu? Playing at altitude must really get to them in the second half.
Very productive night for Ichiro. ‘d love to see him get 50 steals again.
Yeah, it looks like Hendu is catching on the Niehas when it comes to talking about anything other than the game.
Did Rizzs say “starter Wendell Kim” or am I imagining things? That’s even worse than Hendu on a slightly worse than average day.
Dang, that Hendu is a genius. We should score more runs. Well, duh…
Where was Hendu yesterday when he could have told us that all we needed to do was score three runs, then we would have won the game.
It’s all so obvious in hindsight…
Wendell Kim is what I heard. That’s hilarious.
It is always nice to see Ichi bounce back after a couple of off nights. He always seems to follow up ofers with big nights. I would have never thought I’d see him batting .355 after the April he had.
Maybe we can package Pineiro and Hendu and get rid of both of them.
All the Mariner hrs have been 2-run homers. Cool. By the way with a lefty in there now I wonder if’ll we’ll see Perez soon.
Richie needs to pretend they walked Raul intentionally.
360. Trade them to the Angels for Weaver and the Wonder Dog, maybe?
Maybe they’ll bring up John Cummings or Jim Converse (I always secretly suspected they were really the same crappy pitcher)!
Maybe we can package Pineiro and Hendu and get rid of both of them.
Or, we could switch them with Hendu pitching and Piniero on the air. I guarantee you it would not be worse!
I’d like to see Wendell Kim pitch.
#340– nah, water under the bridge. and even if Hendu missed it, he was invited back to the Yankees Old Timers Game almost a decade ago and went…
you know, if you hit homeruns, you avoid all that “aggresive baserunning” crap….
Man, that is one high leg kick. Lopez could be at third before the ball left his hand.
They won’t ph with Perez, because the Rockies (since they AREN’T managed by Grover) will surely take the lefty out.
Good eye, Richie. That low and away pitch was calling to you….
Seattle, WA–The Mariners traded Joel Pineiro and broadcaster Dave Henderson to the Washington Nationals for a box of Twix candy bars. “The Mariners got a steal,” said one NL Scout, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
If Glenallen Hill was in lf that would’ve been a triple (I suppose that’s true for any hit that direction)
Ugh, Carl hit again.
So, basically we traded Cabrera for someone to sit on the bench and watch Everett make outs?
Now why would anyone walk Kenji to load the bases for Reed?
ROFL!
Pinch hit!
Now’s as good a time as any for Reed’s first career grand slam.
What’s wrong with Perez again?
I don’t understand why Dinosaur was hitting…Perez?
Here’s Reed with another chance to use Perez… I don’t see it happening, though.
Ok Reed, let’s see something here!
Reed WTF?
370
When asked if it were the regular carmel Twix or the peanut butter kind, he replied, “It doesn’t matter.”
REED IS HITTING?!!! WHY EVEN HAVE A BENCH…GRRRR
so, is this game a prime example of the way Hargrove supports his veteran players by just letting them play their way out of slumps, etc?
0-21 against left-handed pitching is our boy Reed.
All according to Grover’s “throw the game” plan so far…
Yes, Perez and Petagine are both staying on the bench. No matter what happens.
I’m glad we traded away Cabrera so we can have another player get splinters in his ass.
The reason Perez didn’t pinch-hit is because the Rockies have a righty warmed up that they could put in there if he did hit.
David Corcoran: It’s time for Reed to party like it’s 2007.
And now he’s 0-22.
this sucks.
PH with Perez, they bring the righty in, ph Petagine for Perez and you have the at bat you want.
What the **** are we “saving” these guys for?
0-22
Perez hits right handers better than Reed hits left handers though.
No insurance? I’m canceling my Safeco policy.
Because you can’t burn three guys on one play, according to “Baseball for Dummies” Hendu (apparently Joe Morgan’s uncredited co-author).
Reed K’s
Utterly f*****g predictable
Okay, your prediction is still intact.
we’re winning, but it still sucks.
#388, yes, but remember they also have Petagine who isn’t doing anything else tonight.
I have a bad feeling about this inning.
If Glenallen Hill was in lf that would’ve been a triple (I suppose that’s true for any hit that direction)
The memories… The painful memories…
Because, gee, you’d hate to use your bench in high leverage situations too early, like, say the 7th inning, because we’re guaranteed to load the bases in the eighth inning as well…
Is Mike Hargrove developmentally disabled?
399
Exactly
(but he’s doing a great job of sitting there, ain’t he?)
How about that catch by Matthews today against the Astros! I keep watching it over and over, just like I did after Ichiro’s catch on the wall last year.
Not to break up this very justified bitching about lack of pinch hitting, but can we switch gears to bitching about bullpen management? Can anyone explain to me why Soriano isn’t in the game right now?
Lou Pinella knew how to use Perez properly. Can we give him a call and get rid of this Hargrove fool, please?
406
Excellent question
OT
Is Mauer a real actual person or is he really an alien or cyborg or something?
OK, sorry, trying to follow the game outside the country so I’m working with a little less knowledge of what’s going on than I could be. I guess this makes sense.
“The umpire took the blunt on that one.”–Hendu
That might explain his strike zone tonight.
Rock on, George. He’s our lefty specialist–why wouldn’t he be in the game?
I think Mauer is the lead character in “Damn Yankees”, and made a deal with the devil.
My MLB.tv died. Anyone else?
406. Because of the left handed batters coming up.
Can anyone explain to me why Soriano isn’t in the game right now?
Because tomorrow night when Washburn gets blown out in the 3rd inning we’ll need him worse?
Yup, MLB.TV died.
Huh. MLB.tv is back.
Everytime Sherrill does the job (which is quite often) I get so mad about having to be subjected to that loser, Thornton, last year
Hit a triple!
We all knew Betancourt was the second coming of Ozzie Smith, but his hitting over .280 is a fabulous development. He is awesome.
“Most players have 3 home runs in a ballgame.”
Yeah, sure, Hendu.
“Most players have three home runs in a ball game. That’s normal.”
Really, Hendu?
Where is a Wes Craven character with an axe when you really need one?
I just realized everybody in the lineup has a hit! Thats got to tie a record.
Hendu has issues
At least his wife probably doesn’t interrupt the game by insisting on watching a Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman DVD…sigh
Do you have to be so utterly frickin predictable, Hargrove? Jesus.
Just another service provided by us at the Agressive Baserunning Team.
Sure glad we don’t have runners on 2nd and 3rd.
But I understand sending him there… Ichiro is so easy to double up and all.
A couple of Adrian Belted runs would be good right now.
Like we really need to be sending a guy with our best hitter up and no one out…ugh Grover!
426. I take it that you are a tad bit peeved by the attempt to steal.
Boy, it’s a good thing Grover saved all his pinch-hitters so he could use them here in the 8th.
I think the Forrest Gump reference went sailing right over Hendu’s head.
Who is smarter: Forrest Gump or Hendu?
How did I know he was going to quote Forrest Gump? Make the bad man stop.
Good thing we don’t have Yuni on 3rd with just 2 out and Lopez coming up to bat. Damned good thing.
GROVER THE WIZARD:
Steals on ONE friggin’ pitch- PITCH OUT/RUNNER IS OUT
Ichiro NEVER gets the sign to go- DP/INNING OVER
Grover looked really bad tonight. Is he drunk?
Well, that potentially fruitful inning disappeared fast.
Whatever Grover and Hendu have to drink before the games…DON’T GIVE ME ANY!
Fingers crossed for our amazing Putz.
Honestly, though, I think I would have changed my name.
Looked like a ball to me
Great win tonight.
Putz! You da man!
Whoa. What a game — winners play like that though, don’t they?
Nice comeback tonight, and stellar work from the bullpen; 6.1 innings of shutout ball.
Putz is money. Just money.
If fans can’t get excited about some of these guys, they don’t deserve a baseball team.
Wow.
What a come back.
I wonder if Grover still thinks the team is better with Guardado as closer.
Why is Everett’s finger bandaged (or somehow covered)? I’m guessing someone slammed it when he was giving it to them.
Win!
You’d think it was 2001.
Ah…I haven’t had this much fun watching M’s baseball in a long time.
Indeed, a great game to watch.
I gotta watch the post-game to see if anyone will be able to bring themselves to praise Joel for “keeping us in the game”.
You never know — with baseball players anything’s possible.
Tonight proves that teams can sometimes win in spite of their Managers.
Ichiro’s OPS for July is 3.333
I think he’s going to sustain that.
Wooooooooooo.
I love this team. Baseball is fun again.
Joe… Post #30
Your good
One game out of first!
I think someone needs to create a new line of delicious desserts–
the Ichiro Bombe, the Sexson Bombe, the Joh Bombe….
#454 – otoh, Krueger nailed Joel to the wall pretty good. No sugar coating there.
“Joe-L will be good next time.”
–Mike Hargrove
“Joe-L will be good next time.â€
–Mike Hargrove
In a Red Sox uni…facing us.
463: Nah, Epstien only likes cheap bad pitchers.
My god, we are 1 game out!!!
ONE GAME!!!!
UNO!
I can’t believe I’m saying it, but I believe the SODO MOJO is back/making a comeback.
Let the Mariner Mania begin.
It’s pretty ridiculous. This time tomorrow night the M’s could be sharing first place with the A’s. First place!
And for all the party poopers, we know all the caveats, just keep ‘em to yourself for tonight.
What a great game, and an amazing night to be at the ballpark. Took a friend from Los Angeles who was visiting for the first time and couldn’t have asked for a better evening to show off our fair city. She bought a “VOTE FOR ICHIRO” button about ten minutes before Ichi’s homer gave us the lead.
But like everyone else, I’m absolutely puzzled by Hargrove’s decisions in the game, from sending Yuniesky with nobody out and Ichiro up, letting Sherrill finish the eighth instead of Soriano (even if it worked), not pinch hitting for Reed with the bags loaded, etc. And of course this happens on seemingly a nightly basis.
Do Grover and Bavasi even talk about these things after the game? Does Bavasi call Grover into his office and say, “Look, I want to keep my job. Do you? Are you even remotely aware of why that one move was so stupid?” etc.? Can Bavasi really have confidence in Grover? If so, they both should go. I’m not at all saying fire Grover now while the team is riding high, even though I don’t think he deserves the job, but I really just hope Bavasi is smarter than Grover and biding his time to make a switch.
That said, awesome win. Go M’s.
I actually take back my 8th inning pitching criticism. You want Sherrill pitching to Helton in that situation and there’s another lefty right ahead of him. Mateo’s pitching well enough and you don’t want to waste Soriano on just one batter. And I like to imagine that Hargrove knew they’d pinch hit for Sullivan and didn’t care because he knew Sherrill could handle it. So, I’ll leave my criticism for the lack of pinch hitting and for allowing Joel to take the mound in the 3rd. Either way, thrilling game, even just to follow on the internet. This is exciting.
[Pineiro]
I can see the 8th, but I’ll add giving Yuniesky the green light with Ichiro on deck and nobody out to your list of boneheaded moves.
Back from the game. Whoo hoo, I’m starting to have confidence in these guys. The players, that is. Hargrove not so much. I figure he thought about pinch hitting, looked over at Perez, thought he was Petagine, and said to himself “No, he pinch hit a few days ago – probably still tired.”
Two things to report from the game. First, Joel got boo’d hard. Very hard. Safeco was pretty full, and when he started giving up runs, the fans started booing loud. When Grover finally pulled him, the boos were the loudest I’ve heard in Safeco since A-Rod’s first return. I take back what I said yesterday. I think the fans are through with Pineiro.
Second, remember back when Eddie was the closer? He’d usually start the game in the dugout or the clubhouse, and meander out to the bullpen, oh, about the fifth or sixth inning, since, y’know, as the closer and all he wouldn’t be needed before the eighth or ninth. Well, he ain’t the closer now, but he still started off in the clubhouse and didn’t make his way out to the pen until the fifth tonight. Sigh.
Oh, and it was Ibanez 1, Angry Bees 0 tonight. Great way to start the game!
I agree on the Sherrill comments. That’s his job, and he had to face the first righty since the Rox put him in as a pinch hitter, so you can’t do much about that.
However, as I stated at the time, Soriano should have been used when Mateo was put in (relieving Woods). Of course, it’s not a “hold situation” and we know Grover…
Mateo did well tonight, but quite honestly, we all know that overall he will be a very mediocre pitcher. When you’re in a one-run game (it was 7-6 at the time), with sacks full of Rox, you have to go with your best. Soriano was fully rested. There was no excuse for keeping him out.
Good job Mateo, poor management (good/lucky escape) Groudini.
Good job M’s, pathetic AA BP quality job Piñeiro.
Whoa… Blaine Newnham of the Times, of all sportswriters, is advocating the merits of a young team. No knock on Newnham, it’s just surprising that a generalist sportswriter in his 60’s can see what many of his younger cohorts are blind to when they cart out the same old tired – you win with veterans – cliche.
Short philosophical digression on winning: it can be seen how — for an example — in the World Cup, France suddenly discovered how to be a team against Spain. You could tell they couldn’t really believe it themselves. But then, in the first 20 minutes of the match against Brazil, whatever they’d found, they confirmed, and from then out were able to motor on inner confidence. The Portugese were rooting for France. But now, I’ll bet they’re having second thoughts. When a team comes together like that, they become unbeatable…
Teams come together when they are not only winning, but internalizing what’s making that happen.
I’m hoping that’s what’s happening here. All other considerations aside, what it’ll come down to is for them to be able to take that on the road.
Go M’s!
per Drayer, Hargrove had decided before the game that Perez wasn’t playing — apparently between hearing the news on friday he rented a car, drove his family home to Cleveland from Cincy, slept 2 hours & caught the flight to Seattle around 6 am…
#471– Guardado goes out late every game as he is in the clubhouse finishing the treatments he still does for the rotator cuff injury until about the 3d or 4th inning– he has a series of exercises & stretches pre-game, goes back in during the 2nd & does them again, & then does more after the game.
The way Baek is pitching now you can be very confident that he would be better than Piniero. Same could be said about Cruceta.
Baek’s striking out 5.42 guys per 9 innings pitched in AAA, and his lifetime numbers are around 6. Ryan Franklin has better WHIP, BB/9 and K/9 numbers during his time in Tacoma…and we saw what his true ability was once we got past 2003.
In other words: Baek’s 5.52 ERA in Seattle in 2004 was probably close to his real level of talent and ability, were we to promote him and stick him in the rotation. As such, he’s not much of an improvement on Piñeiro (ERA as of today: 5.88).
Cruceta, on the other hand, has better peripheral stats all around (ovverall minor league numbers), as well as this year. His ERA is significantly higher because Baek’s had more unearned runs scored while on the mound; if you look at runs alone, Baek’s allowed 37 in 86.1 IP, Cruceta’s allowed 39 in 88.1, very, VERY close to identical.
Given that, I take the guy who’s missing more bats. Baek has almost no margin for error for success in the majors, because in the majors he’s going to have a K rate at aroundf 4-5 to 5 per 9 innigs, the floor where you get hit out of the majors; basically, he has to be lucky and have an Elmer Dessens/Ryan Franklin kind of fluke run where he’s carried by his defense and “at’em balls”. The thing is that ANY pitcher can have that kind of run- including Francisco Cruceta. The difference is that Cruceta might strike enough guys out that he can stay around for a while.
That being said, I’m not sold that either of these guys are much of an answer, but if you’re going to make a move with Piñeiro that’s strictly internal, Cruceta’s your guy.