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		<title>By: Rick L</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/07/12/adam-jones-to-the-majors/comment-page-4/#comment-123835</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 171 I meant to say best &lt;i&gt; right-handed &lt;/i&gt; hitter.  I assume Perez will put the lie to that eventually, but he hasn&#039;t been with us long enough to count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 171 I meant to say best <i> right-handed </i> hitter.  I assume Perez will put the lie to that eventually, but he hasn&#8217;t been with us long enough to count.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>might Quiroz (as the 3rd catcher in Tacoma) be going down to AA, so Oliveros gets bumped one back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>might Quiroz (as the 3rd catcher in Tacoma) be going down to AA, so Oliveros gets bumped one back?</p>
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		<title>By: Huskermariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/07/12/adam-jones-to-the-majors/comment-page-4/#comment-123739</link>
		<dc:creator>Huskermariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if this already got covered (not enough time to read the whole thread, will do tonight...) but why would Oliveros get optioned back to A ball?  Isn&#039;t that a shock to the system - you&#039;re at AA, you get called to the bigs -- for one day -- then you&#039;re told you&#039;re being demoted to A ball.  What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if this already got covered (not enough time to read the whole thread, will do tonight&#8230;) but why would Oliveros get optioned back to A ball?  Isn&#8217;t that a shock to the system &#8211; you&#8217;re at AA, you get called to the bigs &#8212; for one day &#8212; then you&#8217;re told you&#8217;re being demoted to A ball.  What gives?</p>
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		<title>By: darrylzero</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrylzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dobbs, for real?  How hard is this?  Platoon Choo or Snelling with Perez at DH, rotating in LF w/Ibanez to give him some days off against LHP too.  What do we need Dobbs for?  To fill the all important Bloomquist-backup IFer?  Isn&#039;t he left-handed also?  Insane.

Seems to me like if they could just manage to summon the balls to ditch Everett (god it&#039;s getting tiresome saying that), a Choo platoon with Perez at DH full time would be pretty perfect for what the team actually wants.  There&#039;s no pressure to spell Ibanez against LHP, which they really don&#039;t want to do anyway, because Choo shouldn&#039;t face major league lefties.  They don&#039;t have to worry about &quot;rookie mistakes&quot; by Choo in the field.  They can control how much they want Snelling to play and how much they want him to rest either in Tacoma or from the bench, get him ready to be the full-time LFer in 2007.

It&#039;s too bad that it would be perceived as such a slap in the face to platoon Ibanez with Perez.  That would be a deadly DH platoon.  If we did that and Snelling was ready to play full time in LF, that&#039;s a team I could be really, really excited about.  Of course, without Snelling, it makes more sense to platoon Choo than Ibanez, but we can dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dobbs, for real?  How hard is this?  Platoon Choo or Snelling with Perez at DH, rotating in LF w/Ibanez to give him some days off against LHP too.  What do we need Dobbs for?  To fill the all important Bloomquist-backup IFer?  Isn&#8217;t he left-handed also?  Insane.</p>
<p>Seems to me like if they could just manage to summon the balls to ditch Everett (god it&#8217;s getting tiresome saying that), a Choo platoon with Perez at DH full time would be pretty perfect for what the team actually wants.  There&#8217;s no pressure to spell Ibanez against LHP, which they really don&#8217;t want to do anyway, because Choo shouldn&#8217;t face major league lefties.  They don&#8217;t have to worry about &#8220;rookie mistakes&#8221; by Choo in the field.  They can control how much they want Snelling to play and how much they want him to rest either in Tacoma or from the bench, get him ready to be the full-time LFer in 2007.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad that it would be perceived as such a slap in the face to platoon Ibanez with Perez.  That would be a deadly DH platoon.  If we did that and Snelling was ready to play full time in LF, that&#8217;s a team I could be really, really excited about.  Of course, without Snelling, it makes more sense to platoon Choo than Ibanez, but we can dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Which means Doyle is, I think, going to see his outfield playing time (and most likely CF) increased by a significant margin as they donâ€™t really have anybody else there to play CF.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, they can play Choo in CF, since word is he&#039;s going back down. Dobbs is reportedly being brought up to replace him. Not sure how they get Dobbs on the 40-man, maybe put Morse on the 60-day DL or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Which means Doyle is, I think, going to see his outfield playing time (and most likely CF) increased by a significant margin as they donâ€™t really have anybody else there to play CF.</i></p>
<p>Well, they can play Choo in CF, since word is he&#8217;s going back down. Dobbs is reportedly being brought up to replace him. Not sure how they get Dobbs on the 40-man, maybe put Morse on the 60-day DL or something.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;First of all, Jonesâ€™s June-July performance level simply cannot be discounted from a statistical analysis perspective.&lt;/i&gt;

Like a 25% summer sale or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>First of all, Jonesâ€™s June-July performance level simply cannot be discounted from a statistical analysis perspective.</i></p>
<p>Like a 25% summer sale or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Rust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dave, great job letting us in on the Jones promotion. I am excited.  Perhaps itâ€™s only my naivete, but count me as quite optimistic and encouraged about this move.  

First of all, Jonesâ€™s June-July performance level simply cannot be discounted from a statistical analysis perspective.  If we assume his 2006 obp of .332 is his â€œtrueâ€ performance, then the probability of drawing his June-July split AT RANDOM is a mere 2%.  If a scientist were testing the hypothesis â€œJones shows significant improvement in June-Julyâ€  his answer would be â€œyes.â€  The scientist concludes this because the sample size is accounted for:  if the same obp was drawn from a sample only half as big, the probability would be 7%, and the scientist would answer â€œmaybe not.â€

I think we agree that the numbers heâ€™s putting up at Tacoma confirm a â€œskillsetâ€ that will carry him to the bigs.  In addition, I believe that the demonstrated improvement weâ€™ve seen over this season is consistent with his improvement last year and demonstrates a â€œmindsetâ€ that suits him unusually well for the next challenge.  I think he can be the exception to Daveâ€™s conservative approach, and I donâ€™t think it should be a foregone conclusion that more time at AAA is crucial to his development.

Of course, thereâ€™s the question of how his promotion will affect the Marinersâ€™ chances.  Some of your readers may turn up their noses at a banner that requires only 85 wins, but this reader thinks it would hang at the Safe just fine.  I think the Jones promotion has a fair probability to help their chances a little, a slight probability to help a lot, and a low probability to hurt significantly.  The examples Dave lists in #152 seem to fit this probability profile.  Plus, in lieu of any cost (in prospects) to future chances, it actually helps by starting Jonesâ€™s adjustment now.  Sure, if a bona-fide 5- or 10-VORP CFer comes along at little cost, snag him.  But I really think Bavasi knows the probability of that is perhaps lowest of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dave, great job letting us in on the Jones promotion. I am excited.  Perhaps itâ€™s only my naivete, but count me as quite optimistic and encouraged about this move.  </p>
<p>First of all, Jonesâ€™s June-July performance level simply cannot be discounted from a statistical analysis perspective.  If we assume his 2006 obp of .332 is his â€œtrueâ€ performance, then the probability of drawing his June-July split AT RANDOM is a mere 2%.  If a scientist were testing the hypothesis â€œJones shows significant improvement in June-Julyâ€  his answer would be â€œyes.â€  The scientist concludes this because the sample size is accounted for:  if the same obp was drawn from a sample only half as big, the probability would be 7%, and the scientist would answer â€œmaybe not.â€</p>
<p>I think we agree that the numbers heâ€™s putting up at Tacoma confirm a â€œskillsetâ€ that will carry him to the bigs.  In addition, I believe that the demonstrated improvement weâ€™ve seen over this season is consistent with his improvement last year and demonstrates a â€œmindsetâ€ that suits him unusually well for the next challenge.  I think he can be the exception to Daveâ€™s conservative approach, and I donâ€™t think it should be a foregone conclusion that more time at AAA is crucial to his development.</p>
<p>Of course, thereâ€™s the question of how his promotion will affect the Marinersâ€™ chances.  Some of your readers may turn up their noses at a banner that requires only 85 wins, but this reader thinks it would hang at the Safe just fine.  I think the Jones promotion has a fair probability to help their chances a little, a slight probability to help a lot, and a low probability to hurt significantly.  The examples Dave lists in #152 seem to fit this probability profile.  Plus, in lieu of any cost (in prospects) to future chances, it actually helps by starting Jonesâ€™s adjustment now.  Sure, if a bona-fide 5- or 10-VORP CFer comes along at little cost, snag him.  But I really think Bavasi knows the probability of that is perhaps lowest of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>162.  Jones won&#039;t be platooned, unless it is with Choo, because he is a right handed batter.  This puts Bloomquist, by far our best hitter (for average) (damning by faint praise) against left handed pitching, into the role most USSM people want him to be in, that of a pinch runner and occasionally giving someone a day off.  Jones can easily prevent being platooned with Choo by hitting better than Choo against right handed pitchers, which shouldn&#039;t be hard to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>162.  Jones won&#8217;t be platooned, unless it is with Choo, because he is a right handed batter.  This puts Bloomquist, by far our best hitter (for average) (damning by faint praise) against left handed pitching, into the role most USSM people want him to be in, that of a pinch runner and occasionally giving someone a day off.  Jones can easily prevent being platooned with Choo by hitting better than Choo against right handed pitchers, which shouldn&#8217;t be hard to do.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Probably something in the .240/.280/.400 area.&lt;/i&gt;

Reed so far in 2206: .217/.260/.377. If you add 5 singles to Jeremy&#039;s totals, you basically get identical numbers to what Dave&#039;s predicting.

So...basically, we&#039;re looking at 3 more months of Jeremy Reed in CF. You can survive having one dead weight in your offense, but with C-Rex in the lineup, we run the risk of having a really bad offense if anyone goes into a slump (like 2005 or 2004 when we had massive lineup holes everywhere).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Probably something in the .240/.280/.400 area.</i></p>
<p>Reed so far in 2206: .217/.260/.377. If you add 5 singles to Jeremy&#8217;s totals, you basically get identical numbers to what Dave&#8217;s predicting.</p>
<p>So&#8230;basically, we&#8217;re looking at 3 more months of Jeremy Reed in CF. You can survive having one dead weight in your offense, but with C-Rex in the lineup, we run the risk of having a really bad offense if anyone goes into a slump (like 2005 or 2004 when we had massive lineup holes everywhere).</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#152-- and sadly, those potential numbers for Jones would still be an improvement in center....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#152&#8211; and sadly, those potential numbers for Jones would still be an improvement in center&#8230;.</p>
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