Game 96, Red Sox at Mariners
Jamie Moyer vs Kyle Snyder, 7:05 pm
Kyle Snyder today, Kason Gabbard tomorrow, and Jon Lester on Sunday – not exactly what you expect when the Boston Red Sox roll into town. Snyder was claimed off waivers from the KC Royals earlier this year, so that should tell you something right there. He’s given up 8 runs in 9 2/3 innings since joining the Red Sox, but he does have a 1/12 BB/K, so there’s at least a reason to think they might see something in him.
Also, Jose Lopez isn’t with the team – he’ll be back Sunday. Personal matter. You know what that means – a weekend of ignition with Willie Ballgame. Let’s just pray he’s not hitting second – of course he is.
Classic Hargrove Line-Up for this one. Yes, Everett’s still here and hitting 6th. No, there’s still not a single legitimate reason why.
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OMG, does that mean Willie Ballgame for 2 days at 2b? On the bright side, at least he shouldn’t go in to CF in the 7th as a defensive replacement…
And… hitting second he is. The idiocy parade continues unthwarted.
Against a right-hander, no less. Good God, Hargrove is a piece of work.
Lucky for us or a couble of Red Sox is hitting very well against left-handers.
If the M’s stick to their promis of hitting Perez against lefties, that will mean two straight days, starting tomorrow, of an Everett-less line-up.
I meant “promise.”
The way Beltre is hitting lately, I’m not sure that he’s any better choice as the #2 hitter than WFB. WFB, AFB, what’s the difference?
You don’t need Beltre hitting second, either. What about Johjima, or even Betancourt?
#7 – “The way Beltre is hitting lately, I’m not sure that he’s any better choice as the #2 hitter than WFB. WFB, AFB, what’s the difference?”
Lately? Like the last six games batting .285 .355 .500?
Yes, I agree. Why so down on Beltre–especially him hitting 2nd?
Just for contrast, Willie’s last six starts have netted him a line of .190 .291 .231.
I have nothing against Beltre hitting second, but who do you hit 3rd with Lopez out? Ibanez with Sexson cleaning up? Nah. I’d be going Ichiro-Betancourt-Beltre-Ibanez-Sexson-Johjima-Bloomquist-Jones-Everett with these 9.
Beltre had a good series in Toronto. He went 1 for 9 in NY. What I was looking, though, at was his last 13 games — some 65 plate appearances — in which he’s gone 220/292/373.
Obviously all of those are small samples.
Screw Everett. Let Jaimie bat. He’s a better hitter than Everett.
Oh, I see, Bloomquist 2nd and Beltre 3rd. Why didn’t I think of that?
Well that would be my personal choice, 14, but with those nine “hitters” you have to put Everett somewhere.
Plus I would really like to see Everett’s tirade when he is penciled in batting ninth. It would be funny.
My choice would be to bat Everett 4th but when he comes up to bat call him back and send Perez out to pinch-hit. Against the right-hander. That would produce a much better tirade.
Willie’s last 13 starts: .181 .265 .250
Any way you look at it, the camparison is unfair.
Even more so when you take into account that most of Willie’s numbers come against only lefthanders.
Craziness in Tampa: Russ Ortiz gave up four runs without recording an out, and then the relief gave up two more that were charged to him. 6ER in 0.0 innings. Even Bad Pineiro doesn’t do that.
That’s true, because then we could see it in actual game action. For better results, give him the take sign on the first pitch of the at bat and then pull him.
18 – I would love that.
Does Hendu have a central nervous system? I was waiting for him to come on the air saying how hot and miserable it is here in Seattle today, but he instead has that crazed grin he always has.
so is Jones the backup MIF tonight?
I guess Jones is the backup infielder and Bloomquist is the backup CF. And neither of them can be pinch hit for. Brilliant roster construction.
Maybe I’m crazy, but doesn’t Valle sound (more) black and Hendu sound (more) white? I mean, if you only had their voices to go by and you had to assign one to each.
What does it mean to sound black? I’m just asking.
so if one of them or Betancourt gets injured, do we see Beltre at SS or Ichiro in CF?
Former Mariner farmhand David Arias, ladies and gentlemen ….
Who didn’t see that coming?
Hey, this Ortiz guy is pretty good. Reminds me of a prospect we used to have, that Arias guy.
Where have you gone, Roberto Kelly?
There’s some top of the order Ignition.
Sigh … major league hitters would have murdered that hanging curve. For Willie, it’s a 250-foot flyout.
Safeco field is killing Willie. They should move the fences in.
Look in the Dictionary for the definition of ‘punching judy’ and you will see a picture of Willie Bloomquist.
Who would you see if you looked at the definition of “punch and judy”?
I think punching judy will get you about 10 days in jail.
I hope the M’s aren’t going to practice their dread reverse voodoo again this game, and turn a journeyman pitcher into Cy Young.
Actually, I missed my chance for a great Brett Myers joke with the punching judy line.
Moving the fences in to help Willie would pretty much eliminate outfield grass. But hey, the shortstop would have something to lean on in long innings.
Does anyone know if Lopez is ok? I mean, personal reasons can be good or bad. I don’t want to pry into the personal part, but it would be good to know everything was ok.
If you didn’t know, the game’s on in HD on Direct TV channel 95.
Niehaus said “family business”.
37. A glove puppet show for children.
When Everett blows this 3-0 count and K’s, I won’t be surprised.
The correct term is “Punch and Judy hitter”.
http://www.baseballtips.com/slang.html
a popout works too.
Niehaus: “Lot of good kids on the farm.”
Let’s hope they can pitch.
ESPN’s K-Zone is much better than that inferior tracer.
Gad, what a fatty from Jamie. Even Willie could have hit that to the warning track.
Here in Massachusetts, the NESN announcers said that Alex Gonzalez is now 4 for 4 off Moyer in his career. Explain that. Gonzalez isn’t patient enough against all the rest of the hurlers in MLB, but he kills the guy whose whole game is preying on hitters’ impatience. WTF?
If Moyer’s going to start going bad at Safeco, Ms better be moving fences *tonight.*
Manny (running to first): Damn, that’s a hit against the yankees!
Hendu’s insight is so deep…thank god for the ability of th “FSN tracker” to illustrate the complexities of his “low-and-away, high-and-in” lesson.
Snyder’s gone 4 or 5 each of his first two outings so M’s fans shouldn’t get too worried yet.
Damn. Alex usually makes that play.
Jeff P. needs to get in Adam Jones ear and tell to take a few pitches.
I don’t like the tracker.
I was just complaining to someone on the phone that an umpire calling a high strikezone was bad for someone who tops out at 85 MPH & whose pitches down in the zone were being called balls, when BAM, out goes the pitch into the bullpen…. was it my imagination that Snyder was getting some wide pitches at the top of the zone called strikes? Ones that would have been outside the wacky Fox box?
I don’t like the tracker because it provides fodder for more endless Hendu maundering.
Geez, Willie. Another hanger, another weak swing for an out.
Ichiro must just want to strangle him.
Can Jeff P. also get in everyone’s ear, and remind them that this is Kyle Snyder?
In, maybe Sickels’ biography of Feller or David Kaiser’s book about the 1948 season, I think I read that Feller had some kind of thing against Vern Stephens (who didn’t serve in the service during WWII but played SS for the Browns) and used to call him a name I want to offer to M’s fans for your second place hitter, “the all american out”.
Yes? No?
Yeah, surely unto God if they wait on this guy a bit he’ll give them a pitch. They can’t all screw the pooch like Willie.
Why even bother getting on base, Ichiro? Not like Willie is likely to drive you in.
So far so good, guys. Just keep losing until management gets at least a tiny bit smart. Or even just less stupid.
Ok. I’m back, watching, and determined not to be a fair-weather… argh.
so, I’ve had the sound down (due to said phonecall) have we mentioned the lack of run support yet? Because it looks like it’s happening again….
oh, and I’d say the ball was carrying tonight, so it can;t be that.
58. AMEN!
I just badmouthed Tek’s swing (which I’ve really grown to dislike) and as usual he got a hit.
If he’d just throw some coin my way . . .
“It’s tough for a ballplayer because when you play every day you don’t know what the day is.” — Hendu on why he doesn’t know exactly how old he is, having blown off so many birthdays.
Also: if you’re an idiot who never looks at a morning newspaper.
I like the name “the all american out”, but I certainly wouldn’t compare Willie to Vern Stephens. Stephens was a very good hitter.
Hmm..Two former M’s farm hands just letting them have it.
so, at what point in “need to get Willie some at-bats” does the fact that those at-bats are producing absolutely nothing come into play?
Over at Baseball Think Factory, a guy was reviewing video of the high draft picks and cited Kapler as a quintessential example of a guy with a horrible swing of disconnected upper and lower body as a comparison to a high Braves pick he didn’t like.
So . . . he almost takes Moyer out. I’ve gotta be quicker to badmouth my Sox.
Hmm..Two former M’s farm hands just letting them have it.
ah, heck, they don’t need to be former Mariners to let them have it….
Stephens was excellent and didn’t deserve the name. But Willie B . . .?
The ball Moyer is throwing seems to be carrying better than the one Snyder is throwing.
Clearly due to the atmospheric and wind changes between half-innings.
We’re seeing today just how much Safeco normally helps Jamie Moyer. With the heat, the ball is carrying as it more nearly would in a neutral or slightly hitter-favoring park rather than it’s extreme anti-flyball self. I doubt Moyer is pitching any differently than he always does, but his catchable flyballs from his 81 mph ‘fastballs’ are . . . not.
kinda like the TwinkieDome?
73 – Good point, though it does hurt a tad more when former guys especially the so called “M’s Catcher of the Future” who was traded away for..well, we don’t need to be reminded of that now do we?
Big Papi’s got good hands. Just don’t ask him to move more than 6 feet for a ball.
Dear Hendu,
It’s TRACKER, not TRACER..you friggin moron.
No love,
RD
Ugh. Varitek! 2-2 really should’ve been the curve. I think he got a bit too infatuated with Snyder’s fastball after he’s gotten away with some.
I thought Valle just about bit Hendu’s head off a few minutes ago — I think maybe he gets on people’s nerves besides ours.
Did ESPN copyright their K-Zone? FSN’s TRACER is another poor attempt to match ESPN.
argh. that pitch by Snyder was a strike?
Valle makes me miss Fairly. This tracker is so fucking annoying. Delete it now!
Whatever dirt C-rex has must be good to keep him in a Mariner uni.
I see Carl’s maintained his dedication to fitness and conditioning. Some guys never learn.
I need to turn the sound off. I can’t handle heariing about how many inches a pitch breaks and x v y with whatever Valle is saying.
Erm..Ok I guess it is Tracer according to the graffic. Unless the Graffic guy is a idiot..
Either way, Hendu is still a moron. I’ve been in broadcasting for over 10 years now, and If I sucked as bad as Hendu..I’d be begging for change at First and Pike.
so, who is tonight’s home plate umpire?
And starving.
89. Valle?
Rob Drake.
Hendu. My bad.
And Youkilis’s bat has looked really realy slow for two plus weeks now.
The M’s sure did take their suck pills today. C-Rex took extra.
Turn out the lights…eh ya’ll should know the rest of that song.
The only bonus to tonight, is Youkilis is on my fantasy team…so there’s some runs for me.
Yrrrrgh.
Well. At least we won’t be able to complain about a lack of run support being the cause of this loss.
Time to get the bullpen up, I’m afraid.
#101– well, we can still be baffled by it, though….
“Why get the bullpen up, I mean, hey, the Tracer tells you all you need to know?” Hendu
Hendu, I mean, hey why take him out. He’s just missing his spots as the Tracer clearly shows and well, hey, he’s only given up FIVE dingers…#@#!^%
Holy crap.
And the bombs bursting in air..
so are we approaching numbers that only Elias can handle here?
My, my. A regular derby out there.
I guess saying that this is a shelling, is a grand understatement at this point.
Pull the fences back.
OK, hey, even the Tracer now says to take him out. But you’re probably saying at home though, I mean, hey, it’s not as frustrating as the fact that C-Rex is still on the team, let alone in the line-up everyday and may even have a longer future with us. And you’d be right about that, at least.
I think todays game just took Jamie up to last season’s HR total…
Taylor Hicks and Silicone Chicks…Man, this country is headed to hell in a handbasket.
so, it’s not just Jamie. my, now I’m really looking forward to sunday’s Washburn game.
so true 114
Man, Safeco is really murder on RH hitters. Maybe it’s only OUR RH hitters.
They can’t stop talking about how the heat’s making the ball carry tonight. For half the batters, anyway.
great. Jake is also throwing those low pitches that are nowhere near the umps strike zone.
Manny *loves* DH’ing
must be all those big strong kids on the Sox team.
Moyer is still acting as his own agent, right? Since this IS the Mariners, and they just don’t get rid of those fan-friendly vets who remind us of our glory day connections, of course they’ll try to sign him again for next year, I’d think (not hope, you understand. My hope would be that next year, he’s coming out of the bullpen for the Memphis Chicks). That being the case, I’d suggest that Ms management make any negotiation session with Moyer the agent on behalf of Moyer the ballplayer contingent on his sitting down with them and watching the tape of his 4-plus innings of stellar pitching in this game tonight.
Might help drive his price down.
Ugh. Nice bobble Coco. It’s not enough to never contribute on offense.
Nothing says stop the bleeding like Jake Woods..
I’m still trying to figure out why he’s on the roster…
Rally time.
you know, Kyle Snyder started this game with an 10.03ERA….
Okay, our balls are starting to carry too. Just past 3rd base, of course, but it’s a start.
Woods is on the roster because he is A) left-handed and B)Grover needs seven warm bodies to fill out the bullpen.
and it’s important that every 2 weeks someone else gets the chance to sit in that really prime spot on the bullpen bench Jale is usually hogging…
The M’s did nothing to earn that run. But I will take it.
If they start showing this Tracer every game, I really will have to stop watching.
Ok, I’m lying. But I won’t like it.
looking at the Fox Tracer? some of those pitches were strikes for the kid earlier….
I’d be shocked if Craig Hansen doesn’t pitch part of next inning, at least, if not even this inning.
They score 8 on 5 homeruns, we finally one on a wild pitch. Probably wild because of how well the ball’s carrying tonight.
It’s the heat, you know.
woohoo, sac fly!
The all american out.
Thanks for swinging at the eye high pitch.
The Ignitor.
well, of course! two of the other AL West teams lost today! naturally this game is nosediving, because god forbid you take advantage …
Yeah, sac flies are just what you need down by seven runs. At least it kept him actually, you know, trying to hit.
Hey, Willie did not lower his OBP. What more can you ask?
Rizzs and Hendu are easily the worst announcing team in the history of televised Baseball.
actually, I’m finding the tracer oddly interesting (prob. as the sound is muted) because — if it can be trusted– it is illustrating just what a whack zone this ump has– the low outside strike for Snyder that was a ball for Moyer & Wood, the high ball for Snyder that was a strike for him in the earlier innings
As a Sox fan watching Snyder I find myself wondering how David Wells’s knee is.
I wonder how the excuse squad will rationalize this game.
#144 – The M’s have never seen Snyder before. The Red Sox jumped on the few mistakes Moyer made.
Rizzs and Hendu are easily the worst announcing team in the history of televised Baseball.
ehh..not sure about that. Those homers for the Angels are pretty damn craptastic.
I’d take Chip Carey at this point, and I’d like nothing better than to take a Fungo to his jaw.
Jeff Clement goes deep in Fresno … #3.
Snyder shows how tough it is to pitch when you’re afraid to throw your fastball.
Hargove walks to the mound. “Give me the ball.”
Moyer: “I didn’t know you were working tonight.”
Oh my god. Was that a fastball that Ibanez missed?
Raul is in his annual mini-slumpette. Because he is Mr COnsistancy, you know.
149- Or you could go with the scene from Major League.
“You can go get him now..”
I was going to suggest that Snyder intetionally walk both Ibanez and Sexson to get to Everett.
Don’t worry. The M’s will get another shot at Snyder. Tito doesn’t take anyone out early until the postseason.
my gosh, it’s only been 5 days since Woods last pitched– what the heck happened?!
146 – that would be the ChiSox announcers…
I would not have guessed that Raul would strike out on a fastball from this guy.
From the totally random file:
Woods looks alot like my stunt guy when I was doing afternoons in Boise Idaho. We called him “Smooch”..because the stations name was KISS FM.
/random.
Given his job description, sixth man in the pen and mop-up innings eater, Woods is not that bad. At least Grover does not use him like he used Thornton early last season. Rarely does Woods pitch in high leverage situations.
in fact, rarely does Woods pitch….
last inning, boston was actually trying to give us five runs to make it interesting, but we passed
156. Yup. The nightmare combo would be Ken Harrelson (white sox) doing play by play with Rex Hudler (angels) doing analysis. The two worst homers on the planet.
Maybe we should put in a right-handed pitcher to address the problem created by Safeco’s friendliness to right-handed power hitters combined with the opposing team’s apparent plethora of right-handed power hitters.
so, if the rest of this homestand continues in this fashion, does that eliminate Dave’s buyer AND seller notion?
160 — So where does that leave Fruto? He is lower on the list than Woods.
Wouldn’t it be cool if Bavasi walked out and DFA’s Everett while he was batting? Like after two strikes?
Charo has made her plastic surgeon very rich.
They just have to take that Tracer machine, tie it to Hendu’s neck and throw both of them off the end of Pier 52.
#165– well, somebody has to entertain the other guys with his soccerball juggling skills and happy dancing feet….
164. The Red Sox are bringing up an emergency starter for tomorrow’s game. I think they’d be delighted to win tonight and Sunday if they could.
So yeah, the pitcher with an ERA that doesn’t match his xFIP, who seems to be tanking after the All-Star break? It’s not Gil.
For those keeping track, that’s 10 and 2/3rds IP in Jamie’s last 2 starts, and 14 runs (13 earned). Yeeeeeaaaah.
Please bring in a lefty so that Perez can bat. I can no longer bear Everett plat appearances.
Everett plat
The way he moves, might as well be a subdivided piece of real estate.
Great. Just what the Sox need. One of their two emergency starters presently in the rotation gets hurt. DL squared.
Curto just said that Jon Paul Morosi (formerly of the PI, IIRC) said in today’s Detroit paper that the Nationals asking price for 2 months of Soriano was Adam Jones, Stephen Kahn and Eric O’Flaherty … Bowden apparently also thinks Humberto Sanchez, Jair Jurrjens and Cameron Maybin from the Tigers would do.
141 I have to agree, unless it’s Val and Rizz. How about a Val and Hendu? I hate the Wonder Dog, 146, but these guys are worse. Great point made 159; use of Thornton and others last year was as gut-wrenching as C-Rex or Bloomer this year…
man, I’m tired of looking at Kapler working the outfield.
Supposedly, Bowden asked for Verlander and a couple serious prospect minor leaguers from the Tigers in return for two months of Soriano.
It’s creeping Chuck Lamar-ism. Ask for the sky. Maybe someone will be as dumb as the mets and say “Ionosphere? Okay.”
somebody 86 me, so i can go read a book
These situations are more mirthful when you’re up 8-2.
125 players in the American League have gotten at least 200 plate appearances so far this year.
Carl Everett’s ranks:
BA: 117th
OBP: 110th
SLG: 113th
VORP: 120th
Just saying.
175: Woody Woodwood would have made that trade.
wouldn’t it be safer just to let Ortiz go stand at 1st?
He let his emotions get the better of him that time. Oh well.
hey! when did Billy Haselman become the 1st base coach?
i feel sorry for david ortiz’s emotions. keep your chin up!
Haselman’s been the first base coach starting this year.
Easy Rizzs.
Damn, that was a nice throw.
That was one hell of a play.
somehow I missed him planted there when they visited Boston…
Now that he’s in a park where a 375 fly to right will go out, Trot hits the 355 foot fly to left for an out.
In Fenway, where that fly would be up off the wall, Trot never ever hits it. He hits the 375 fly to right that ends up 5 feet short of going out.
Enacting the myth of Sisyphus on the baseball diamond is gutty and gritty.
Trot & Willie should have a grit-off.
so, how many of those Boston fans they just showed have brand-new shiny Boston gear?
Probably a lot of ‘em. But, hey, I think all the diehards knew that that was part of what would result from the team finally winning it.
I’d give Kahn and O’Flaherty for Soriano. Maybe. If I were drunk.
Go Yuni!
Grit-off… I love it. Or maybe Willie and Carl could have a git-off.
Er, that came out sounding differently than I intended it.
And, I may be biased, but I think Trot would totally win a grit-off with Bloomquist. Trot’s gritted his way to the waste of a lot more playing ability than Bloomquist.
Jones!
Is there any hope everyone won’t soon be calling him AJ?
Adam Jones drives in Betancourt with an RBI Double. Let’s hope we see that happen regularly for the next decade.
Jones? I wouldn’t know him from Adam.
Hansen’s probably asking himself if Tek will ever call for him to throw an inside fastball to a righty. I know I am.
198: No…he’s Jonesy.
BTW, Yubet’s back at .300 with that single.
Who gives a damn about Keith Foulke? He sucks.
Hendu is defending showing the bunt down by five.
There are no words.
Willie! Yay!
Love to see that kind of unimpressive failure.
you know, if Willie really was gritty, he’d have stuck his butt into that inside pitch. Instead, GIDP.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have Ignition!
Willie has now officially been designated the worst hitter in the solar system
Can’t just stick to making one out, eh Willie?
We need to get WFB more playing time
Willie “Rally Killer” Bloomquist.
There’s Willie, pissing on the fire.
Jonesy’s fine. I can accept that.
damn double play.
Alright. That was pretty gritty. A GIDP, Gritted into Double Play.
Mr Clutch, Beltre with the impressive two outs and NO ONE on single.
205 – Had the same thought. Then he started backpedaling after it was clear Ichiro had no intention of bunting.
Shame Beltre’s hit there meant nothing because he was batting after someone who has no business at all in the 2 hole.
Well, that DP kinda wiped out a promising inning.
and with Jose in Venezuela, they can’t pinch-hit for him, unless they stuck Adam back at ss….
Don’t worry, the next time Wille gets on base, Beltre will go yard.
That might be 2008 or so.
215 – Yeah, it was Beltre’s fault no one was on. Gotta love criticizing someone for getting a hit. You should join the NY media and take on A-Rod.
Delcarmen’s been the best guy in the Sox pen other than Papelbon for the last few weeks. Timlin alternates between looking really good and gettin by, somehow, on smoke and mirrors.
220
Sorry you didn’t get the message that it was showing how he fails virtually every other time when runner ARE on.
I already made it plain as day who’s fault it really was
When was Beltre’s last hr? For the eight figures he gets paid, he should get some criticism, shouldn’t he?
I am shocked, SHOCKED to see Bloomquist oh-for-three so far tonight! And hitting into a DP, no less! You know, this sort of night probably doesn’t happen if (*sob*) he’s..just…given…the…chance…he’s…*EARNED*…to…
PLAYEVERYDAY!!!
/sarcasm off.
Ya know, I know he has value in a limited late inning defensive replacement/pinch runner role. I don’t care. I’d rather they release this boob than fire Hargrove/DFA C-Rex combined.
I don’t suppose he’ll be eligible to earn so much in arbitration this off-season that this front office will show him the door, will he? I mean, at some point he’s looking at millions, accruing all of this major league service time, right?
*disgustedly*
Brian
doesn’t Willie have one more year on his two-year contract?
222 – Not that kind. It’s exactly the silliness that A-Rod is putting up with in NY. Poo-pooing hits because the Yankees happened to be ahead. Criticize him when he fails, not when he succeeds.
“Sorry you didn’t get the message that it was showing how he fails virtually every other time when runner ARE on.”
Oh, just so you know, Beltre has a BETTER OPS with runners on than with the bases empty.
Beltre is just nasty with the leather!
Oh my god. What a fantastic recovery by Beltre.
225. – John, you’re going to harsh his buzz, man, clouding the issue with *facts*, and all.
Wow.
215
Sorry John. Not trying to pick a fight. Just getting tired of Adrian’s inability to do SOMETHING when it matters.
With NO ONE on base: .246avg and 5 homers
RISP: .196avg/.283slg and not a single homer
RISP w/ two outs: .170/.255slg
Say what you will about Beltre’s hitting this year, his defense more than makes up for some of it..(notice I didn’t say all)
Did Woods refuse to throw a strike because he’s anti-semitic?
Man, way to go making that amazing play in the field when there was NO ONE OUT, Beltre. If you were really “Mr. Clutch,” you’d have done that with two out, a tie game, and the sacks juiced!
Sheesh!
/sarcasm off.
Kidding. Walking Gabe Kapler is giving him a base he’d very likely not get otherwise.
233
He plays great defense, gold glove caliber probably
But besides Willie and Carl, no one is more unreliable in the clutch this year. And he simple doesn’t hit homers anymore.
“Rizzs and Hendu are easily the worst announcing team in the history of televised Baseball.”
You have obviously never seen a game on the YES network.
Quick question for you guys.
I heard on story on boston radio this afternoon that Moyer is, supposedly, notorious for occasionally moving up and pitching from a little bit in front of the rubber on his infrequent fastballs. Have you guys ever heard that before?
The numbers for Fruto:
15 IP, 4.80 ERA, 10 BB, 15 K’s, 893 pounds.
That Fruto juice is loaded with Vitamin K!
If I see the Tracer one more time…I’m going to throw something.
Seriously…is there an alternate channel that doesn’t ahve that?
Corco — it doesn’t show up on MLB.tv. But damn, you sure hear about it.
For crying out loud. Rallies do start with two outs. Do you have to bash Beltre so bad that you bash him when he gets a hit?
In “close and late” situations this year Beltre is .328/.394/.547. His OPS in those situations over the previous three years was 65 points higher than his regular OPS. His OPS is also higher over the last three years with runners in scoring position, and with runners in scoring position and two outs.
You know, we actually have had some chances to be right back in this thing. Of course our best chance is if someone BESIDES Grover was in charge of pitching decisions. Moyer may have been left in just a weeeeee bit too long. (Eyes rolling in head)
Wow. Betancourt is very impressive. I can’t imagine seeing him play and voting for Derek Jeter to receive a gold glove.
242: I don’t think he was bashing Beltre, it was more likely a comment on the WFBGIDP that immediately preceded it.
242
I’ll repeat:
He’s making how many million a year?
He last hit a homer WHEN?
He’s hitting .196 with a slugging under .300 with RISP
He’s hitting EVEN WORSE with RISP and two outs
How is that not a problem?
Believe it or not I am sorry if the JOKING comment of a two outs and no on single offended so many. It still doesn’t change how unproductive this year has been, does it?
FWIW 245 was smart enough to figure it out…sheesh, lol
since when have Gold Gloves been awarded on defensive merit?
#234– of course Gabe says that he is “not really a practicing Jew”…
244 – Jeter’s glove may not be as impressive as Betty’s is, but he did make that crazy play in the ALDS to get Jeremy Giambi out one time, so he’s OBVIOUSLY a clutch defender…
230 – Beltre: Runners on .729, empty .719
“But besides Willie and Carl, no one is more unreliable in the clutch this year. And he simple doesn’t hit homers anymore.”
OPS RiSP:
Beltre: .585
Yuni: .608
Ichiro: .665
Reed: .545
Willie: .506
Carl: .523
And a lot of Adrian’s big blown RiSP opportunites happened in his black hole of an April before he moved up in the order.
Good? Hardly. But I don’t hear you blasting Yuni’s non-clutchness.
245 – No, he wasn’t.
And the argument started with “runners on” which was provably just false, so he shifted to stats he could find to support it.
No one here is saying Beltre has been great or worth his salary. Let’s just not go down that A-Rod road, because it’s silly, that’s all.
“But besides Willie and Carl, no one is more unreliable in the clutch this year. And he simple doesn’t hit homers anymore.â€
Am I the only one that hates the use of the “Clutch”?
I can’t stand it.
If Yuni was making 8 figures and was SUPPOSED to be the power bat, you bet I would. Plus, Beltre has been in the majors just a lil’ bit longer than Yubet, hasn’t he?
Any list that a player is on that has Carl, Willie AND Reed, should tell you all you need to know about what a disappointment they’ve been imho.
oh, next you’ll be telling us there is no such thing as ‘clutch’….
Wow! Less baseball, more ball girl.
There is no such thing as clutch.
255- I wasn’t going to go that far..but still I hate the world. Clutch is something that’s in your car, if you drive a stick that is.
Ugh. Terrible high, hanging curve to Johjima. Delcarmen is not on his game tonight.
Have any of these visual broadcast geniuses explained how this Tracer thing is supposed to work: how is the break measured, where front-to-back on the plate are the pitches being spotted?
If Beltre could “drive a stick” better this discussion wouldn’t have gone this far.
He’s been a disappointment on offense. How could he be categorized as anything else?
Betancourt is clutch. That’s clutch shit right there.
I kind of hate the world too, but I hardly think that’s relevant here.
YES! Te amo, Yuni.
man, Adrian had a nice May & June– I hadn’t looked at his month by month numbers….
WHOA OMG WHO PLAYS CENTER?
Yuniesky Suzuki
Don’t worry Tek. Just because the kid hit the pitch on the black for a double last time doesn’t mean you shouldn’t keep calling for every single frigging pitch to be right there this at bat, too.
Heh. Valle said “take a team for the swing.”
Okay, so, Ichiro plays center or, umm, Dobbs plays second?
When we see Ibanez in center I am going to scream. Or Dobbs at 2nd.
great. Hargrove finally notices Dobby the Bench Elf.
Grover actually going for runs NOW, rather than worrying about details later? Must have learned something last week.
But watch. Ibanez will play center. I’m almost willing to bet money on this.
I bet he forgot he didn’t have Lopez.
has Dobbs had an at-bat since the All Star break?
yeah, v. Toronto.
Or earlier this week too in NY, as Damon plays first, but the Yanks still win. Granted, us putting in Mateo helped that as much as anything, along with their newest team member: Mike Reilly
Whoa, a pinch hitter!
Hmph.
“He’s been a disappointment on offense. How could he be categorized as anything else? ”
Dude, no one here is saying he isn’t? Why do you keep changing the discussion?
You said he’s worse with runners on and he just isn’t. That’s it. No one here is saying he’s been good.
Dave, Post 181 is incredible. A DH hittng that poorly and still playing regularly? Who could ever have dreamed up such a scenerio?
Grover still hasn’t gotten the message that players tend to do better in important situations late in the game when they haven’t been sitting for a week or two. Same goes with pitchers unfortunately for the back end of our pen.
263- That’s what I get for typing a tad fast.
What are the Mariners this year in pinch hitting?
OH GOOOD!
Rooster Cogburn in center.
Right, Beltre at second makes a lot more sense than Ichiro in center.
Beltre to 2nd? Wow, I didn’t see that coming.
i can’t believe it. he got the defensive alignment right.
Lotsa good ideas–some comments
1–release Everett NOW (yes pay the salary if you must)
2– ask Jamie Moyer to retire NOW
3–bring up kids to take their places
4–Ask Hindu to keep his yap shut
5–hire Chip Caray to replace Old David ‘forget his name’
6–hope the kids brought up do the job
7–. . . ‘wait ’till next year. . . .
Every little kid in new england must be imitating that Big Papi gesture of spitting on his batting glove then clapping his hands together
I don’t recall Beltre ever playing second. Shortstop, yes. Second, no.
I hope Beltre has to turn a DP…
That said…if Ichiro can’t play center, I guess this is right.
And the Giants pick up Shea Hillebrand..
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2526825
294 – Good.
if Trot & Willie have a grit-off, I think Emiliano & Ortiz should follow it up with some wrasslin’. or a hot-dog eating contest.
The Giants?!
He’s not 38 yet!
280
I honestly did mean with RISP, that’s why I posted THOSE stats to show why I felt this way. And CLEARLY he does suck this year when he does have runners in scoring position, doesn’t he? Wasn’t intentionally trying to “change any discussion.”
Look, I’ve been a fan since early grade school when Maury Wills was the manager. I felt like I was the only kid in the Treasure Valley who even knew who the M’s were. Listened to the radio virtually EVERY game throughout the 1980’s. Not a fair weather fan or anything like that.
Nor am I trying to put down the team or make you feel bad, just getting sick of a supposive big time player who has a big BIG time contract hitting the same if not worse than David Bell.
kill manny!
Whoa.
Is Fruto’s control really that bad? That was behind Manny.
ok, is he overthrowing because of adreneline, or are his hands just a little damp?
I actually saw Manny today. Going back to my office after work. Why he was anywhere near Capitol Hill at Noon is beyond me.
Yes Hendu, Manny is well known for his cat like refelxes.
294. Great, there goes the whole Richie Sexson to the Giants trade Dave suggested. Man.
After work. No. After Lunch. Proof reading is the key to life.
washing his ears with his paws, purring, stretching out in the sun…..
uh oh. Can we rent a middle infielder now for the DP?
oh wait. There’s one in center. Dammit.
Nooooooo! Don’t bring in Mateo!
Did he chase a ball of yarn?
oh boy. Mateo. That’ll fix things.
yup, because you really want to bring Mateo into a bases-loaded situation.
well, he will get the bases un-loaded.
As my brother makes pitchers say “Strikes are for chumps”
Chaves: So, kid, what’s the problem
Fruto: The fat is getting in the way.
Chaves: Yea kid, you’re huge.
Fruto: I like food – sue me.
Chaves: Okay, well, we’ve got some ham in the dugout. Just throw strikes.
Fruto: Mmm, ham.
The NESN graphic listed Fruto’s weight 170 pounds. When, at first communion?
so does everyone keep running out to remind Emiliano to breathe?
What is the on-field delay?
Human rain delay in action.
this is one of the weirdest managed games I’ve ever seen/
Niiiice.
Now that he’s fouled out, Nixon must *really* like that call on the 3-0 pitch.
whoa, Dobber! you’ve been practicing!
Fruto = Scary this inning. Rookie-ness in action.
Man stupid top of the fifth.
Fruto’s balls-strikes ratio is quite impressive.
He’s 170 like he’s 22.
Crisp coming through with a hit?! That seems like his first one since the first week of the season.
#323– well, not so much the going-to-your-right, though.
The consensus in the org. is that Fruto is really 27, 28, something like that.
BTW, Manny never touched the plate. Wasn’t even close.
Mateo? You’d think the game was tied or something.
Oh good, Mateo’s in. Everything’s going to be all right…for the Red Sox.
Nooooooo! Its a camel I mean Mateo.
I buy that.
um, left. my right. oh, never mind.
gosh, why would anyone think Young Emiliano wasn’t just a boy?
just because you can do it all, and suck at it, doesn’t mean you can do it all.
298 – I understand that. My point was the narrow one that I made.
I like Beltre and will defend on the rare opportunities that I actually can.
I think Kapler’s crappiness might trump Mateo’s.
At least he’s not facing a lefty
They’ve “only” torched him for a .396 average this year
Oh great. They’re lauding him for his “rubber arm” and all of those innings he logs. Uh, that’s sorta been the problem, hasn’t it?
Rizz and Hendu come with the “He changed his sox!!!”
Like that’s going to help..
I guess that should read “hasn’t it BEEN?”
Oh, well. Were not in extra innings, so Mateo should be fine
#331– well, wouldn’t want to break our streak of umpirical misadventures, now would we….
They need a new name for the Tracer. All I think of when I see the word “Tracer” is the Mercury Tracer, which was better than the Ford Escort. And this is definitely not better than the ESPN deal. Although I guess the ESPN deal would be more like a Toyota Corolla, in which case this works. So never mind.
Julio Mateo’s LD% (26.3%) is almost as high as his GB% (27.3%). That’s absurd. It’s almost as likely that someone hits a rocket off Mateo as it is for them to hit a groundball.
342. Yeah fine as in only giving up 3 hits instead of 5.
This is a horrible game.
DFA Mateo. I’m ready for this game to be over.
Heh. Bases loaded..Mateo should now be more at home. ugh..
Gonzalez walks about as often as our team does, so this should be interesting
Does anyone really think Grover is still awake. It is getting late for him, isn’t it?
He exhausted himself by pulling Jones.
That was far more action than he is capable of doing.
Mateo got an out without giving up a run! It’s a miracle. But he still looks like a camel who’s hump is failing them.
gosh, I hope that last run won’t come into play as they start the inevitable 9th inning comeback!
350 – Yeah I think it’s past his bed time..Hassey needs to maybe kick his seat to try and wake him.
I used to be impressed by how well he would deploy the Orioles’ bullpen to hold leads the few times they got ahead of the Sox in the years when Hargrove was the O’s manager.
He’s probably still on New York time.
354: Why would he do that?
Get Rohn up here to finish this off.
you know, it’s hard to sustain a rally when every other hitter in the line up has an oh-fer.
For real, I did hear that Stengel used to doze off on the Mets’ bench in those “glory days” in the early 60’s
Great Bloomquist is going to be up this inning.
You have to PH Perez for Bloomquist now, I don’t care about Timlin’s handedness.
Can we pinch hit Soriano for Bloomquist? He’s a better hitter and easily has a better arm
hey! it’s Michael August Timlin!
Timlin must have pretended like he didn’t hear the bullpen phone, muttering something like, “I was really comfortable in this chair. Why do I have to waste my team in this one?”
Soriano used to be a CF.
on the other hand, I could believe Papelbon was actually 22…
Yuniesky Betancourt has 22 hits this month. He has 21 singles and the home run off B.J. Ryan.
365
Exactly!
Ichiro. It’s time for the game to be over. 12 pitch ABs are BAD.
especially if all you are going to do is ground out.
Those 22 hits, by the way – three more than Carl Everett has since the start of June.
Get back, we have fly-out ignition.
you know, the Timlins contributed one of the best recipes ever to the Mariner cookbooks…. the chocolate pizza.
so, a gritty 0-5.
LOL. Suzuki battles Timlin for, what, a dozen pitches? Then the all american out pops out immediately.
There’s a contrast.
Sheesh.
That makes Bloomquist, what? 0-for-5? So he’s below .250 now, average-wise. Heh. I don’t know why he wants to play every day.
After all, small sample size is all that keeps him from hitting below his weight.
Ichiro faced 87% if Timlin’s pitches that inning. How about that!
It always seems like a bad idea to get behind by a td and a two point conversion…especially in baseball when you’re at home where you can’t hit a hr.
Thanks for putting up with a Sox fan in here. 3.5 up on the Bund feels pretty good.
Now there was 3 hours and 30 minutes of pain.
371 – If you and the rest of us can notice these things, then what in the hell is the Mariners FO looking at?
Crotch grabs perhaps?
Captain Jason grew up to be a large young man.
Did we seriously get beat by Kyle Snyder?
This was a guy that wasn’t even good enough for the effin’ Royals?
Sigh
Captain Derek? Captain Jason? … isn’t it odd that a team named the Mariners have never had a Captain? I think at the very least Edgar should be an Honorary Commodore, or something.
At least the A’s lost.
The silver lining is we did just put the Yankees a little futher out of first place
#355: I think the problem is Grover’s still calling for the same guys from his old Orioles clubs. Jim Staton’s down in the bullpen trying to match names as best he can.
No out, two on, Bullpen phone rings
Hargrove (over phone): “Get Calvin Maduro warmed up!”
Slaton (muttering): “Maduro? We ain’t got no Maduro. Hey, Mateo, get warm!”
A walk, a single, and a HR later, Mateo enters the game.
Two walks and a HR later, the bullpen phone rings again
Hargrove: “I need Jorge Julio!”
Slaton: “Julio’s already in the game.”
Hargrove: “What? Fine, get Yorkis Perez warm.”
Slaton: “Perez? You pinch hit him last inning for Jones.”
Hargrove: “I did? What about Sean Douglass?”
Slaton (mutters): “We ain’t got no Douglass. You mean Sean Green?
Hargrove: Groom? No, I don’t want Buddy Groom, he’s a lefty. Who else we got left out there?”
Slaton: “J.J. Putz, he’s rested.”
Hargrove: “B.J. Ryan? No, I told you, I don’t want a Lefty. Let’s leave Jorge in the game.”
Slaton: “Fine. Hey Fruto, get some more coffee. Gonna be a long night.”
I saw this one at Safeco. I have never been to a game in Seattle with so many visiting fans there, and they made their presence known. Of course, they had several appropriate moments to express their allegiance.
388- Hit the nail smack square on the head.
Just got back. God damn was that a sad sack of a game.
388 is hilarious.
Im in Boston for the summer, so I acutally got to watch the game last night. The second Papi hit the dinger in the first, i knew the game was over.
388 is comedy at it’s highest lever. Great stuff.
sigh….so the 0-5 with the double play means that Willie Ballgame was responsible for 6 outs…wow!
Heads up guys the Mariners are playing… C-Rex in left.
re 394: Ouch!
394: Today’s lineup makes me want to cry. I seriuosly keep clicking gameday to see if maybe it will change.
Besides removing our 2 biggest bats from the lineup (was it REALLY necessary to give Ibanez a day off today…couldn’t he have waited till tomorrow when Lopez is back?), we’ve got freaking Perez at DH and Everett in LF…should be the otherwayaround.
and Bloomquist shouldn’t be hitting second. Hargrove has to be trying to get fired running this lineup out.
How does this work? Early in the year, Sexon can’t find his ass with both hands and can barely walk but Petagine sits and sits and sits. Suddenly the worst player on the team has a fit and we do this again? Confused in Seattle.