Game 99, Blue Jays at Mariners
DMZ · July 24, 2006 at 6:24 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
7:05. Joel Pineiro v Casey Janssen. Getting either pitcher’s name wrong in the thread gets you a 24-hour ban, because it’s Monday.
This lineup brought to you by those dumb split-ended sparkplugs:
RF-L Ichiro!
2B-R Willie “The Ignitor” Blooooooooomquist
3B-R Beltre
LF-L Ibanez
1B-R Sexson
DH-0 Everett
C-R Johjima
SS-R Betancourt
CF-R Jones
Fun fact of the day!
2006, the post-collapse switch-hitting Carl Everett versus righties: .241/.309/.388 (232 AB)
2003-5, right-handed platoon player Eddie Perez versus righties: .239/.303/.351 (188 AB)
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Well, you gave yourself away, because there are no “fine drinking establishments” in “downtown Bremerton.” Though the city just announced plans to convert the old downtown firehouse into a brewpub ala Engine House No. 9 in Tacoma, which roolz.
Matt … they have a big screen at the Ale House?
And actually, I have to give a shout out to the Filling Station Tavern. I walked in there a few months back fully expecting a dive bar, and found a surprisingly nice, friendly ‘joint’ to hang out in. Food’s not as good as the Ale House, but is respectable pub fare, nice plasma TVs for game-watching, and lots more beer on tap, as well as the full selection of top-shelf cocktail ingredients.
Now, if only I can get them to quit the stupid karaoke nights…
Hmmm … yes, promising. Other than the Brad Paisley and Bon Jovi wannabeez.
Jim, nope, no big screen at the Ale House, just some 20+ inch screens in the corner of the bar. To watch a game, really, you want the Filling Station Tavern.
and my Grandfather was teetotal, so his choice of establishments would be suspect anyway…
They closed a bar in Bremerton? Ah, say it ain’t so, Ollie.
Yeah, the Navy actually bars its personnel from the nastier bars … they go under pretty quickly thereafter.
Kingston’s too far to drive. Cloverleaf sounds good to me. Do they have wireless there so we can all bring our laptops?
Yep, you’ve been there, Jim! That’s the north end of the county for ya! The nice thing is that, on any given night, a group of three or four people can ‘take over’ the bar. Not that many people there, you get the game on TV, and start rooting, and all is good. New ownership, too, trying to convert it into a relatively ‘family-friendly’ place. I think Silver City is their goal.
Let’s do two nights … one in Bremerton, one in Kingston. Come on, Marble … it’s not like driving to, say, Olalla.
E-mail me at jthomsen@kitsapsun.com
oh, and I like Delucci.
For those watching on TV when Hinske caught that ball against the stands did anyone see a big fat walrus-like man leaning against the railing?
I’m there!
Waaay back from 269
Thanks! Jones indeed DOES look like Eric Davis. I just knew he resembled someone, and couldn’t place it either. About 206 years ago, Davis amazingly amassed 27hr’s and 80 steals in the same season. The next season, all he followed that up with was 37hr’s and and 50 steals!
Can you imagine if Jones could even do half of that? Who knows…maybe someday soon he will. Reed sure won’t.
Fwiw, Corcoran reminds me so much of a much of a younger Kramer from Seinfeld 😉
And the radio this morning told me that Michael Richards turned 57 today. I’m thinking he’s got a few years on Corco.
I can’t believe I missed the discussion about Jim moving to Canada.
Derek – if you have a firm job offer, moving to Canada is pretty easy. Or if you’re a qualified tradesman (please send welders). The labour shortage is getting such that people who really shouldn’t have jobs are now working. Anyone with the skill to be a competent waiter, for example, has a job as an office manager or an EA somewhere.
Jim – that paper has the popular nickname the Victoria Times-Communist. But at least the bias is consistent.
All addresses in Canada are also exempt from the MLB blackouts (except for Jays games) so you could see all the M’s games online.
And your taxes would go up.
I probably wouldn’t own property, being, you know, a Communist. Um, a journalist. Whatever.
Me loves Vancouver Island. I’m vacationing for a week in mid-October in Ucluelet.
I’m thinking I need a cool accent at this juncture of my life, anyway.
Yep, he’s back after visiting Jose Jr. You already give your son half of his DNA; you already give him your last name; you already give him half of your facial features; that’s enough.
That’s enough for me! DRAFT HIM NOW!
We can call him Junior! =D
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Oops. That should read “…reminds me of a much younger version of Kramer…”
Plunked ‘self down before a screen in a newish sportsbar, not one prime enough to recommend but the AC worked. A few thoughts on the game from the 4th inning:
Joel Pinada looks soooo unimpressive. Fastball at consistent 88 but remember the Safeco gun reads high; no particular movement, and he doesn’t keep it down in the zone. Curveball is good, supposedly, every 3-4 games, but on nights like to night is barely a major league pitch, no sharp break or location; oh, and he hangs it pretty good *eeek*. Change-up is definitely his only above average pitch; you can’t read it at all in his delivery, the best part, he get’s a nice break on it for a swing-and-a-miss, and can catch the zone with some regularity for the called strike. For a guy who’s so pitch _inefficient_, it’s amazing that he walks so few guys. His whole game now seems to be to try to tease the batters to expand their strike zone, and he expends a lot of pitches laboring to get up in the count. Joel does seem to mix pitch and location well so there’s no pronounced pattern. In essence, he aspires to be Moyer from the right side. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pinade hang around the game for another 5-6 years, bouncing from team to team wherever an org needs a 5th starter who knows how to pitch and can handle it when a batter smokes a couple of his mistakes. —But here in Seattle, we need to just move on. Please.
Sherrill is more than a LOOGY, and we see it again tonight. He Ks Glaus swinging with a well-located fastball. His velocity seems to have dropped considerably from when the Ms picked him up from the indys, but he’s got enough stuff and location to be effective for an inning at a time. Hargrove won’t generally use him that way, but then Grover overmanges his pen so no surprise.
Fruto: Man does this guy have an ugly, herky-jerky, Fosberry flop of a pitching motion. It’s easy to see why he’s walking a guy an inning with a motion like that, and I wonder how he’s going to stay healthy. I’m not too caught up in it as long as he can get some results, but *yeesh*
Adam Jones just LOOKS like a CFer: good height, long limbs, quick acceleration when the hitter swings, long efficient strides covering ground in a hurry, goes back to the wall well, great body lean. He may be raw now, but he’ll cook once he’s marinated well.
I remember when it was Beltre-or-Glaus? I was a Glaus man. Three-true-outcome guy with enhanced totals in all regards, and a fine 3Bman himself. Looks OK now, but they both have several years to go on their deals.
After Betancourt grounded out on the first (or second?) pitch in the 7th, the camera gave a shot of Hargrove talking to him in the dugout, or rather using Eduardo Perez to do so. Fairly commented on this, and mentioned that Betancrout had seen 9 pitches all night, speculating as I was that the discussion was to get YB to see more pitches. But that’s not the point: We slag Grover for poor in-game management, and there’s a lot not to like there, but the strength of his we rarely see, and I think it’s real, is man-management. Grover was going to have to use an interpreter for the conversation, but he didn’t use a coach; instead, he called on Perez who’s only been with the team a few weeks and scarcely knows YB. Why? ‘Cause Perez is a ‘professional hitter,’ who works the count, walks a bunch (from the side he can hit), and mashes his pitch when he gets it. And it can’t be underestimated the importance here of Eduardo being the son of Tony Perez, however much the Ms announcer over hype this. Tony Perez has massive, massive credibility with virtually all Latin hitters. He was THE GUY, the first great one after Orlando Cepeda to make big money and get famous, and much better thought of as a leader and community exemplar. We can bet that the Ms coaching staff has been trying to get YuBet to take more pitches for, well, A YEAR. Now, having to reiterate it, Grover gets into the loop the _player_ on the team who could have the most impact on Betancourt, and just possibly mentor him a bit when the coaches aren’t around. This is a big part of what managers have to do to bring team’s together and enhance development of guys who aren’t finished players. I do think that Hargrove knows how to manage _players_, even if he’s too rote and unimaginative to manufacture any advantages from the bench.
Cyrano de Bergerac: Always one of my favorite plays, the big, fruit tart, Romantic confection of it. I’m always rooting for him to dodge that block of deadwood and get the girl in the end, no matter that I know how it always ends. *snifff*
. . . If they’ve got Trippel Carmeliet on tap, I’d almost consider taking a bus to the Eastside, since my preferred pub can’t seem to line up a keg lately.
I’m a Glaus fan too. He’s a .250 hitter, but he can slay. Difficult to say how Safeco may have effected him.
He’s good Sexson playing third with solid defense, but an injury risk, no doubt.
It’s gonna be tough to bring in any righty sluggers while at the Safe.
Jim Thom in#209: My God, Tallet _does_ look like the actor who said that. Didn’t end up with an arrow through his back in this instance, though.
I remember when it was Beltre-or-Glaus? I was a Glaus man. Three-true-outcome guy with enhanced totals in all regards, and a fine 3Bman himself. Looks OK now, but they both have several years to go on their deals.
In person, Glaus’ knees looked terrible, based on his speed going back for some foul pops that didn’t reach the seats. I’m guessing Toronto’s turf isn’t helping matters.
I mention this because it is the only thing I feel that I could add to this game thread. I’d rate this as one of the nicest game threads to read in a while. Most of the beaten-to-death topics were avoided, or at least only touched upon quickly. Good work.
One read on Glaus at the time was that really he should be ticket for 1B, but that he insisted on signing with a team that would play him at 3B. And furthermore, that his moving to 1B lowered his value relatively. I still think he’ll end up at 1B, though, so his declining knees don’t scare me off. As long as he hits, a place will be found for him. Safeco would hurt him like other RHs though. I’m in favor of doing a tummy-tuck on the LCF alley wall at the Safe in the offseason.
After Betancourt grounded out on the first (or second?) pitch in the 7th, the camera gave a shot of Hargrove talking to him in the dugout, or rather using Eduardo Perez to do so. Fairly commented on this, and mentioned that Betancrout had seen 9 pitches all night, speculating as I was that the discussion was to get YB to see more pitches. But that’s not the point: We slag Grover for poor in-game management, and there’s a lot not to like there, but the strength of his we rarely see, and I think it’s real, is man-management. Grover was going to have to use an interpreter for the conversation, but he didn’t use a coach; instead, he called on Perez who’s only been with the team a few weeks and scarcely knows YB. Why? ‘Cause Perez is a ‘professional hitter,’ who works the count, walks a bunch (from the side he can hit), and mashes his pitch when he gets it. And it can’t be underestimated the importance here of Eduardo being the son of Tony Perez, however much the Ms announcer over hype this. Tony Perez has massive, massive credibility with virtually all Latin hitters. He was THE GUY, the first great one after Orlando Cepeda to make big money and get famous, and much better thought of as a leader and community exemplar. We can bet that the Ms coaching staff has been trying to get YuBet to take more pitches for, well, A YEAR. Now, having to reiterate it, Grover gets into the loop the _player_ on the team who could have the most impact on Betancourt, and just possibly mentor him a bit when the coaches aren’t around. This is a big part of what managers have to do to bring team’s together and enhance development of guys who aren’t finished players. I do think that Hargrove knows how to manage _players_, even if he’s too rote and unimaginative to manufacture any advantages from the bench.
Good catch; it’s something that a lot of fans aren’t sensitive to in the first place, and it’s something that’s hard to catch or see, but it’s REALLY important. Just because it can’t be quantified doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or isn’t important. And while this may or may not stick with Betancourt, the fact that he used Perez in this way indicates that he’s using all of his tools intelligently to get his point across.
That said, everyone here is right about his lineup construction and in-game tactics–they still SUCK.
#375-376– there was also some worry about how healed his shoulder was, IIRC– and then he signed with Arizona for the huge contract just as the Winter meetings began…
Rejoining the group this am.
Jacoby/Jacobi. I worry about spelling about as much as Guilliermus Shaxpeer did.
However, I know the sensibilities of our esteemed hosts, and will try to do better in the future.
Post Scripto: As a card-carrying Thespian, you have to be affirmatively bad to screw up Earnest. We consider it “actor proof.”
ESPN has apparently fired Harold Reynolds. This can only mean one thing: More intelligent discourse between John Kruk and Steve Phillips. BBTN, which was a great way to catch up on scores if you’re not near a computer, has become unwatchable.
In ESPN’s effort to never give any decent coverage to the Mariners, they’ve fired off everyone with any connection to the team. Poor Harold. At least we still get Steve Phillips and his impeccable, snow-white goatee!
#11, I know this is late and basically irrelevant, but I didn’t have internet access last night, and I just wanted to clear this up. For the record, it is very normal to name a kid after yourself in Latin America. In fact, it appears to me that it would almost be abnormal not to. I don’t know if anyone will read this, and I know you were probably mostly joking, but I figure it’s worth mentioning that it is the cultural norm, for whatever that’s worth.