Hello Doooooooooooooooyle
Dave · July 26, 2006 at 10:51 am · Filed Under Mariners
Chris Snelling is going to join the Mariners this evening in time for tonight’s game against the Blue Jays. Carl Everett has been designated for assignment to create room on the roster.
And there was much rejoicing.
[DMZ update: Here's the team announcement]
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D@MN! I’m headed to Cheney in an hour… goodluck Doyle!
Woot! Huzzahhhhhhhhh!
….and who will be sent out/down?
Whoops…got it…About frickin time Carl.
As the Kool-aid man would say “Oh YEAAAAAAAAHHHHH!”
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Huuuuzzzzaaaaaaaaah!
Although I’d rather see a deal for Dellucci, this is great. Makes my day.
Can I change my answer to “The question of the day to… GRRRREATTT!!!!
I feel bad for Carl, they strung him along for so long hintingthat the might just pick up his opt– sorry I can’t type that with a straight fact– WOOT!!! Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead!!!
Any idea on how they use Doyle? I assume Perez still plays v. LHP, but will they rotate him and Ibanez between LF and DH?
I had planned to focus my attention and dollars on the Seahawks starting in August, but watching Doyle in the bigs makes the M’s a lot more intriguing.
Is there any chance we can secret Hargrove in Carl’s luggage when he leaves town?
Aaaaaaaaaaaa I already went to two Mariners games this series, I have no desire to go to another one just to cheer on Doyle. Arrrrgh. I guess I could wait until I see the lineup and if he’s in it, head down…
Great. The timing is puzzling, however.
Will he DH? Play LF? Maybe a little of both? Or is Grover going to let him rot on the bench?
Outstanding!!! Feels like a huge weight has been lifted. Although it is long overdue, this has got to be a huge step in the turn-around.
please tell me this isn’t a joke.
Booo useless designated hitter!
Hooray Doyle!
(P.S. If Red Stripe was remotely drinkable, I would purchase it based solely on their TV ads.
Where’s the proof? Are you April-foolsing us in July?
Doyle arrives . .Carl Everett gone. . . I think I am going to pass out . .Even if both these things were destined to happen, who could have thought it would happen on the same day. . .Does this mean the players can talk about dinosaurs in the clubhouse again?
Official announcement will be made soon. I guess I’m foolish to think I’ve earned a little bit of trust with announcements like this…
#12– why?
and just this morning Bavasi was saying to Fred Claire that they really needed to improve the left-handed side of the DH platoon
Got a source Dave?
Someone heard it on the radio…
Plus, the Adam Jones report was accurate, wasn’t it?
Sorry hadn’t refreshed before I typed it.
KJR’s got it too. We’re not both making it up.
Where do you think Grover will bat him?
7th?
Dave’s record (without looking it up) has been pretty solid on this stuff.
I believe you, Dave.
Wierdly, Carl did seem to have some of that ‘clubhouse leadership and veteran presence’– if there was only some way to get it without the attendent bat and baggage….
I recall there once was a site heading next to “U.S.S. Mariner” along the lines of “The Cult of Doyle, Ayatolah Zumsteg presiding”
Is that going to come back as well?
Carl down Snelling Up – sweeeet – just saw this on (AP)ENPS.
HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#16- HOORAY BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#19- HOORAY DAVE !!!!!!!!!!!
CHRISTMAS IN JULY!!!
I think it is time for the Sayings of Doyle t-shirt.
Dave,
I believe you. And I thank you.
Regards,
Skankin Pickle
Personally, I always believe Dave being the naive Phoenician that I am :p However, I do like to see the official announcements to read what Bavasi has to say about things.
Personally, I have not seen an announcement Dave has made in advance of the news outlets ever turn out to be wrong. Relatively small sample size, sure, but I’m willing to put my money on him.
Dave, you’re the man! One could say it’s the norm that when random blog-owner states they have inside information with out revealing sources, that one should be sceptical. Not the case, as we have learned over and over, when the author is one Dave Cameron. Cheers! and be well.
Hooray! Took em long enough.
It was “High Epopt Zumsteg” thank you very much.
I am at work. When I heard the news, I was so happy that I almost screamed into the monitor. That’s the best news I’ve heard all season. Took 100 games for Bavasi to take the large sucking hole of a DH from grover’s line up card. They got 62 games to go. And frankly, even if Doyle doesn’t get even 1 hit from now on, I am happy.
Dave’s record (without looking it up) has been pretty solid on this stuff.
I don’t remember him ever being wrong with an announcement like this. He does have sources.
Boy, if Everett was mad when he wasn’t getting enough playing time, I wonder what kind of mood he was in when they told him about the DFA. I hope someone video taped it.
Does this mean I have to retire the gay paleontologist shirt?
Oh. Right. The Honorable DMZ speaks the truth.
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
Everett got his DFA!
Let’s hope Doyle’s here to stay,
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
I, for one, will happily take Dave’s word for it.
I’m waiting to see what number Doyle will wear this time and I’m going to have to get myself a jersey. The dark one, methinks.
Yay! I kind of feel like lighting off some fireworks.
Didn’t mean to impugn the credibility of good Mr. Cameron. It’s just that it seems too good to be true, and I’m a crusty old cynic.
Yea! I vowed to never spend a dime on the M’s while Everett was on the team. Now I can take my family to a game this fall.
This is the beginning of better things. Well, better than the better things we’ve already had this season, at least
He’s been in a slump down at Tacoma lately. One hopes that the timing is a little more fortuitous than it was with Choo, who was red-hot when he was called up, then slumped in his brief trial in Seattle. If this could flip the other way round, it would be nice.
Doubts? Jokes? If this thread were filled with nothing but 100 “hurrahs” and “at last!s”, it’d be the best reading I’ve had all summer.
Goddamn!
I’m going to be interested to hear what Hargrove has to say as it seems he was his biggest fan. He supposedly encouraged Bavasi to go get him in the offseason and refused to remove him from the line-up or pinch hit for him.
It’s faaaaantastic.
100 games late, but fantastic. Yeah, Doyle wasn’t healthy at the beginning of the year, but still, 100 games late.
Taste the happy!
Hooray no Everett!!!!
Hooray Doyle!!!!
Hooray Johjima batting 6th against RHP!!!!!
Oooog, I’m feeling dizzy from all this excitement… I’d better drink some Sprite and lie down for a couple of hours.
My ACLs and PCLs are positively tearing with delight!
Somehow, I don’t believe this is the last move. Bavasi must have something else up his sleeve. I think we will see Delucci in the lineup before July 31. Can’t see Grover putting Doyle’s name in the lineup every day. But either way, it’s better than seeing a giant sucking hole in DH everyday.
IMO it took 100 games to DFA Jurassic because it takes time to build up the huevos to fire a guy like that. You never know what he’s going to do next.
Official.
But…but….leadership! He won a World Series last year! How can we go on without Crazy Carl?
Is there a chance this is a prelude to the final canning of Hargrove? Sort of a, “Fine, if you’re going to continue wasting the DH spot on C. Rex, I’m going to take that option away from you.” Of course, now Hargrove will probably insert WFB as the DH…
FWIW, Drayer said last week that Everett had not been a disruption, nor had he pitched a fit about playing time. The much-reported ‘heard from outside the office’ report of a blow-up in Hargrove’s office was said to be about another matter all-together.
From the official announcement, “We are a better team today with Eddie Perez, Greg Dobbs and Chris getting more at-bats in the DH spot.”
Ya think?
Just glad the M’s aren’t tied down to C-Rex for 07.
Today is a happy, happy day.
Let me fix that…
“We are a better team today with Eddie Perez,
Greg Dobbsand Chris getting more at-bats in the DH spot.â€Is today April Fool’s Day?
I am as glad as anyone to be rid of Carl but why DFA him now? The trading deadline is in 5 days. Whatever value he had, is gone now because they have no leverage. Why not try to trade him in the next 5 days and if that doesn’t work then DFA him?
I was in Chicago last year. It took someone like Ozzie Guillen to contain Carl. He wasn’t destructive, but there was a time when Frank Thomas came back from the DL and he lost playing time, that he complained to the paper about it. Grover is no Ozzie. Quite frankly, I never thought this marriage would work from the start. He bad-mouthed Kenny Williams and the White Sox after he became a FA and signed with the M’s. I can’t imagine what he would say about Bavasi and the M’s now. However, here is the interesting quote from Bavasi:
“Our primary focus is to win games right now,” Bavasi said. “We are a better team today with Eddie Perez, Greg Dobbs and Chris getting more at-bats in the DH spot. In addition, today’s move does not preclude us from continuing to look for more offense in the trade market.”
I was just thinking i would check out USSM to see if mabey Carl had been designated and boy did i just make a scene at work. I pumped my fist just as hard as i did for Richie’s walk off on Sunday. As an Australian and M’s fan, i am super pumped to see Snelling in the lineup
#64 – Even with Dobbs in the list, it was a true statement.
That worries me that Greg Dobbs is going to be getting a share of the at bats.
perhaps they have tried (and tried) to trade him already, and that oddly enough no one wants his veteran leadership?
Leverage??? And just how much leverage do you suppose Carl’s performance gives the team anyway?!?!?
#66 –
Because that’s waste of 16 outs in the next 4 games.
Wow, seems like Word Press is holding up pretty well.
Will we say: “Hello, Dave Delucci” in the next 5 days?
59 I mentioned that as a “nightmare scenario” a month or so ago…despite Hargrove’s love for WFB and crazy line-ups, filling out a card with “Bloomquist – DH” would require something on the level of a stroke or collapsed skull.
I really hope that Bavasi is just throwing Dobbs a bone in that statement, and that he does not intend for him to get at bats. Haven’t we been down that road?
Carl Everett has zero trade value. He’s going to be released, I’d imagine. And, the whole “DFA eliminates leverage” logic is false anyways.
And yes, the M’s still may go get Dellucci or a similar left-handed bat to help fill the DH role. Snelling still needs somewhat regular days off, and really, there’s nothing wrong with having him coming off the bench a couple times a week if you have another solid hitter to keep him fresh.
Probably just line filler.
#77 If, for example, we give Raul a rest, or play either Snelling or Raul in center (and the other in left), it would make sense to give Dobbs the DH against righties, no?
Oh, and incidentally:
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I’m not saying we could or would have gotten much for Carl but by DFA’ing him you will likely get nothing. What little value he may have had is gone because any GM stupid enough to take him just has to wait 10 days to get him for free.
As far as the wasted outs, you tell Hargrove that if he puts Carl into a game again that he will be fired. That way, if Carl does make an out, it would be a productive out.
I may have to go to the game and wear my Doyle jersey.
#80 – Uh… if Raul Ibanez ever plays centerfield, then God hates us and is no longer being subtle.
80: It wouldn’t make sense to play Snelling (coming off an injury) or Raul in center field.
’bout friggin time!!!!
What little value he may have had is gone because any GM stupid enough to take him just has to wait 10 days to get him for free.
Unless more than one GM wants him.
Worked out pretty good with Shea HIllenbrand, don’t ya think?
DFA is the best course of action, otherwise CARL WOULD STILL BE ON THE ROSTER while they were trying to move him.
Okay, but again, you’re assuming that they didn’t try and move him earlier, when, according to your reasoning, they had leverage.
It’s true they most likely get nothing when they DFA a player but that’s because the player is nearly worthless or causing the team a huge problem if you DFA him.
It’s like standing around the car cuber bitching that people could have gotten more for their cars if they’d spent more time trying to sell them. You’re making an assumption that there are buyers, that the value of the sale would make up for the difficulty of finding them, and moreover, that the car has value and they didn’t already invest that kind of effort.
Also: Carl sucks.
re: 80
Raul in center? Are you serious? I think the Doyle giddiness has gotten to you.
My wife will be so much happier now that I won’t be cussing out my computer screen when I see Everetts name in the lineup.
Woooooooo Hoooooo!!!
I’m not saying we could or would have gotten much for Carl but by DFA’ing him you will likely get nothing. What little value he may have had is gone because any GM stupid enough to take him just has to wait 10 days to get him for free.
It just doesn’t work that way. Players who have value will fetch value whether the other team has the leverage of holding onto him or not. The value in a player comes from competition for acquiring him from other teams, not from the original team holding the player. Milton Bradley was DFA’d, then traded for two of the Dodgers top prospects. When a player is DFA’d, and multiple teams are interested, you can still get value for the player.
When a player is DFA’d, and no one is interested, you weren’t going to get anything anyways. Seriously, there’s nothing to complain about here. Stop looking for something.
I though we were supposed to be able to get E. Santana for Carl. What gives? It looks like the Mariner broadcast team lied to me again!
There is a God! Finally! And now we won’t have him for 2007! And we have DOYLE! Freaking DOYLE! ‘doing the happy dance’ ‘doing the Hampster Dance’ ‘doing any freaking dance’ Interesting to see if this quells the trade deadline talk, since it seems to solve at least a couple problems.
Not to rain on this parade, because this announcement totally makes my day, but Doyle isn’t a .247 hitter. Is he in a slump, suffering from small-sample-size-itis, or having some specific kind of problem?
And Dave, cool nuggets of info like this are why I and countless other USSM fans are relentlessly wearing out your servers. So, thanks!
Seriously, there’s nothing to complain about here.
Understatement of the year right here…
I’m pumped by this move too, but, like Griffey, won’t we all just be waiting for Snelling to go down with an injury? The guy can hit, when he’s not horizontal on a gurney.
89: I know, Raul in center is a terrible idea, but depending on how Doyle is feeling and what his range is like, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that in a game or two especially against an RHP. Obviously I would rather see Ichi out there, but I don’t think that’ll be happening any time soon.
The point of the post was just to say that if we’re facing an RHP it would make sense to see Dobbs get the DH and have Doyle and Raul at OF positions rather than DHing.
The good news is Everett is gone, the bad news is Snelling will probably last a week at most until he is back on the DL for the rest of the year.
Yes, yes, we know you all think he’s fragile and will explode on the way up I-5. You mention it every time his name comes up in discussion.
Would you please, for once, shut the fuck up about it for a couple hours?
I am in no way complaining. This is about the best thing to happen to the M’s this year (I despise Carl). I was simply commenting on the timing being weird. In any negotiation, if you put an artificial deadline on yourself you weaken your position. Strange things happen at the trading deadline and some GM might hit the bottle too hard and suddenly see something worthwhile in Carl like Bavasi did this offseason. Who knows, I doubt it but we might still trade him before the deadline anyway.
Ahhhhhhhh. I’ll just bask in this feeling for a few hours.
re: 96
Raul would play center only if Everett broke into the clubhouse with guns blazing and mowed down Jones, WFB, Ichiro, and Snelling respectively while looking for Bavasi.
Sorry to be off topic but [deleted, off-topic]
Wouldn’t Willie give it up for the team and leap in front of the bullets? I thought that’s what scrappy leadership was all about.
On the DFA thing … the Phillies DFA’d the immortal Sal Fasano the other day, and the Yankees gave up a minor leaguer to get him. If Everett has value, Seattle will still get something for him.
Insert your own joke here…
Sorry to be off topic but what better place to ask, if I buy a centerfield bleach ticket will I be able to get up to the 300 level?
Yep.
VaBeachMarinersFan,
Is it sad that I can picture that? Though I see him using an axe.
Okay, okay, I know. I was just trying to rationalize the “Dobbs getting at-bats” comment.
Go DMZ.
Randomly, I named my new cell phone Doyle (yes, I name inanimate posessions: car, laptop, phone) and the ringtone is Down Under by Men at Work.
I guess I could be happy about this, but the sun’s going to burn out eventually, so there’s no point.
Now my decision becomes harder. Do I go with Doyle, Jones, or Hernandez on my Jersey?
re: 103
He might not see Everett coming with all the grit in his eyes and therefore be unable to leap.
Of course with Everetts inability to hit anything everyone would still probably stand a good chance of surviving.
“Jilted Designated Hitter Goes on Revenge Rampage, No One Injured”
/Maybe the Yanks will take Carl to play left field… /
Awesome!
I humbly request that Derek and Dave ban anyone else who suggests Doyle is i****y-prone. We call him Doyle around here for a reason . .Don’t Jinx it!!
Doyle has been playing CF a lot in Tacoma. WHile he’s hitting .247 there his OBP is .356, What he’s not doing is hitting for power.
I’m glad to see him get called up. I’ll be pretty frustrated if I see Hargrove start Dobbs over Doyle on any sort of regular basis.
Everett’s made this decision surprisingly easy by his abysmal performance of late, so like a lot of folks, I’ve been convince this was going to happen, because it was so obviously a problem no one could continue to ignore it….but what’s curious to me is Doyle’s elevation at this time given his own recent lackluster performance. Do we have any info on his un-Doyle-like .243 average down in Tacoma? Looking at stats, you would have thought Choo would be a more logical choice at this time….they both hit from the left side, and neither is a fit to play CF, so they’d seem like interchangeable pieces. Choo is hitting for better average and for more power. What am I missing? Yes, Choo already had his cup of coffee at the Show this year, but we really haven’t seen evidence that Doyle brought his stroke back with him. Is he making good contact but hitting the ball at people. Or do front office prognosticators believe that a change of scenery will ignite his competitive fires? I guess the folks in Tacoma must believe he’s at full health, but he has had over 200 plate appearances, so the sample size is not tiny. Any wisdom from Cheney would be appreciated.
Doyle hit the crap out of the ball in June and the start of July – his overall numbers have been pulled down by a recent 3 for 36 slump.
But he’ll be fine. If there’s one thing no one should worry about when it comes to Chris Snelling, it’s whether he’ll hit or not.
What horrible, horrible news. I’m going to miss Dinosaur Boy and his .657 OPS. How we survive? WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?!?
I think Bavasi waited for Everett to drop to last among Mariners in batting average before dropping the axe. Last night Sexson finally passed him, .228 to .227.
Dave or DMZ or Somebody Smarter Than Me,
What do you think the odds are that the M’s acquire some sort of Veteran Utility Outfielder to play center, assuming we are still in the race a week from now?
And, considering how Hargrove uses his reserves, would acquiring Dellucci be redundant now that they have Doyle? Or could Dellucci pull double duty? how much of a disaster would he be in center? I know he has experience there.
/frickin block quote
Raul would play center only if Everett broke into the clubhouse with guns blazing and mowed down Jones, WFB, Ichiro, and Snelling respectively while looking for Bavasi.
/end frickin block quote
Do you really think that C-Rex would be able to hit anything? Come now. Everyone is safe, from gun or axe.
So, let’s see:
Hyped free agent signings Bavasi’s made as a GM that have been DFA busts:
Rich Aurilia
Scott Spiezio
Carl Everett
That’s something like 20 million in busts, that the Mariners have gone on to PAY someone else to play. (This also doesn’t include Boone, Cirillo, Reese, Guardado, Olerud.)
Hmm, if you’re wondering why Bavasi might get 86′ed after this year, this could easily be part of it.
Here’s Doyles Splits from Tacoma Iffn’ yer interested.
Well that didn’t work. NVM I guess. The link is too long to post just as it’s self.
Lets just try this: http://tinyurl.com/eup5b
OH MY GOD.
I’ve… waited so long for this day, yet I am shocked that it actually came.
You’ve made me a happy man this morning, USS Mariner.
God, I’m excited. Oh, man I hope he is in the line-up tonight. Is he in the line-up tonight?
At least, for sure, Everett ISN’T.
Snelling still needs somewhat regular days off, and really, there’s nothing wrong with having him coming off the bench a couple times a week if you have another solid hitter to keep him fresh.
Send Dobbs down and bring up Petagine.
Of course, Hargrove’s brain isn’t going to be able to handle not putting the same lineup out every day, send Hargrove down and bring Rohn up, too.
Rohn is already up. He’s with the Club, maybe they should just switch all the locks in the club house and give Rohn the right set of keys.
#60 FWIW, Drayer said last week that Everett had not been a disruption, nor had he pitched a fit about playing time. The much-reported ‘heard from outside the office’ report of a blow-up in Hargrove’s office was said to be about another matter all-together.
Greg Johns in the King County Journal:
Since Greg Johns isn’t a paid team shill (as are the KOMO and FSN cres), I’ll go with Greg’s firsthand report.
“Our primary focus is to win games right now,” Bavasi said. “We are a better team today with Eddie Perez, Greg Dobbs and Chris getting more at-bats in the DH spot. In addition, today’s move does not preclude us from continuing to look for more offense in the trade market.”
must…not…explode…in…rage…
WFB is on KJR right now, for those interested in hearing his take on the Everett / Doyle news.
He’s not wrong, EC. Greg Dobbs is better than Carl Everett.
And, let’s be honest – Dobbs isn’t going to play much, especially if they go acquire a veteran hitter.
Am I right in thinking Petagine is much better against RHP than LHP? I can’t for the life of me find any spilts for the Japanese leagues, but I think someone here said he was pretty platoonable. Are they likely to recall him now to play DH against right-handers when Doyle needs a rest, or have they pretty much given up on him?
101- Dont count that possibility out.
YAY! Way back in December (http://ussmariner.com/?p=3185#comment-81976), I resigned as a Mariners fan on the news of Everett’s signing. I’m reinstating myself immediately as an enthusiastic fan of the team and pretending the baseball season just started as of yesterday afternoon!
I feel like Christmas came early.
But Hargrove LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVEEESSS Dobbs
Yeah, Dave, I know, but Roberto Petagine is better than Greg Dobbs, if you want to hand out DH at bats to anyone, and Dobbs is pretty terrible.
Oh well, I should be happy about the two leaps forward (no Everett, plus Doyle) as opposed to the one half-step back (Dobbs instead of Petagine on the roster).
well, Wednesdays with Willie hadn’t heard the news; he lockers next to Carl and got along fine; he had some big hits for them, and thinks some guys will miss him, but, they understand it is a business. He knows Doyle (mostly from off-seasons and the minors) and that ‘the kid can absolutely hit when he’s hot’ and ‘plays the game the right way’….
122
That’s an excellent question
So, does anyone know how Delucci would help us or if you all think he wouldn’t be used correctly by Grover?
He’d sure be worth A LOT more than Dobbs would to the team imho
105 said “Sorry to be off topic but what better place to ask, if I buy a centerfield bleach ticket will I be able to get up to the 300 level?”
Don’t bother with the 300 level, why shoot so low? There’s plenty of great seats on the 100 level down low and the only places you couldn’t get in are the Terrace Club and Diamond Club and it’s really not that difficult to get in those places either…
“And, let’s be honest – Dobbs isn’t going to play much, especially if they go acquire a veteran hitter.”
Dave, you tease. How are we supposed to take that? Is that an I know but can’t tell you that Snelling is getting called-up and Carl is going bye-bye” statement, or is it a “they’d be smart to get a veteran hitter, but I don’t know what’s going on there” statement. You see what you do to us?
Seriously, there’s nothing to complain about here. Stop looking for something.
Well, I suppose one could always complain that this move wasn’t made earlier.
Anyway, this makes my day. I was beginning to get a little bit worried for your sanity, Dave, the longer that Crazy Carl lingered on the roster. I shudder to think what might have happened to you if Carl had stuck around long enough for his option to vest.
Bavasi keeps his word!
Welcome Doyle. Yodas for all!!!
Bad luck M’s DFA Everett and the Angels won probably because of karma. Curses.
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DESIGNATED HITTER DESIGNATED FOR ASSIGNMENT
What a great headline.
I’m just so damn happy. Screw other issues, I’ll get upset by them later, if neccessary.
DOYLE IS UP! CARL IS DOWN!
Tonight will be the first game in a long time that I will be rooting whole-heartedly for the M’s to win. I miss that.
Hey EC, not to make more rage, or anything, but Dobbs was outhitting the Aussie kid in Tacoma, and it wasn’t particularly close. Fact is, translating either of their lines up to MLB numbers, they both look kind of marginal.
I’m thinking the kid is only up either to showcase, or until a deal for a veteran can be made. I’ll be very surprised if key roles are given to both Jones and the D word for a stretch run, no matter how marginal a contender the M’s are.
147 – No one is pretending anything. But he’s been playing for months now.
I mean, Christ, it’s not like Bavasi just traded for Doyle or gave up anything for him.
You’re acting like the house just gave you free money to gamble with and you are complaining that the house will probably win.
C’mon! DOYLE IS UP! CARL IS DOWN!
135: For what they’re worth, Petagine’s 2005 L/R Splits in the minors:
Vs. Right: .340/.481/.650, 197 ABs
Vs. Left: .290/.359/.594, 69ABs
Pretty much destroyed the International League against both, but better against righties in a larger sample.
150 – Why on earth is the last month or so wroth of stats more important to you than all that came before it?
Doyle a marginal hitter? Then you haven’t been paying attention.
Oh, and John in LA: If you can’t cheer for the M’s because of Everett’s politics, I’ve got news for you. There are a lot people with his views on the team than people like you. The rest of them just know enough to keep their mouth shut. If you are looking for a shining light of political enlightenment from your sports idols, I’ll suggest becoming a lacrosse fan.
Its funny how people some how find a black cloud in everything.
#131– FWIW, the Drayer comment came in the middle of a discussion about Carl’s poor hitting, and was specifically in response to a caller mentioning Everett’s whining. She was talking about his longterm clubhouse behavior as someone who travels with the team — I have to admit that I am not a Greg Johns (occasional baseball columnist) fan anyway .. (a fine recent quote: “We won’t even get into the Freddy Garcia trade that netted only Jeremy Reed, now mired on the bench. Or the decision to give up on Miguel Olivo so soon. Or deal Randy Winn for negligible return to date.”)
oh, love it– a KJR caller is bitching about the move, losing the only guy with World Series experience who could have been packaged in a trade, and bringing up a guy hitting .248
Yes, because lacrosse is an oasis of enlightenment.
154– How about we hate Carl Everett because he sucks at playing baseball? Would that be Okay with you?
157- Just ask the Duke Lacrosse team.
ba-da-boom!
Can I ask why my 147 comment was deleted?
I am actually in shock that this day FINALLY came. Just last night I was shaking my head seeing Everett in the lineup AGAIN.
Tear it up, Doyle!
I’m kind of sad this day actually came. I know we’re a better team, but C-Rex! Come back! Let’s at least get him in the broadcast booth.
Hey EC, not to make more rage, or anything, but Dobbs was outhitting the Aussie kid in Tacoma, and it wasn’t particularly close. Fact is, translating either of their lines up to MLB numbers, they both look kind of marginal
Uh, you’re kidding, right?
Lifetime minor league stats before 2005:
Dobbs: .305/.357/.458
Doyle: .327/.398/.496
Translating stats from Tacoma this year and projecting based on those is a classic case of Small Sample Size Theatre.
Dobbs is also OLDER than Doyle (by four years), and has reached the standard age where baseball playters peak (28). Doyle hasn’t.
Simply put, Dobbs is a marginal hitter- he’s a .270/.320/.380 hitter in the majors, maybe. Doyle, well, isn’t.
Doyle’s going to hit. There’s really no question about that. Why do people dispute it?
Everett bursts into the clubhouse screaming, grabs a bat and starts swinging at Hargrove… miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss foul tip, miss, miss, miss…
Makes sense for Doyle to bat 6th tonight. If only I turn the television on to see HR announcing the lineups.
166 – Priceless! I just spit coffee all over my monitor …
154 – Spencer B… mind telling me why you make assumptions as to why I couldn’t root for the M’s?
Seems a pretty large and presumptious leap, don’t it?
Since I’m in such a good mood from this news, I’ll explain…
If you read game threads recently, you would know that I felt very torn between the instant gratification of a win and the long term gratification of a better team with more wins.
Lately I haven’t felt torn, I felt that every win pushed back the demand for much needed change, losing Carl being the MOST needed change.
So how can I root for my team to win a game here or there if it meant losing more the rest of the year, or, god forbid, his option vesting and losing more next year, too?
So, because of Carl and other factors, I did not want the team to win and reinforce behavior and choices that would cripple the team for the future.
Does that mean I didn’t enjoy any wins? No. But now I feel free to root for them to win, because a big downside to victories just got eliminated. Not all of them, but the biggest one.
Losses have helped this team get better. The aggressive baserunning nonsense has been cut in half, at least. That makes us better. Carl is gone, that makes us better. Eddie is gone, that makes us better.
USSCoDW always is on top of the news
166 – after the last miss, maybe add bat flies out of hand and hits backstop
Woooooo. If only this had happened yesterday!
166 – That was very, very funny.
164 – Thanks for getting the numbers, EC.
172 – Yesterday? Nah, then it would have had to compete with one of the few pieces of better news you could recieve.
Yesterday, healthy baby!
Today, – Carl, + Doyle
Tomorrow, peace in the middle east.
It’ll be a good week.
Today’s transactions:
USS Mariner: Designated reader Jim Thomsen for apocalyptic delight.
So how soon would I likely be able to purchase my own Snelling jersey at the Mariner Team Store, anybody know?
As the only person I know in possession of a Snelling *or* a Doyle jersey, I’d be a little annoyed to see another, but moreover — when he first came up and I had it custom-made, he was injured before it got to me. So if you could just not risk it, for the good of the franchise, I think we’d all appreciate it.
ok…just caught the news….so whats the story on this Snelling kid? I have so many questions about him.
But first, the most important one:
Since he’s not from the US, won’t the language barrier be a drag on his expected performance?
Rumblings abound that the M’s have made a trade. News coming shortly.
Can we start a petition to have “Doyle” be the name on the back of his jersey? — sort of like Ichiro.
I have both a “Snelling” and “Doyle” jersey. That’s how nutty I am.
Doyle’s from the US, he was just raised in Australia. If you talk to him now, the accent’s really waned in the last few years.
Dave, are you serious . . Since this is officially designated (no pun intended) Good News Doyle Called Up, Carl Gone the Way of the Dinosaur Day, it has to be a good trade, right? Oh man . . .I’ve got to piss, but I am not leaving my computer . .
Dave, can you tell me that it’s more than Carl Everett traded to Team X seeking veteran presence for PTBNL? Because if you can’t, then I have to sit here till I see the trade.
Deal isn’t done yet – they won’t tell me who its for. I have a few guesses, but I’m not posting those.
It would be a prospect who doesn’t have have a future here for a veteran.
oh, ok.
then I can eat lunch.
Could we have done something huge? Meche for Soriano!
Hey, I just noticed the banner change. Nice!
All this news is really keeping me occupied on a slow day at work.
Dave, can you offer me any hope that it might not be for a DH/LF type?
I’d hate it if we didn’t get to see Doyle get a lot of playing time after this long wait.
Meche isn’t “a prospect who doesn’t have have a future here”.
My guess would be Choo- since Reed’s been a regular for a year and a half and is injured anyway, and with Snelling + Reed, we’re flush with not-quite CF LH corner OF’ers.
FINALLLLLYYY ….. Bavasi is slowly beginning to make some nice moves, knock on wood.
Though the Washburn and Everett deals will enevr be fully forgetten as long as I live….and with that Dave says they make a trade….
Just as things were starting to look up…
There’s no doubt in my mind Doyle can hit….he’s proven that like few other minor league hitters. My question was whether he is healthy, given his unDoyle-like performance over his last 200 ABs. I assume this move indicates that the Mariners believe he is.
ESPN’s rumor central has the M’s as the top team on their list of prospective buyers for Abreu, but no accompanying comment pertaining specifically to them. Not sure if that is even worth thinking about.
183. If I had to make a guess, I think I know who it is, and yeah, he didn’t really have a future here. I can’t wait to see who the veteran is.
Bill Bavasi sees the clock ticking, and he’s turning the gears!
Not confirming or anything (wink wink, nod nod), but that’s not a bad guess, EC. From Tacoma’s play-by-play of their current game:
Bottom 2nd:
Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Jeff Clement replaces Shin-Soo Choo
Must be for Walker
I don’t see how Abreu makes sense. If you get him either Doyle sits on the bench or Ibanez has to move to first. Maybe if it was a three team deal with Sexson leaving.
Choo for Walker???
Please don’t get my hopes up. I’m already jubilant about the Doyle thing and I’m in a fragile state. If they do something retarded I’ll go into an apoplectic fit.
Hey Dave any rumblings about Jeff Conine. The Balitmore Sun was saying that the M’s and Braves were intersted in Jeff Conine? Supposedly they were looking for a mid-level prospect for him.
I don’t know why I bother having other websites bookmarked… when it comes to my Mariner news, this is the only damn site worth visiting.
Bye, Choo. Best of luck.
(Dave breaks the news so hard it can’t be fixed.)
The M’s aren’t interested in Conine. They want a left-handed bat.
Carl Everett goodbye
Please do not bump your ass on
The door going out
Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Jeff Clement replaces Shin-Soo Choo
That’s a bizarre switch, but looking at the box score I guess Clement stayed in to catch and Johnson moved out for another adventure in the outfield.
#192– well, just this morning Bavasi said they were more in the market for 2nd-tier guys where they wouldn’t have to move one of their top prospects…
Dave, thanks that’s what I wanted to know. Though if the M’s are out, the Braves could use him. They’d upgrade Left Field doing so, I just dont’ want it to cost Betemit to do so.
Is Bill Bavasi’s naming of Doyle, Dobbs, and Perez a way of communicating with Hargrove? Is he expressing his desires for who plays DH?
Choo for Walker? Choo for ????
If it’s JUST Choo, I think I’ll be happy….
(Abreu? Um, sorry, but I’m wide awake…..)
I think if Bavasi wanted to communicate with Hargrove, he would just talk to him–don’t you?
Dave, can you at least assure us that the first line of the press release is not “Seattle Mariners Executive Vice President & General Manager of Baseball Operations Bill Bavasi announced today that the club has traded outfielder Chris Snelling . . . .”?
Choo for Dellucci would make sense, as Choo is roughly a younger, cheaper, less polished version of Dellucci.
Oh Dave, just hypothetically, if the M’s were to try to trade a guy named Choo for a guy named Walker in some sort of deal . .what do you think of a move like that? Just hypothetically?
The other thing is I’d be looking to supplement the pitching staff right now, what with Soriano having issues, as opposed to picking up Todd Walker- unless Raul’s shoulder is more problematic than it seems. Especially since Todd Walker isn’t really an improvement on Doyle, unless you want to play him at 2B.
#206 – I dont think so. I think hes just trying to state to the fans and media that Everett wasn’t that good.
Maybe if he allowed us to communicate with him before his bonehead signings of Everett and Washburn, he wouldnt have to make such overlays to the fans and media, because they wouldnt have been signed in the first palce.
Dave, can you at least assure us that the first line of the press release is not “Seattle Mariners Executive Vice President & General Manager of Baseball Operations Bill Bavasi announced today that the club has traded outfielder Chris Snelling . . . .�
Snelling isn’t being traded.
Oh Dave, just hypothetically, if the M’s were to try to trade a guy named Choo for a guy named Walker in some sort of deal . .what do you think of a move like that? Just hypothetically?
Todd Walker is better than Greg Dobbs. He is decent insurance in case of an injury to an infielder. He would be a decent acquisition, but he shouldn’t cost us Shin-Soo Choo, or any other real prospect of note.
Especially since Todd Walker isn’t really an improvement on Doyle, unless you want to play him at 2B.
And take away playing time from Willie? Nahhhh….
Choo for Dellucci? Not likely, but our offense would look a lot better. Maybe we got A-rod back!! haha.
Question for Dave once the trade goes down. Since you had Choo and Cabrera pretty much neck-and-neck in trade value, are you more impressed with the return for Choo than what we got for Cabrera?
OK–got it. Not Choo for Walker.
Upon this great news, I just swapped out my desktop wallpaper.
Yeah, it’s in an R’s uniform, but this shot of Doyle works for me.
I got more Doyle pix, too, to choose from. Only a couple are meant for desktop wallpaper, but I’ve compressed these pix down a notch, and could make wallpaper if anyone’s interested.
Congrats Cult of Doyle! Throw back some Veggemite in celebration. Or some Aussie Shiraz, if that’s your preference (is mine)! Avoid Fosters at all costs.
This seriously catches me off guard. I’m okay by that, though!
The M’s aren’t interested in Conine. They want a left-handed bat.
I’m not getting this: they HAVE LH bats (Doyle, Petagine) who will cost them nothing in trade who would more than adequately replace the sucktastic ones they had before today(Everett, Dobbs).
Or is Hargrove’s tiny brain such that he refuses to belive minor league numbers or J League numbers mean anything, and he insists on “veterans” to replace C-Rex? I mean, really, Dellucci and Walker are decent players, but are they upgrades on what the M’s have for free? I don’t think so.
Whereas the team’s operating with a short bullpen (with Soriano having intermittent problems)- and is heavily using the ‘pen as well. I don’t get it.
Costco has Rosemont Estates Shiraz for a ridiculous $7.59 a bottle. That’s a crazy price for a really nice Australian shiraz.
dang, Derek, I almost snorted chocolate milk across my keyboard… fine photography there.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should anyone attempt to untie the yellow ribbon around Doyle’s neck.
That is all.
Or is Hargrove’s tiny brain such that he refuses to belive minor league numbers or J League numbers mean anything, and he insists on “veterans†to replace C-Rex?
I have no doubt that this is the case.
Talk about learning the wrong lesson from (his own) past…..
Mmm hmmm. Have to second that Rosemont Estates suggestion. Glad to hear we still have very similar tastes in alcohol, Herr Zumsteg!
Case in point:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/teamReport?categoryId=71598&type=InsideSlant
The Mariners are not sure how much longer they can go not knowing when Rafael Soriano will be able to pitch again.
Tuesday was the fifth consecutive game on the Seattle homestand in which Soriano could not be used. He’s suffering from some form of tired shoulder, and he hasn’t pitched in a game since July 19 in Yankee Stadium.
The Mariners had hoped Sunday that Soriano would be ready for the Blue Jays on Monday or Tuesday, but he wasn’t ready to go either day.
If things don’t change, the Mariners may have no choice but to put him on the disabled list. He missed five games in late June 29 and early July with similar problems, and extended rest may be the only answer.
Yeah, extended rest. That works. Except not so much.
Strewth! Good on ya, mate. Crikey, that’s bonzer news. I’m throwin’ a wobbly here. Everett never stood a Buckley’s with us; his bat carked it long ago. Bavasi really came a gutser with that move, but this one’s a corker. Doyle’s fair dinkum, only a right drongo thinks otherwise. This season’s a bit of a no-hoper, but she’ll be apples from now on. No drama!
Yeah, extended rest. That works. Except not so much.
I just wish they’d hurry up and put Soriano on the DL, because he’s a waste of space on my roto league roster if he’s not playing.
DMZ that’s hilarious!
It makes me remeber how much I wish I had a camera when I passed by that very murial. I mean– it actually says “Carl”(!) too perfect!
Oh well, I settled for being photographed in front of his jersey in the team store. $220 price tag, I wonder how many of those they sold.
Losing Carl is like making a deadline blockbuster, this division looks more and more winnable each day.
220, 224 off topic. Are you going to delete your own post, DMZ?
Seriously, I have sampled that very item, and I agree with the review and the recommendation. Anyone had a good chard recently?
There were several Snelling jerseys available in the team store a few weeks back — from the “game-used” or the “used in commercial” racks, I forget which. They were like $350 or so, though.