Game 105, Mariners at Orioles

DMZ · July 31, 2006 at 3:25 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Game 1: Can the M’s beat the Orioles?
Game 2: Can the site hold up?

4:05, FSN.

Mariners:
RF-L Ichiro!
2B-R Lopez
3B-R Beltre
LF-L Ibanez
1B-R Sexson
DH-R Perez
C-R Johjima
SS-R Betancourt
CF-R Jones

Pitching, Gil “The New and Improved” Meche

For Baltimore:
2B Roberts
LF-L Fahey
3B-R Mora
SS-R Tejada
DH-L Gibbons
1B-R Conine
CF-L Patterson
C-R Hernandez
RF-L Markakis

and pitching, Adam Loewen.

Comments

244 Responses to “Game 105, Mariners at Orioles”

  1. Dave Clapper on July 31st, 2006 3:28 pm

    I didn’t catch much baseball this weekend, so forgive me if this is a stupid question: is this the first time that Lopez and Beltre are back in the slots where they started the season?

  2. Coach Owens on July 31st, 2006 3:29 pm

    1. No it’s been like that for the last few games.

  3. AK4Sea on July 31st, 2006 3:31 pm

    There’s something immensley satisfying about that lineup. No Willie BOOM BOOM, no Everett, and a lefty-masher at DH. Looks like front office and management are on the same page.

  4. Dave on July 31st, 2006 3:32 pm

    Loewen can’t throw strikes to save his life – if the M’s go up hacking, we should burn down Safeco before they return.

    Okay, maybe not, but they seriously need to go up to the plate determined to only swing at pitches they can mash, because Loewen’s command is horrendous.

  5. Bender on July 31st, 2006 3:34 pm

    I understand moving Lopez, but if Beltre was working as a #2 guy, why move him? That makes no sense to me.

  6. PositivePaul on July 31st, 2006 3:40 pm

    Derek, Derek, Derek…

    WD-40 and Duct Tape should do the trick next time! I’m sure I’ve got a holy card of St. Jude (patron saint of hopeless causes) you could jam into an empty PCI slot or something.

    Should’ve gone with that Rance Mulliniks sticker instead…

  7. Bender on July 31st, 2006 3:48 pm

    So Bavasi just said a whole lot of nuthin’ on the pre game show.

  8. msb on July 31st, 2006 3:49 pm

    so, in other words, he spoke like a GM?

  9. Ed on July 31st, 2006 3:51 pm

    So, in other words, he spoke like everyone in pro sports.

  10. MarinerDan on July 31st, 2006 3:57 pm

    Spelling error alert: Tejada, not Tejeda.

    Anyhoo, let’s get the sweep in Charm City! (Though facing a resurgent Erik Bedard will make that VERY difficult.)

  11. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 4:01 pm

    This is the first lineup that doesn’t appear to have a hemmorrhaging infection at any hole. Everyone, meet Mike Hargrove, master of every aspect of the game – baserunning, bullpen, and pinch hitting excluded.

    If any of my profs read this blog, I expect to get extra credit for using the word “hemmorrhaging” within an aphysiological context.

  12. DMZ on July 31st, 2006 4:02 pm

    Wow, Fairly and Niehaus look horrible, like they want to die because Hell is rumored to be less humid.

  13. msb on July 31st, 2006 4:02 pm

    [ahem] “hemorrhaging”

  14. Dave Clapper on July 31st, 2006 4:02 pm

    Thanks, Coach.

  15. Dave on July 31st, 2006 4:05 pm

    It’s freaking out here. Gonna hit 99 here in NC tomorrow. Real feel temperature in NC when its 99 is 342, I think.

    Also, I forgot about mlb.tv’s insane blackout rules, so I’m now off to a friend’s house who has cable so I can actually watch this game on TV. Bastards.

  16. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 4:06 pm

    Um, “hemorrhaging” indeed. Sadly, I chose chiropractic school only after a shocking, second-place finish in the International Spelling Tournament. Sorry MZD.

  17. MarinerDan on July 31st, 2006 4:07 pm

    Meche’s line for the game: 5 6 5 5 3 4

    And the M’s still win.

  18. MarinerDan on July 31st, 2006 4:08 pm

    Dave, no cable? Ouch.

  19. David J. Corcoran I on July 31st, 2006 4:10 pm

    But Dave, it’s only like an 8 hour drive from Greensboro to Baltimore.

  20. cougs129 on July 31st, 2006 4:11 pm

    chased ball 4 twice already

  21. Josh on July 31st, 2006 4:11 pm

    ‘One of the few times Ichiro swings at one out of the strike zone with two strikes on him. You don’t see that too often.’ -Fairly

  22. ccm on July 31st, 2006 4:15 pm

    wow that was a fat pitch

  23. Bender on July 31st, 2006 4:15 pm

    Off to a great start!

  24. Josh on July 31st, 2006 4:16 pm

    ‘Don’t know why there are some guys you can’t stop them from hitting the ball hard against you.’ -Fairly

    Uh… He piped it.

  25. Rumpelstiltskin on July 31st, 2006 4:16 pm

    Well, at least Roberts is on my Fantasy Team. And yes, I put him in the starting lineup vs. Meche…

  26. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 4:17 pm

    #21 – I won twenty bucks last year when I bet my buddy that Fairly would say “There’s no question about that” in the first ten minutes of the TV broadcast in five consecutive games. I think his longest streak is actually somewhere around 25. But Fairly is the Mariano Rivera of our color crew…for what that’s worth.

  27. Mr. Egaas on July 31st, 2006 4:17 pm

    These are the kinds of games that must be won if this team is serious about the playoffs.

    That being said, looking great so far…

  28. cougs129 on July 31st, 2006 4:18 pm

    great… shoulda got rid of him when his value was at his peak

  29. msb on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    so, what, Meche isn’t used to hot humid weather?

  30. Goob on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    Let’s see, 2 runs on 15 pitches so far…

  31. mariners23 on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    SURE WHY NOT GIVE UP A HOMER EVERY OTHER OUT!!!!

  32. mariners23 on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    SURE WHY NOT GIVE UP A HOMER EVERY OTHER OUT!!!!

  33. Bender on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    I love Gil Meche!

  34. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    wow

  35. ccm on July 31st, 2006 4:19 pm

    wow! ladies and gentlemen, the ace of the 2006 m’s

  36. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:20 pm

    Maybe he wanted to be traded…?

  37. Mere Tantalisers on July 31st, 2006 4:20 pm

    Oh man… is this gonna be the game where that 6% hr/fb rate catches up to him?

  38. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 4:22 pm

    The Orioles are swinging like they smell blood.

  39. mark s. on July 31st, 2006 4:22 pm

    This reminds me of when my dad plays the stock market. He likes to buy when something is rising and sell after it has fallen.

    Meche staff ace!

  40. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:22 pm

    Well at least no one hit it in play….

  41. msb on July 31st, 2006 4:23 pm

    this is the sort of inning that Gil normally has just before a potential trade :)

  42. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 4:25 pm

    Remember last year when Brian Roberts had like 15 homers before the break… seriously, what was that all about?

  43. Bender on July 31st, 2006 4:25 pm

    No, he’s trying to beat the O’s bats into submission.

  44. cougs129 on July 31st, 2006 4:26 pm

    “hey richie your batting average looks like you either hit a home run or strike out, thats not real good buddy” anonymous Orioles fan

  45. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:28 pm

    Hey Richie, you’re so fine, you ground out or strike out all the time….

  46. ccm on July 31st, 2006 4:28 pm

    yikes. way to not kill lefties eddie.

  47. cougs129 on July 31st, 2006 4:29 pm

    lowoen was the most sought out after arm at the trade deadline right?

  48. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 4:30 pm

    I’m somewhat confident if we aquired Jesus to hit lefties he wouldn’t be able to, it seems like thats what happens when you play for Seattle.

  49. ccm on July 31st, 2006 4:31 pm

    jesus can’t hit a breaking ball worth diddly.

  50. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:32 pm

    WWJD?

  51. MarinerDan on July 31st, 2006 4:33 pm

    Now, now, DeJesus could hit lefties back in the day.

  52. DMZ on July 31st, 2006 4:34 pm

    You wouldn’t bring Jesus in to hit, you bring him in to anchor the bullpen. That’s what he does, he saves. Come on now.

  53. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:35 pm

    Edgar Martinez could.

  54. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:37 pm

    I know…let’s walk the #9 hitter.

  55. ccm on July 31st, 2006 4:37 pm

    #52-they could play “jesus is just alright with me” by the doobies when he came out of the pen

  56. Beniitec on July 31st, 2006 4:38 pm

    All I know is if the Mariners had him, the Yankees would have found a way to trade for him already.

  57. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 4:38 pm

    Has anyone ever heard the Bob and Tom show Harry Carey first baseball game skit? It’s absolutely hilarious and i suggest you go download it.

  58. mark s. on July 31st, 2006 4:39 pm

    Long releif I think would be best. Like the old school closers coming in at the 6-7th inning.

  59. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 4:44 pm

    Dave-
    I’ve been meaning to ask how much you’ve watched the Durham club, and what you think of the chosen ones.

  60. MarinerDan on July 31st, 2006 4:46 pm

    Wow, Loewen looks like Cy Young out there. Oh, wait, he has a 6.08 ERA. Funny how the M’s can do that to pitchers (especially left-handers).

  61. Dan W on July 31st, 2006 4:50 pm

    I thought Dave said Loewen was the pitcher who couldn’t throw strikes.

  62. DMZ on July 31st, 2006 4:50 pm

    Having seen Loewen earlier this year– yeah. His command of the strike zone has been pretty bad this season.

  63. Coach Owens on July 31st, 2006 4:51 pm

    57. Will Ferrell as Harry Caray on sketches on Saturday Night Live is probably funnier.

  64. Dan W on July 31st, 2006 4:53 pm

    Meche looks really uncomfortable with the heat (both the temperature and the kind of pitch).

  65. Evan on July 31st, 2006 4:53 pm

    Loewen had one good start in him this year.

    And he had it in the WBC.

  66. beckya57 on July 31st, 2006 4:53 pm

    I was advocating that the M’s trade Meche at the deadline, on the theory that his value would never be higher. I stand vindicated.

  67. Dan W on July 31st, 2006 4:55 pm

    Loewen’s command of the strikezone doesn’t have to be better than that of other pitchers – it only has to be better than that of Mariner hitters :)

  68. mark s. on July 31st, 2006 4:56 pm

    now that play by Betencourt was Jeter like!

  69. Rain Delay on July 31st, 2006 4:57 pm

    63 – Nope. Bob and Tom’s is far more funny than anything that SNL could and have put out about Harry Carey.

  70. bigred on July 31st, 2006 4:57 pm

    I like Meche. I think he’s going to get a W today.

  71. Dave Clapper on July 31st, 2006 5:00 pm
  72. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:01 pm

    Here comes a big 4th inning.

  73. Dave Clapper on July 31st, 2006 5:01 pm

    (and I encourage you to read the next few in the series to see how He does)

  74. beckya57 on July 31st, 2006 5:01 pm

    Based on what, 70? He’s already thrown a bunch of pitches in hot, humid conditions, he’s been throwing fastballs up in the zone, and is trailing 3-0. I guess I’m missing something.

  75. Coach Owens on July 31st, 2006 5:01 pm

    Weird that the last couple starts Meche and Pineiro seemed to trade places.

  76. Deanna on July 31st, 2006 5:04 pm

    Finally. I was worried I’d have to invoke the words “perfect game” in order for someone to get a hit off this guy.

  77. zzyzx on July 31st, 2006 5:05 pm

    Wow, Lopez almost punched the shortstop there on the slide.

  78. beckya57 on July 31st, 2006 5:05 pm

    I’ve been switching back and forth between this game and the Cleveland-Boston tilt on ESPN. Apparently the Boston fans are roasting Epstein for failing to make any trades while the Yankees were acquiring Abreu (by the way, I think Cory Lidle may make more of a difference than Abreu, as the Yankees’ huge need is for pitching). ESPN is saying the Bosox were hoping David Wells was going to bolster the rotation, which is pretty hilarious given that he’s old and has never taken conditioning seriously. Anyway, he’s getting lit up. I guess our front office has no monopoly on silliness.

  79. Jed C on July 31st, 2006 5:12 pm

    If you’ve spent any time in Boston, everyone will get ripped no matter what. Pedro would get ripped even when he was the best pitcher in the game. It was all fun for a few days when they won the series a few years ago. It is pretty entertaining if you don’t like the Sox.

  80. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:13 pm

    ESPN Gamecast is so much faster than foxsports.

  81. beckya57 on July 31st, 2006 5:15 pm

    79: That’s certainly true about Boston, I’m just suggesting that in this case (unlike many others) it may be deserved.

  82. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:16 pm

    I’m thinking about busting out the rally cap a little early today.

  83. Dan W on July 31st, 2006 5:16 pm

    Loewen has faced the minimum through 4.1. He might be almost as good as Josh Fogg.

  84. J.L. on July 31st, 2006 5:19 pm

    55: No, Jesus wouldn’t close; that would be a huge mistake. I’m reminded of a Kayne West song, “Jesus Walks.” That makes for a horrible closer, but an excellent leadoff man.

  85. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:19 pm

    Yep. Next inning the rally cap is coming out.

  86. ccm on July 31st, 2006 5:20 pm

    good lord someone tell the m’s that loewen sucks

  87. ccm on July 31st, 2006 5:24 pm

    he was out

  88. msb on July 31st, 2006 5:25 pm

    one good thing– while sitting in with Rizzs for an inning, Finnigan offically admitted that, yes, he is retiring at some point this year to do ‘other things’

  89. USS Canada on July 31st, 2006 5:25 pm

    Haven’t we seen this so many times this year. Our offense is so difficult to figure out. Either we dominate or we get shut out, no in between. Absolutely frustrating. Yu-Bet and Jonesy will get us going in the 6th.

  90. apunetid on July 31st, 2006 5:25 pm

    Sometimes watching M’s games can be really hard, like whenever a lefty’s on the mound for the other team.

  91. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 5:26 pm

    1995 carries the same weight with Ricky as AD does to the Christian calender. sheesh

  92. msb on July 31st, 2006 5:26 pm

    well, if they get shut-out today and take the next two, I can live with that.

    who’s today’s homeplate ump?

  93. USS Canada on July 31st, 2006 5:27 pm

    Jerry Layne is behind the plate

  94. Coach Owens on July 31st, 2006 5:28 pm

    Isn’t that weird that Melvin Mora wouldn’t be where he was today if it wasn’t for John Olerud.

  95. msb on July 31st, 2006 5:28 pm

    shouldn’t someone raised & resident in Lafayette Louisiana be used to hot & humid?

  96. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:29 pm

    Let’s get a double play ball here

  97. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 5:32 pm

    Nice, Gil!

  98. USS Canada on July 31st, 2006 5:33 pm

    HUGE….. good job by Gil to get out of a big jam against the best of the O’s line up. Hopefully, the offence can get it going now.

  99. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:35 pm

    Rally Cap is on.

  100. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 5:38 pm

    89-

    Lotto numbers. I need lotto numbers.

  101. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 5:38 pm

    Not that it helped much there, though it could have… but Johjima’s speed is a big asset to the team and is rarely mentioned. He runs pretty good for a catcher and way better than what we have had back there.

    89 – And nice call about Yu-Bet and Jones (or AJ as I like to call him because I’m lazy) getting us going

  102. Coach Owens on July 31st, 2006 5:39 pm

    Texas losing 5-0 and hopefully Angels win.

  103. Dave in Palo Alto on July 31st, 2006 5:40 pm

    Ichi, what’s with the oppposite field popouts? A virus?

  104. darrylzero on July 31st, 2006 5:41 pm

    Yeah, Adam. But really, the first pitch? They must have been instructed not to swing so early, right? Seems like the kind of thing Hargrove would know well enough and value enough…how is it that we’re not working the count at all?

  105. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 5:42 pm

    Looooooopez! WITH 7 oh’s!!!

  106. lokiforever on July 31st, 2006 5:43 pm

    Shouldn’t a pitcher with lousy control like Loewen have a higher pitch count? Are the M’s swinging at bad pitches to get themselves out?

  107. John in L.A. on July 31st, 2006 5:45 pm

    I think the low pitch count is more a result of not getting more people up to bat. One hit and one walk do not mean many pitches.

    They haven’t been egregiously free swinging, I don’t think.

  108. mariners23 on July 31st, 2006 5:45 pm

    CLUTCH!!!

  109. zzyzx on July 31st, 2006 5:46 pm

    Nice rally caps.

  110. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 5:46 pm

    Rauuuu….well, you know the drill!

  111. John in L.A. on July 31st, 2006 5:47 pm

    Interesting graphic they just ran on the O’s broadcase.

    Adrian Beltre, since 5/26, among AL 3rd basemen:

    Hits – 1st
    Runs – 1st
    Doubles – 1st
    Extra base hits – 1st
    Multi-hit games – 1st

  112. terry on July 31st, 2006 5:48 pm

    though not without its flaws, this is a fun team to watch

  113. lokiforever on July 31st, 2006 5:48 pm

    110: thanks for cutting down on server/DB load

  114. apunetid on July 31st, 2006 5:48 pm

    Yeah! Belated but sincere remark of exclamation!

  115. Andren on July 31st, 2006 5:49 pm

    I can’t decide which is more annoying:

    Howie Long telling me to ‘get going’, American Idol guy singing about ‘possibilities’ or Jon Lovitz yelling ‘Subway, eat fresh!’.

  116. JMB on July 31st, 2006 5:49 pm

    Mateo.

  117. Rain Delay on July 31st, 2006 5:49 pm

    A tie game..and he brings in Mateo? For the love of all that is holy, why on earth would you do that?

  118. ccm on July 31st, 2006 5:50 pm

    nooooo! mateo!

  119. colm on July 31st, 2006 5:51 pm

    Distinct lack of intellect or imagnination, I fear. This guy makes Bob Melvin look like Edward De Bono.

  120. msb on July 31st, 2006 5:51 pm

    ah, but there is no one on– sometimes that makes Julio more calm.

  121. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 5:53 pm

    Whichever USSM guy on tv last night, that brought up how on of the reasons Grover should be fired is for using Mateo in the wrong slots too often, is looking pretty smart right now.

    Its only a matter of time…

    Maybe this is a subtle reminder from Grover to the hitters, that they better keep scoring runs…sigh

  122. bigred on July 31st, 2006 5:55 pm

    I like Mateo. I think he does alright to keep us in games. I think he’s going to get a W tonight.

  123. Josh on July 31st, 2006 5:55 pm

    ‘Mariner fans all over the league.’ -Fairly

  124. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 5:55 pm

    Mateo. Further proof that Dave’s “Kudos, Hargrove” post overlooked the fact that Mateo wasn’t available.

    I’ll take any pitcher in the organization over Mateo when we’re tied. Mateo simply cannot prevent a run. He usually doesn’t allow four or five, but always one.

  125. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 5:56 pm

    I think Mateo might be pregnant.

  126. ccm on July 31st, 2006 5:56 pm

    good to see other teams have players with no plate discipline

  127. Des71 on July 31st, 2006 5:56 pm

    112. Yes, I wouldn’t be riding my couch on this gorgeous day if the M’s were as dull as they have been the past couple of seasons.

  128. Dave on July 31st, 2006 5:58 pm

    So, Jason Churchill just made an excellent observation – Mateo was throwing from a much more exaggerated 3/4 delivery that inning. It’s only one inning, but the spin on his slider looked significantly better.

    It can’t hurt to try.

  129. Josh on July 31st, 2006 6:00 pm

    Kenji!

  130. USS Canada on July 31st, 2006 6:00 pm

    JOHHHHHHHHHHH!

  131. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 6:00 pm

    Major league hitting

  132. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:01 pm

    Thank you, Nick Markakakisiss

  133. Des71 on July 31st, 2006 6:01 pm

    It’s a blessing having a catcher who’s an offensive threat.

  134. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:02 pm

    Personally I’d rather Mateo wasn’t “trying” anything new in a tie game while were within 5 games of first place.

    Hopefully Mateo will turn the corner and be back to the reliable MIDDLE reliever that didn’t cost us multiple close ball games.

  135. Eleven11 on July 31st, 2006 6:03 pm

    While I would have liked a CF like Lofton and a starting pitcher, I have to say that the moves Bavasi made with the DH slot were just fine with out any other system gutting blockbuster trades. He has moved up in my estimation after this trade deadline.

  136. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:04 pm

    Would you have preferred J.J. didn’t try his new splitter earlier this year either?

  137. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:05 pm

    WOO! The last two innings. Nice. Now if I could just leave work I’d be happy.

  138. Des71 on July 31st, 2006 6:06 pm

    Betancourt is a pleasure to watch.

  139. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:07 pm

    128. I thought Mateo’s slider looked a lot more sharp today. Didn’t notice the delivery though. I could be making this up but I remember him throwing more 3/4s style a couple years ago.

  140. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:08 pm

    Oh man, that should have been Jones’ first big league homer.

  141. dlupham on July 31st, 2006 6:09 pm

    How quickley things can change. 6 outs ago everyone was crying (now 5 outs ago.)

  142. J.L. on July 31st, 2006 6:10 pm

    I’m slightly inclined to believe Jones should have been pinched hit there. Isn’t that what having Dobbs around (for the time being) is for? Well, maybe hindsight is 20-20.

  143. bigred on July 31st, 2006 6:11 pm

    141. Not me. I’ve been positive the whole time.

  144. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:11 pm

    Huh. Intentionally walking Ichiro to get to the guy with 2 hits tonight.

    This must be a matchup thing.

  145. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:11 pm

    Oh, and a going for the DP thing I guess. Although. Ichiro.

  146. pablothegreat on July 31st, 2006 6:13 pm

    142: I disagree. There was none out in the top of the 7th, so it’s likely that Jones’ turn comes up again in the order. Also, if they pinch hit for Jones, Willie comes in to play CF for three innings.

  147. rd on July 31st, 2006 6:13 pm

    142: Hargrove won’t pinch hit in the 7th inning. He has to wait for the key point in the game, which in Hargrove’s mind cannot come before the 8th.

  148. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:13 pm

    136

    If you want to justify Mateo “experimenting” or whatever in a tie game then that’s an opinion you’re entitled to. I happen to disagree with Grover on this one.

    Is there something wrong with using Mateo in games where they’re already decided until he’s proven he’s back to his old self?

    Interesting you’d compare Putz to Mateo. I don’t think Mateo has earned that comparison this year.

  149. Des71 on July 31st, 2006 6:14 pm

    The O’s have been very charitable tonight.

  150. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:14 pm

    Beltre swings as hard as he possibly can every freakin swing… shorten up, Adrian!

  151. skankin pickle on July 31st, 2006 6:15 pm

    148:

    You missed it entirely. My guess is Dave will tell you so himself anytime now.

  152. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:17 pm

    Does each fan at Oriole Park have their own microphone tonight? They’re extremely loud and you can hear every voice.

  153. terry on July 31st, 2006 6:17 pm

    #148:if what he’s doing is so reliably unsucessful, is it fair to criticize him for tweaking…..especially assuming this is an adjustment he has tested in the pen?

  154. Ed on July 31st, 2006 6:18 pm

    Charles Bukowski once wrote a story about an angel-winged Jesus playing for a ball team, by the way. Funny stuff.

  155. Churchill on July 31st, 2006 6:19 pm

    Nobody was comparing Mateo to Putz. Just the idea of trying new things.

    Mateo is near useless as is, why not try something new that can help him become more effective?

    Be stupid not to.

  156. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:19 pm

    You are entitled to your opinion. You’re not entitled to have your opinion be worth something. All opinions are not created equal.

    I’m not arguing Mateo should have been used in that situation – obviously, I’ve been one of the most vocal critics of his usage so far this year. I was simply pointing out something that you probably didn’t notice that could be a positive going forward. If your overwhelming negativity won’t allow you to receive potential good news, I’m sorry for you.

  157. terry on July 31st, 2006 6:19 pm

    Ms up 5 to 3…..is there even any point to play the final two and half innings considering Lowe and Putz are in the pen?

  158. Rain Delay on July 31st, 2006 6:21 pm

    Gopher ball..

  159. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:22 pm

    #121, 148, et al: If you don’t like Hargrove’s choice of Mateo for the 6th, the other choices are: Fruto, Green, Woods, Lowe, Sherill, or Putz. You know he’s not going to Putz before the 9th, and probably not before the 8th. It’s very unlikely he’s going to Lowe before the 8th. So, who do you want him to go with there: Fruto, Green, Woods, or Sherill?

    It’s not Hargrove’s fault that the starter can’t give him more than 5 innings.

  160. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:22 pm

    148

    No, I don’t criticize the “tweaking” at all. I clearly questioned if in a TIE GAME in a pennant race is the type of situation he should be pitching in at all. This is Mateo, remember?

  161. Ed on July 31st, 2006 6:22 pm

    Speaking of Jesus, why in God’s holy name is Mateo still out there? Don’t we have GOOD relievers for when we’ve got the lead?

  162. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:22 pm

    New arm slot or not, 88 MPH fastballs down the middle are going to get torched. Clearly, he shouldn’t be in the game right now. No one thinks he should be.

  163. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:22 pm

    D*mn you Mateo…

  164. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:23 pm

    157. Yes. Consider Mateo is still pitching instead of Sherrill.

  165. dkulich44 on July 31st, 2006 6:24 pm

    Mateo could have dysentery, be on fire, and have no right arm… and Grover would still try to trot him out there I think.

  166. terry on July 31st, 2006 6:24 pm

    well that one mustve been from a 4/5 delivery…. :-)

  167. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:25 pm

    155

    True enough. I apologize for the confusion. The last thing I expected disagreement over was using Mateo in a tie game while tweaking things.

    Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Fruto and Green against a mediocre team like the O’s and less of Mateo, until were sure things are finally worked out with Julio.

  168. JMB on July 31st, 2006 6:25 pm

    Mateo…

  169. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:26 pm

    That’s better. But a batter too late. Especially given the lefty-righty match-up to which Grover is usually a slave.

  170. JMB on July 31st, 2006 6:26 pm

    Holy crap, 47 apearances for Sherrill already?

    And hey, if he gets an out here, he will have pitched 30 innings. :-)

  171. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:27 pm

    159

    Did Julio answer your question for you?

  172. lmpike on July 31st, 2006 6:28 pm

    It must be a shock for Orioles hitters going from a .300 BA against Mateo to a .100 something against Sherril.

  173. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:28 pm

    156

    Overwhelming negativity or just realism about Mateo this year?

  174. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:30 pm

    #171: To paraphrase what Mr. Lincoln would say if he managed a baseball team: I can’t send anyboy to the mound. I have to have somebody.

    Do you want to start playing lefty-righty matchups in the 6th? Seems a little early for that. If you wanted someone else to pitch, it’s sort of polite to give an actual name, especially when I gave you a list.

  175. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:30 pm

    For a reliever, a minor adjustment can be a huge, huge thing. Putz’s splitter took him from being a mediocre middle reliever into an all-star relief ace. If Mateo’s arm slot helps his slider become something that he can use to get swings and misses, he could easily become marginally useful again.

  176. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:32 pm

    The lack of posts about Sherrill seems to indicate that it’s not just Gamecast that’s frozen…?

  177. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:33 pm

    MLB is blacking me out, even though I am in West Virginia on business and now the gamecast is stuck(after Sherrill came in). At the risk of pissing off DMZ, someone tell me what is happening.

  178. NODO Dweller on July 31st, 2006 6:33 pm

    Yea, MLB gameday down as well

  179. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:34 pm

    175

    I totally agree with you and believe it or not, I don’t think there’s any reason Mateo can’t recapture his previous form.

    But he has no business facing lefties in any sort of close, meaningful game until he does. (Lefties hit .393 against him BEFORE that blast).

    171 I did. In fact I named two in 167, sorry about not specifically addressing your question when I listed Green or Fruto.

  180. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:34 pm

    Sorry, I meant to say MLB Gameday. But I just looked at the ESPN scoreboard and they’re frozen on Sherrill, no pitches, too.

  181. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:35 pm

    I heart Mark Lowe.

    For those who can’t see, Mark Lowe is owning once again.

  182. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:35 pm

    174. Sherrill was, to me, the obvious choice. Leading to Lowe in the 8th and Putz in the 9th.

  183. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 6:35 pm

    175-

    I’m not sure that Putz’s level of success is sustainable if he doesn’t throw the split more often. Word of the splitter spread quickly; so will the fact that he only throws it once an inning.

  184. lmpike on July 31st, 2006 6:36 pm

    I’m trying to not get too attached to Mark Lowe for the inevitable sophomore slump, but it’s hard.

    Real hard.

  185. dlupham on July 31st, 2006 6:36 pm

    Sherrill got the first two outs and Lowe came in for the third out. We’re on to eigth.

  186. bigred on July 31st, 2006 6:38 pm

    Sexson is due.

  187. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:38 pm

    Putz throws about 50-60% splitters, hooligan.

  188. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 6:40 pm

    I heard the crack of Richie’s bat on that swing. And my TV was muted.

  189. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:40 pm

    185. Thanks.

  190. J.L. on July 31st, 2006 6:40 pm

    185: That’s not what ESPN says. It says Brian Roberts is still up. And if they say that Alfonso Soriano was going to be traded to the A’s, and that Brad Lidge is going to the Red sox, then that means they’re…..they’re…..oh, never mind.

  191. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:40 pm

    #179: Sorry, I missed the earlier post post.

    In 16IP at the major league level, Green has given up 15 H and 10 BB with only 12 K’s. Fruto’s 18IP have seen 21 hits and 14 BB with 18 K’s. I like the K’s, but the walk rate stinks.

    I can understand why Hargrove doesn’t get a warm fuzzy feeling bringing either of those guys into a close game. He’ll pitch the guy with the history, figuring that maybe he can get back to being good again. Carl Everett Syndrome.

  192. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:41 pm

    Sexson and Beltre are really turning it on lately, in different ways. But I am a hopeful, happy camper. I like this team, despite it’s lack of starting pitching.

  193. JeffS on July 31st, 2006 6:41 pm

    Hey guys, who are we rooting for in the A’s – Angles series?

  194. dlupham on July 31st, 2006 6:41 pm

    Sexson hits a home run to center field and Perez walks and Johjima homers. 3 runs in with no outs.

  195. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 6:41 pm

    Dave…last two appearances? Fastballs like crazy. You sure about that, of late?

  196. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:42 pm

    #193: Hey guys, who are we rooting for in the A’s – Angles series?

    Rain.

  197. Dave on July 31st, 2006 6:42 pm

    Yesterday, he threw a ton of splitters. Inglett fouled off about 6 in a row.

  198. Dave in Palo Alto on July 31st, 2006 6:42 pm

    A Tale of Two Games. Bad M’s through 5. Good M’s take over in the 6th.

  199. dlupham on July 31st, 2006 6:42 pm

    Betancourt doubles. Runner on second still no outs

  200. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 6:43 pm

    MLB Gameday, at least, is back on track.

    Sexy. Joh. Yum.

    (Hmm, I think a haiku was just inspired)

  201. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:47 pm

    191

    Excellent point about “Everett Syndrom.” LOL

    Its not that Mateo can’t throw a scoreless inning. Many times he actually does. Its like with Everett, he doesn’t know when to quit. With a bunch of lefties coming up he lets Mateo pitch to one, instead of being grateful he got a good inning…and sure enough…GOOD BYE BASEBALL, and THEN Sherrill comes in. Since Sherrill was apparently just one “mistake” from coming in, why not put him in to face Markadis too?

    Grover just doesn’t believe in a short enough leash. He seems more of a “close the barn door when the horse is out” type of manager.

  202. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 6:48 pm

    And two outings ago? Already deleted it off of my tivo, but I noticed it last week and then a couple days back he pounded the strike zone with fastball, fastball, fastball. I was clenching my teeth waiting for either a splitter or a home run, and neither came. I’m not going crazy…am I?

  203. msb on July 31st, 2006 6:48 pm

    ahhhh. wander away to check on the Aged P., and 4 happy runs are added.

  204. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:49 pm

    What a night at the plate for Lopez and Betancourt. (God, that sounds like Rizzs). With the latter, we knew he looked like Omar Vizquel in his prime defensively, but who would have thought he would hit over .300?

  205. terry on July 31st, 2006 6:49 pm

    #200: here’s a haiku:

    Mateo needs this
    two or three good out pitches
    and he’ll be useful

  206. John in L.A. on July 31st, 2006 6:50 pm

    First installment of a running commentary on our DH production post-Carl…

    .250 .368 .438

  207. lmpike on July 31st, 2006 6:50 pm

    The Sexson/Johjima power explosion has rendered me docile and unemotional to Beltre’s strikeout.

  208. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:51 pm

    206. Beats the hell out of Carl.

  209. terry on July 31st, 2006 6:52 pm

    if we knew meche would only go five being spelled by Mateo with beltre and ichiro going a combined 0 for 8, would we predict the Ms would be up 5?

  210. msb on July 31st, 2006 6:52 pm

    also nice to turn the tv back on & see Benuardo chatting…

  211. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 6:52 pm

    Hargrove puts Fruto in so Putz has a chance at a save.

  212. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:53 pm

    For some reason, this team just seems to hit relievers way better than starters lately. Just like in Cleveland on Sunday. Maybe were just better late in the game.

    FWIW, with a five run differential is the time I’d rather see Mateo work out his kinks and face lefties (if he must). But it worked out alright as Sherrill/Lowe are money as always. Hard to believe Sherrill wasn’t even “allowed” to pitch in the majors for a majority of last year.

  213. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 6:56 pm

    202

    Crazy like a fox!

    Your 2nd sentence in post 124 makes you sound darn near prophetic

  214. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:56 pm

    For some reason, this team just seems to hit relievers way better than starters lately. Just like in Cleveland on Sunday. Maybe were just better late in the game.

    Or the pitchers are worse.

    Everybody in the league fattens their stats on the soft underbelly of middle relief.

    There’s a reason the Bostons and New Yorks of the world build their lineups with patient hitters who boost the pitch count, make the pitchers throw hittable strikes, and get the starter out of the game early.

  215. msb on July 31st, 2006 6:57 pm

    ah, an ice cold towel.

    from a DC friend tonight, who didn’t really appreciate the ‘hot enough for you’ question … “temps for mid-week are pegged at 104 with a heat index of 110-111, maybe highter since we might also get a thunderstorm or two.”

  216. Death On A Pale Horse on July 31st, 2006 6:58 pm

    The thing that’s annoying me, even though he kinda got away with it, is that Hargrove left Broussard on the bench when a righty was pitching to Perez – clearly, he’s just not going to use his platoon properly, except (maybe) in the 8th and 9th. Admittedly, we’re currently stuck with Dobbs instead of Snelling if they bring in a lefty, but I’m pretty sure that’s not why he’s not doing it.

  217. LB on July 31st, 2006 6:59 pm

    Truism: Leadoff walks always come around to score. Sigh.

  218. DKCecil on July 31st, 2006 6:59 pm

    211: You are proving prophetic!

  219. JeffS on July 31st, 2006 7:04 pm

    A great win. I think this team has a chance :)

  220. uglybitch on July 31st, 2006 7:05 pm

    As a matter of fact, he DOES hit that ball a country mile! :)

  221. uglybitch on July 31st, 2006 7:07 pm

    Oh well, so much for positive thinking ;) Sac fly instead, oh well… no more save situation, Fruity or no Fruity!

  222. Hooligan on July 31st, 2006 7:08 pm

    Poster 220 has self-image issues. We should all be encouraging to her(him?).

  223. Rick L on July 31st, 2006 7:11 pm

    Hargrove: Damn it, we need to get a save for Putz and we’ve already used Mateo.
    Chavez: We could always go to Woods in the ninth.
    Hargrove: Genius!

  224. msb on July 31st, 2006 7:12 pm

    Nick Markakis always makes me think of the radio comedian Parkyakarkas, aka Harry Einstein, the father of one Albert Einstein, who changed his name to Albert Brooks when he went into show business….

    your official useless fact of the day.

  225. dw on July 31st, 2006 7:12 pm

    Fernando Tatis: Like Ron Hassey, will live on forever as a pub quiz question.

  226. IdahoInvader on July 31st, 2006 7:14 pm

    Woods seems to really be improving as the year goes on. Maybe he’s someone we could use in middle innings when they’re multiple lefties up and its too early for Gorgeous George. (Or in other words, as an alternative for Mateo in the 5th or 6th).

  227. dlupham on July 31st, 2006 7:14 pm

    I admit it, I like the Corona seaside commercials. No dialog!!

  228. thehiddentrack on July 31st, 2006 7:19 pm

    Lopez looks alot more focused the last couple of games and that double play at the end of the game was great.

  229. apunetid on July 31st, 2006 7:22 pm

    The Twins are beating the Rangers 15-1. Unless the Rangers suddenly become the 2001 Indians, I think it’s safe to say that by the end of the day we’ll be in third place.

  230. ivan on July 31st, 2006 7:32 pm

    Nice four-pitch inning by Jake Woods. I hope Fat Fruto was watching that.

  231. Jon Wells on July 31st, 2006 7:41 pm

    193 JeffS said “Hey guys, who are we rooting for in the A’s – Angles series?”

    I’m undecided which team to root for, but I am hoping for
    some key injuries on each side…

  232. cougs129 on July 31st, 2006 7:50 pm

    im rooting for the angels because we can’t beat the A’s

  233. VaBeachMarinersFan on July 31st, 2006 7:52 pm

    Back from the game. So freakin hot and muggy. At least the lukewarm expensive beer helped quell a bit of the heat, or make me numb enough not to notice. A few observations:

    1. Watching Perez leg out his double was like watching old Edgar leg one out. Perez is ssslllloooowwww.

    2. Joh looked good behind the plate. Somewhere in there (3rd inning??? I think) Meche barked at him a bit. Don’t know what about. Anybody know why?

  234. JeffS on July 31st, 2006 7:55 pm

    Good call, 232.

  235. VaBeachMarinersFan on July 31st, 2006 8:05 pm

    re: 232

    You should also root for all the Angels/A’s games to go deep into extra innings…wear the pitchers down.

  236. DMZ on July 31st, 2006 8:09 pm

    I wanted to watch the A’s/Angels game, but the Angels broadcast crew is so grating I couldn’t take it. And I’ve built up a pretty heavy immunity from all these years of watching M’s games.

  237. chris white on July 31st, 2006 8:15 pm

    Are the mariners for real? I think they finish 10 back of anaheim.

  238. thehiddentrack on July 31st, 2006 8:23 pm

    Yes, because the Angels are so much better.

  239. Lauren, token chick on July 31st, 2006 8:32 pm

    As far as A’s-Angles, I’m rooting for a complete 180. Ba dump.

    Clearly rooting for the Angels, for the reason cited above, and also due to the simple fact that the A’s are further ahead of us right now.

    Game summary haiku:

    New late-game power
    Unexpected but welcome
    Like Hendu struck dumb.

  240. bnem on July 31st, 2006 8:36 pm

    Congrats on keeping the server up. Your hard work paid off for today.

  241. msb on July 31st, 2006 9:40 pm

    I love BBTN– when discussing what Texas did today, we learn that apparently the rest of the AL West “sleptwalked” up to the trading deadline…

  242. msb on July 31st, 2006 10:08 pm

    ah me, and accidently tuning in the end of the KJR postgame/evening show with Sandmeyer, who thinks that Sexson is more than fulfilling his contract, but man, Beltre, they have just got to cut the ties with him, lose that contract, lose him, he’s never going to come around, he isn’t worth what they are paying him, it is time to say goodbye, especially as the Mariners are obviously willing to move him & his salary if they were dealing with the Padres like that well-known baseball figure Hacksaw Hamilton told him almost got done.

    sigh.

  243. colm on July 31st, 2006 10:39 pm

    10 back of those Angels? You are crazeeee

  244. Karen on August 1st, 2006 11:14 am

    #241. I love BBTN, too — NOT! Actually, when they discussed Texas’ moves, they segued right in to how it was a “3 team race” and how competitive the A’s and Angels will be going down the stretch and how Vlad Guerrero will have to pick it up for his team.

    No mention of that other team, now in 3rd place and lurking only 3.5 games out of first place.

    And in their “Web Gems” they featured Grady Sizemore, mentioning only at the last that “oh, the Mariners won that game 10-5″ without any Mariners highlights.

    ESPN and BBTN in particular have degraded into a slick-paged ad-filled magazine of a sportsnetwork…sorta like ESPN:The Magazine, come to think of it.

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