Game 114, Mariners at Rangers
DMZ · August 10, 2006 at 5:04 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Joel Pineiro v Adam Eaton.
Wow, game time sure snuck up on me today.
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I am hearing reports that the Mariners already have middle relief warming up in the bullpen.
Game time snuck up on me too! I bet you Woods is looking forward to today, he knows he’ll get to pitch at least 3 or 4 innings!
Why is Pineiro still starting for us? It seems as if Grover and the management are still clinging onto some hope that he will be good one day.
Just put the W in the Rangers win column. (Pathetic)
Ha! I remember last year in the S.T. they said the M’s might of considered signing this guy since he was good for a while and lives in Washington.
At least our offense should get some knocks in Texas.
Isn’t Eaton coming back from an injury?
3- There hoping for a good start so they could get some trade value. LOL
7: Yeah, this is his fourth start.
Wow, game time sure snuck up on me today.
well, when one gets busy making sure all the fan mail gets read and answered….
so, is tonight the night Eaton gets his stuff back together?
Yeah, maybe the fame is getting to DMZ
That ball was smoked by Beltre.
10- Of course, they are playing us. If it wasn’t for bad luck this team would have no luck.
Lets hope that’s a sign that the “good” Beltre is playing again tonight!
So what would Hargrovian managing look like in real life, in managing our day to day decisions, relationships, etc.? I want to come up with a working definition of Hargrovian that I can whip out in general conversation about dumb things I see or do, the like. Thoughts?
For some reason, I feel like enjoying a delicious Crappucino.
This is going to be like that Ryan Franklin-Texas game only 10 times worse.
When Dave N. was just listing all of the free agents after this year, I couldn’t help but add Buck Showalter to that list in my head.
Pop quiz everyone, how many M’s go hitless tonite. My guess 6.
Pineiro perfect through 1/3 of an inning!
so do they just pop up the same Ricoh scouting report each week?
“Joel struggled in his last outing”
15- Getting caught drunk driving, then bribing the officer with a case of Bud Light.
#21… indeed, each Ricoh report is a copy of the last one.
Get it? Ricoh? Copy? Haha, I kill me.
Yeah no problem… except for his control.
1, 2, 3 inning by Joel? He threw a lot of pitches up in the zone in that inning; I think Texas might start hitting those sometime very soon.
At this rate, Joel might make it through 6 innings!
26: Yes, but if he keeps going at this rate it will be six perfect innings.
With Joel’s pitches up in the strike zone and the fact that he went 3 balls on all 3 hitters, I’d say he’s not going to put many zeroes up there tonight.
Joel is going for the no-no.
Because I haven’t done this in a while…
Beltre since his nadir: (April 16th, so this only dismisses the first two weeks of the season)
.281 .328 .473
15- Having your BBQ flareup and pouring gas on it.
I don’t really believe he’s going to pitch a no-no, even through six. But I’ll take as many zeros as he can put up!
That’s right Ben make him work.
So…when is ‘good’ ben going to show up?
Hey, an 8 pitch at bat.. Not too bad, even though he didn’t end up with a hit.
Every M’s game wouldn’t be the same without a Sexson K.
That was a good inning from Joel.
22, 31,
I don’t know, those are a little overt for me. I feel like it should include buying the conventional wisdom about something that is obviously wrong, for one, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Simultaneously managing to value effort over results, and results over potential.
It certainly isn’t about knee-jerk reactions to me. I feel like being Hargrovian is also about being overly cautious to the point of clear self-detriment. A belief in that things should be done the right way or no way at all.
I don’t know, maybe staying in a relationship long past when you should have realized that it’s holding you down. Or a job. Saving all your money for an emergency, while slowly boring yourself to death by never doing anything. Wearing your lucky underwear, which you never wash because they’re lucky, on every date, despite the fact that they reek and they’re driving away your dates. But I want something I can use.
you know, in the last few days I’ve heard both Raul & Lee Pelekoudas discuss the A’s patience at the plate, and how they work a count, get to the pitcher … how do they get this across to every one else when they get in the box?
Same line for both pitchers currently.
The Rangers (so far tonight) are less patient hitters than the Mariners. It’s like they read the scouting report and think every pitch is going to be a meatball.
Guess putting Pineiro on notice did something.
Pretty unfortunate gameday picture for Jones…
ADAM JONES!!!!!!!!!
I hope they interview Adam Jones after the game so he can talk about that home run.
Way to go Adam! Hopefully, the first of many…
Jones! Man, how exciting is a rookie’s first HR? I can’t wait to see him really start to gel.
Opposite field HR! Way to go kid!
Despite having only one baserunner so far, the Mariners are absolutely smoking the ball. Let’s see how quickly Joel can blow the lead.
The kid has some power. Will be fun to watch him develop.
Home team announcers on mlb.tv put it down to a “careless pitch”.
Nothing about the opposite field power.
Nice one, Adam.
Isn’t Ichiro supposed to hit really good at that ballpark?
Jones!!! I don’t care how bad this guy’s BA is but he needs to be in there close to every day.
I forget, how many home runs does Everyday Willie have???
As I mentioned yesterday. Willie has 4 Xbh all year. Now Jones is tied with him, with considerably fewer at bats.
Hello, Adam Jones!
Don’t make and “Everyday Willie” joke, don’t make and “Everyday Willie” joke… Good boy!
52: Yes, he has hit pretty well at Ameriquest.
They need to commit to him playing everyday and forget about a platoon.
Exactly. The only reason Jones should have a day off for the rest of the season is if is he’s tired, or injured.
There goes the no hitter.
Dang, no no-hitter.
Matt Stairs? When did he go to Texas?
I’d say Joel should throw at Kinsler’s head next time he comes up for breaking up the no-no, but I don’t think it’s likely Joel will still be in the game the next time Kinsler comes up.
Sink or swim, right? It’s time to remove the water wings.
Joel can barely find the strike zone, what makes you think he could actually hit somebody in the head? (Kevin Menche excluded. Look at the size of his head! It’s like an orange on a toothpick!)
How did Beltre hit that last pitch? On gameday it says it was WAY outside and low.
Kevin Mench and his Big Bullum Haid are no longer in Texas.
This umpire has a rather liberal strike zone tonight.
Didn’t Menche move in the Carlos Lee trade? I still don’t remember Stairs going to Texas, how long has he been there?
67: The pitch was a meat pitch and Beltre ripped it.
Richie Sexson is a power hitter, why steal with 2 outs? That is really dumb.
meat=it was over the middle of the plate just above the knees.
It seems that Lopez has come back down to earth here in the later part of the season.
It’d be nice to gain some ground on the Angels who are getting it handed to them 10-2.
He struggled a bit after the break, and then when he went to see his child be born. But it seems like he’s picking it back up, just the power hasn’t been there.
70: Stairs was moved to Texas from Kansas City in a deadline deal.
I’m sorry, are Kevin Mench and Matt Stairs not the same person?
Thanks Pablo! I must have missed that, I was out of town about that time.
That guy with the cotton candy on his head looked like he wanted to end it all.
76, do you remember the date of his return to the lineup?
Uh oh, here it comes…
You could just go look up his game logs yourself
#72– Beltre knew Richie was just about to s.o. again, so he stole the base to get him 3 more ABs. He’s an altruistic guy.
yep– Mench went with Cordero in the Lee deal, Stairs came over for a minor league pitcher
Uh oh. Trouble. Two on no outs.
Ahhhh, there’s that arm. POW
85: And in two pitches, no more trouble.
Seriously. He’s earning his keep tonight.
Derek: the anti-laziness sheriff!
Will do!
2 pitches, 3 outs. Whew!
Looked like Jones couldn’t decide which guy to double up.
#78– no, see, Mench is the guy with the bowling ball for a head, and Matty has the bowling ball gut….
M’s are starting to catch some breaks. It would be nice to see Jones catch that ball ready to throw instead of having to double clutch and make an easy out into a close play. Baby steps, I guess. Now if they could only parlay that into a few runs generated by the bottom of the order, get back to the top and put a team away.
WOOT!
There we go. Slump over?
YES!!! I’ll take it!
BRUCE!
The Mariners are tatooing the ball tonight. I can’t imagine they won’t put up a crooked number against Eaton if he is left in the game for another couple of innings.
so, is there something really good at the American Airlines Center tonight? ’cause every one seems to be in a real hurry to get out of there …
[Pineiro]
wonder if we could talk Jon Daniels (who columnist Randy Galloway persists in rather-bitchily calling ‘Jon Boy’) into swapping Eaton for Pineiro….
101: I don’t think so. Something tells me that Jon Daniels probably isn’t an idiot, although Hargrove wouldn’t like him due to his youth and inexperience.
Isn’t Eaton slated for free agency this offseason?
Oh man. Hargrove should have pulled Joel after the first baserunner. Why tempt fate so? Take the 5 innings and run. I suppose that’s way too much to expect.
We want Lowe.
I really hope the guy from Munster, TX doesn’t win 25G!
103: Yes. Originally Eaton was seeking a three-year deal but I think he lost some leverage when he had surgery.
Too late.
106. Can you explain? I am not watching the game.
God dammit Hargrove, you suck.
There ya go Pineiro, way to regress back to the mean…
Pull Joel out of the game you moron! Does Hargrove just fail to understand when to pull a pitcher?
why wouldn’t we put sherrill in there..
OK, I hate Pineiro, but that was one HELL of a play
Why, oh why is it so painfully obvious to me sitting here in my recliner eating my spaghettios with “meat sauce” that Joel was teetering on the edge of a cliff, having been lucky to get even that far, and not to the damn manager? Is it the mafia fix on the game? Is Grover just plain stupid? Does Howard Lincoln make the pitching change calls based on some economic stuff that makes no sense in baseball? It’s just so damned predictable what’s going to happen when you see Joel go into the 6th inning with a shutout.
Grrrrrrr.
Already in a crummy mood, I get home from work and turn on the TV juuuusssst in time to see 3 runs score. Fab.
For those interested, there’ a new article at baseball prospectus today about the M’s that provides some insight into our relievers, with a hint as to why the organization may not want to put Lowe back into a starting role. The article is free to non-subscribers, I think.
I don’t care about Lowe’s past, however. He should be starting in the future.
what happens is that Hargrove hopes against hope that he can squeeze just one more out before he has to go to the much-inninged bullpen….
Is Grover just plain stupid?
Unfortunately, yes. Look at that, Showalter pulled Eaton before he got lit up. Take notes Grover, you dumbass.
115, I was thinking the same thing laying in my bed watchin it on MLB TV… Apparently we (the fans) are the only ones who realize that Pineiro needs to be pulled AT THE FIRST SIGN of trouble. Hargrove sees a walk and a single as getting “unlucky” Pineiro sees it as “here we go again..” Here is where we hope that the offense can start to hit a little bit and get Pineiro off the hook. Bring on the Texas bullpen!
a ha! it’s Lauren’s fault
[Pineiro]
121 – watch out Lauren, you may get banned like Dave in Palo Alto did last night or whenever that was. Of course, he said that Ichiro can’t hit. All you did was turn your TV on. I would hope just a warning is sufficient.
#117– ah, but he thinks Sherrill is a LOOGY….
dammit I knew I spelled that wrong.
And yet you submitted it anyway.
122… No, see, when you have your worst starter having a start like he is, where he is giving up hard hit balls and walks, then you go to the bullpen when trouble starts. You have an 11 game road trip that will pretty much decide where your team stands for the rest of the season. You MUST win the first game of that road trip and should do whatever you can to win that game. Pineiro working through a jam? No, if its Felix, or Meche sure, let them work through it, hell, even with the way Washburn has been throwin lately let him work through it.. but Joel? c’mon.
Here is the part where the Mariners lie down and die.
WHY IS BROUSSARD BATTING AGAINST WILSON
Come on, team, you show the spark of life and then look dead for inning after inning. What’s the scoop.
Yes but if Hargrove had pulled him he would have brought in Mateo.
Leaving Pineiro in, leaving Broussard in, reasons number 4917 and 4918 to fire grover?
wow, Broussard looked pretty bad there.
Broussard looked bad there because he is hitting .130 / .216 / .217 against lefties.
132: We can only find 4918 reasons to fire Grover? And wtf is Pineiro doing still in the game.
135 – reason number 4919
Why the heck is Joel still there?
134 – I know, it’s a shame the Ms don’t have a RH DH specifically to platoon against lefties. Oh, yeah.
135. Well now there’s 4919 reasons to fire Hargrove.
Game. Set. Match. Hargrove better go grab Pineiro now
Yeah, sorry for the button-pressing.
Let me try to redeem myself: I mailed the moderators about this, but they don’t seem to think it’s very exciting. Buck O’ Neil will be in town, speaking at the West Seattle branch of the library, next Wedneday Aug. 16th.
OH NO.. Mateo first man out AGAIN!? This is borderline INSANITY.. Oh my God I am at a loss for words. MATEO!?! MATEOOOOO!?
UN-Believable
He pulls Pineiro to put in Mateo with the bases loaded? I can’t believe Hargrove’s ineptitude.
Puke.
How is Hargrove still employed?! Or maybe he is asleep and just sleep walking to the mound, thus his decision to bring in Mateo? No idea why on earth he still has a job….
I heart Mateo
I can’t watch, yet I can’t turn away.
OK, now I can turn away.
Oh Jesus Aitch Christ.
How painfully obvious was that? Please fire him now
Unreal. Mike Hargrove snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.
Well, Mateo held them for awhile – until he had to throw his first pitch.
The only conclusion to draw is that Grover wants to lose this game.
OH. MY. GOD.
SOOO much rage built up right now.. Bavasi needs to either fire Hargrove or cut Mateo.
How come Mateo is available everyday?!?
Hargrove has an awesome bullpen and he continues to go to Julio Mateo…I just don’t understand. God I hate Hargrove.
How many more times is Hargrove going to lose us a game single-handedly?
I hope he gets nominated for Rolaids Relief Man of the Year for 2006. There’s nothing that spells relief like multiplying your lead by five.
I’ve never seen a bad decision meet with a result that so perfectly matched it.
Well, do we expect to win when we throw PinAAAro and Mateo at the Rangers?
that was a conflagration you couldn’t predict.
and if you asked Hargrove he’d point to the one time last week that Mateo wiggled out of it, and not to the multitudes of times it has ended just like this did ….
All in all, (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) I think Pineiro would have handled the situation better.
I can just hear the press conference now….
Grover: Joel had a great day today up until the final inning
Reporter: How do you still have a job?
Grover: Well, I figure Mateo has the most wins out of the pen, therefore he is the best option in that situation
Reporter: Seriously, how do you still have a job?
Grover: I think if you Mateo look at Mateo my record Mateo you can…
Reporter: I give up.
Things would have been different had that dumbass taken Pineiro out of the game after 5 innings.
I got so pissed off I messed with Hargrove’s wikipedia page. I’ll probably change it back when I am less pissed off.
164 – any random batting practice pitcher would have handled the situation better.
Hargrove’s like the poker player who never fails to go all-in on an inside straight draw.
This is a joke. What do you suppose Hargrove’s WARM would be? -8, -9? Dave posted an article recently saying that Hargrove isn’t an idiot. I’m inclined to agree. However, if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, Hargrove should be locked up somewhere with padded walls and finger painting classes.
mateo has got to be close to out of a job after this outing.
167 – I think you went far too light on him.
I can see wanting to keep Pineiro in to save the bullpen for the long road trip (what is it, 17 game without a day off?) but when you finally decide to pull him, you have the eintire pen to choose from!
#141– is it sure he’s coming? I know he was advised to lighten his schedule after his trip to the hospital last weekend…
Hargrove:Managing::Mateo:pitching
171.. you would think wouldn’t ya? Somehow I doubt it though
Until now I thought Mateo actually did OK after he allowed all the inherited runners to score. Apparently I was wrong.
This is now amusing to me:
1. Grover fails to yank Pineiro in the sixth inning, a bad decision.
2. Grover fails to yank Pineiro in the seventh inning, a bad decision.
3. Grover finally yanks Pineiro but inserts Mateo into the game with the bases loaded and one out, a bad decision.
4. After Mateo gives up a bases-clearing double, in which the batter-runner is allowed to score on an error, and then puts three more people on base, Hargrove yanks Mateo and uses up another bullpen arm even though the game is out of reach, yet another bad decision.
What is Buck argueing about?
I’ve been reading this site basically since the beginning, have emailed the moderators maybe once or twice, and have commented maybe three times. I read because virtually everybody around here, especially the moderators, knows more about baseball than I do (and loves the Mariners just as much), and this is a great place for me to learn from smart people. I am afraid to comment and invite reproach from smarter people. And yet, with two on in the sixth inning, even I — at about the 10th percentile of baseball knowledge on this site, if not less — knew that it was time for the hook, thanks for the effort, Joel. How on earth does that guy get paid to chip away at my good spirits and minor hopes 162 days — but never more than that — per year?
So did Lowe not come in because he’s hurt or because the Mariners were down one when Pineiro left? Hargrove’s obsession with Mateo could explain it, of course.
Mateo’s batting average against:
No runners: .231
Runners: .384
RISP: .373
RISP/2outs: .333
Sacks full: .357
Hargrove IS an idiot.
Going from the high of a walkoff salami to the low of Pineiro staying in, Broussard not getting pinch hit for with Perez, Pineiro staying in AGAIN, Mateo being used period, and more offensive ineptitude that was only masked the last few games due to Tampa Bay being in town… oh so depressing.
Rally cap time.
‘One of the very few times the bullpen has had a rough time.’ -Rizzs
I guess Mateo and Green haven’t been in the same game too often, so that kinda makes sense.
MSB: Hm, I haven’t had it confirmed. I suppose one would need to call the branch and ask.
A lot of people claim that one reason Hargrove is a terrible manager is that he relies to heavily on conventional wisdom. That is ironic because even conventional wisdom now says that Hargrove is an idiot.
And when I say he “relies to heavily” on conventional wisdom, I of course mean too heavily.
The skipper is drunk at the tiller. If Lowe was available, did Hargrove not use him because he has a silly personal rule that your top relief people can only be used when you are ahead? That was game time, down 3-2. That door had to be slammed. You’ve still got some hope against the Ranger bullpen down only one or two.
167
Good work on the Mike Hargrove wikipedia. I’m holding out hope that it stays that way.
yuni is due for a hit.
I just got home from an all day on my feet deal. Please don’t tell me that Gas Can was given the ball with runners on base? Please? Never mind, I know the answer…sigh
Oh, and not just Lowe. Sherrill would have been available, no? But he can only get one left-handed batter out at a time, no exceptions.
191: Not only were runners on base, but the maximum amount of runners possible were on base.
ichi is due.
191. And not only that, the maximum number, including the batter, scored. On the minimum number of pitches.
I love those ‘chances to get two’ when there are already two outs. Always helps to start with one out in the next inning.
Not being able to see the games lately, how is Ichiro looking at the plate?
I was at the game yesterday. Honestly, Ichiro looked tired. I just cannot understand how some guys get relieved by WB but Ichiro never gets a day off. I know that he says he doesn’t need one but he does. Question, is Shields any good and is he available next year? He looked good yesterday.
Why is Willie in the ballgame? I hate Mike Hargrove so much right now (I made a couple more “edits” to his wiki page).
he looks tired, and he also looks like he hates really hot weather. He isn’t as flushed as he was in Baltimore, but, c’mon.
OK, I gave up after 8th and switched to Yanks-ChiSox on ESPN. ARod and Melky immediately made errors to let the Sox take a 3-0 lead. I feel much better now.
Owning Michael Young on my fantasy team is an interesting thing at the moment. Yesterday, the Rangers beat up the As 14-0 and I was pissed because he went 0-5. Today, he comes up to bat with the bases loaded and Mateo pitching… suffice it to say, I didn’t expect his consecutive RBI-less at bat streak to continue.
According to Wikipedia:
“Between high school and [Mike Hargrove's] major league debut, all four of the teams for which he played (Perryton High, Class A, Class AA, and Texas) all shared the same nickname, the Rangers.”
If the site can refer to Snelling as “Doyle” for superstitious reasons, I see no reason not to refer to Hargrove as “Dudley” until the day he is relieved of his duties.
200- Not sure what you mean, I just thought he looked tired. He might be fresh as a daisy but it’s not what he looked like. What ever.
so, does Sandmeyer on the KJR postgame still talk about how Hargrove is doing just fine, and sure you could pick at little thing here, and a little thing there, just like you could any manager, and let a series like the Oakland series happen & the knee-jerk fans, then they call for his firing but really, he’s fine. Bavasi, on the other hand … and don’t even bring up the failure that is Beltre…
oh, and I loved Johnny Oates, but this is Texas’s 10 year reunion– why are the Ms broadcasters talking it up? Are they planning on showing us the Alumni game?
OK, so here’s the plan. Walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, grand slam.
Or… line out, then the rest.
Yeah.
#205– I was agreeing with you– it’s Hargrove not giving him a day off I don’t agree with
I’m pretty sure 5 walks from Ibañez puts us at WFB.
209-Sorry, I’m beat. Looked forward to this game when I got off work and find out that it’s Grover as usual. Mateo the Gasinator, etc. I guess I am just cranky. Sorry. again!!!
206. Beltre a failure? Not again.
#212– don’t even try to convince Sandmeyer that Beltre will ever be worth anything.
you know, I just sort of assumed that Pineiro would lose this game, but when it happens after you let yourself believe that he might actually pull it off, it is so much harder. And now we get Gil pitching at Arlington. Unlike Yankee Stadium, Gil does not request to pitch in Arlington.
According to Hargrove he felt that they had a good chance to get a double play groundball with Mateo. That’s kind of strange, given that Mateo doesn’t toss many grounders at all.
Postgame presser on FSN; Grover is saying he looked for Mateo to get a DP grounder when he put him in.
And I look to win the PowerBall without buying a ticket.
Drayer just said that when she asked Hargrove if he would have gone to Lowe if he could have, he said yes.
the cway she told it, they both phrased it more diplomatically than I did, though…
Wow!
This game had literally EVERYTHING that is wrong with the our idiot manager, our impatient/impotent offense (even at the American League’s version of what Coor’s USED to be) and our one MAJOR WEAK LINK in the ‘pen.
And NONE of it surprised ANY of us…sigh
219: Actually, the Mariners hit a ton of hard line drives right at people. I don’t think the offense deserves any blame.
220
One walk and five hits in Arlington? That’s pretty bad. Not to mention our August stats going into this game are about as exciting as a funeral:
.227avg .272obp .332slg
Somehow I don’t buy the bad luck excuse this time. Not saying they didn’t hit the ball hard, but you’re saying they don’t deserve ANY blame?
[Pineiro]
I don’t know what it is about this team, but it seems like we go out of our way to lose every game that would bring us back to .500. I could actually research that to see if there’s any truth behind it, but right now I’m just so annoyed at the whole thing that I’d rather pout and not do anything.
*mumble, grumble*
I’m not a Hargrove hater, but he really is showing off his bad side in the last week. Why, oh why did he send P i n e i r o out for the 7th? Grover has watched Joel pitch for over a year and a half, and by God any Major League manager should know when his guy’s done. Grover in the paper today: “Every game from here on out is important.” Really? Like, that series just blown against our main division rival _wasn’t_ important? I mean, it COULDN’T have been _that_ important since Grover didn’t bother to adjust his pitching rotation, instead sending out his three worst pitchers against the As’ three _best_ pitchers.
Grover isn’t stupid in so many words. He simply expects that when he writes out his line-up card, the names on it are the best ten names available to him at the time, and it’s up to those guys to win or lose. Grover doesn’t make match-ups to improve his odds. He’s locked into roles for guys until and unless they massively fail. He really, really believes that it’s up to ‘his regulars’ to win the game, and with that kind of psychological burden he can’t bring himself to intervene when the match-up isn’t there, or it’s reasonable to infer that the performance won’t be there in a particular game situation. Grover’s not a jerk, he’s decent at managing people, and he’s better than Melvin, but at this point he’s a burden to his squad because he’s not capable of making them better.
Mateo’s slider is actually good for a groundball if he locates it down, and in past years he’s pulled off some DPs with it. This year, he can’t get the ball down at all, his slider has been fairly flat lately, which Hargrove knows ’cause he’s commented on it, and the GBs haven’t been there. Yes, Mateo was going to put the ball in the strikezone, but the idea that Mateo Version 06.0 was going to get the DP there is just . . . prayerful. Sean Green is a GB pitcher: he was the better bet by far to get a GB, but he doesn’t have his manager’s confidence ’cause ‘he’s a rookie.’ This is part of being a mediocre manager, getting locked into roles to the point that you convince yourself of seemingly necessary illusions rather than actual marginal probabilities.
We are not going to enjoy this road trip. Good thing I have other, better things on my mind at the present.
One of our starters now has an ERA of 5.91 on the season…
Why on earth are we not calling up some random Joe Dudemar from the farm? Because he might suck and have an ERA of 5? That’s still a whole friggin run better than Pineiro.
:grrr: