Game 140, Rangers at Mariners
Dave · September 8, 2006 at 6:28 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Millwood vs Baek, 7:05 pm.
Mariners put Green and Lowe on 60 day DL to make room for Cruceta and Feierabend on the 40-man roster. Beltre in LA to be with his wife and new child.
Even after an off day, Hargrove’s lineups are still ridiculous.
1. Ichiro, CF
2. Snelling, RF
3. Betancourt, SS
4. Ibanez, LF
5. Sexson, 1B
6. Broussard, DH
7. Johjima, C
8. Lopez, 2B
9. WFB, 3B
Bloomquist gets to start at third base against a RHP because he’s… I don’t know, white, I guess.
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I can’t even remember now, who else is up that can play third? Is Dobbs still here? Beltre is with his wife & their new baby, I assume in LA.
Morse
oops. premature.
Morse, he played a few innings there didn’t he?
Mike Hargrove doesn’t care about black people.
um, yeah.
When this season is over no one will have any justification for claiming that Willie’s “offense” is due to his lack of AB’s.
Congrats to Beltre & his wife.
Still, even if he was around, WFB’s 4-for-11 perforamce over his last 4 games are better than AB’s Aprilish 0-for-19 funk.
Still, why Morse isn’t playing third escapes me.
And what’s up with Ichiro? I can count the number of hitless days he’s had in Aug & Sep, but still his average has dropped twenty-five points….
Morse is the man.Why don’t they give him a shot?
Hargrove’s an idiot. He cannot manage this team of cream puffs who get large salaries.
count those hitless games on both hands, actually.
anyone can ‘count’ I suppose…
Boo Bloomquist! Hooray Beer!
I’m guessing the majority of veteran managers, given the choice between the guy with 90-some games at 3rd vs the guy with about 3 at the major league level is going with the more experienced player….
I keep rolling it over in my head, but the possibility that Cha Baek and the M’s bullpen could have had a 4-5 man no hitter against Boston still makes me boggle. The rest of the bullpen that night held Boston hitless. If he’d been yoinked after the 5th…
Dobbs. Morse. Freaking Navarro. Somebody. Anybody that’s not Bloomquist.
Fortunately I have a fifth of vodka coming in 1.5 hours.
Remember. It wasn’t really Boston. It was a group of guys that happened to wear Red Sox uniform. But facing a Manny-less, Ortiz-less, Varitek-less lineup featuring great hitters like Eric Hinske and Alex Cora, you’re not really facing the Red Sox.
What happened to Green?
We have a Doyle sighting early in the game!
Anyone catch on the Jim Rome show yesterday that Texas Rangers head John Hicks questioned Michael Young’s ethic and said that he wasn’t a “clubhouse leader.”
Obviously, this upset Young and replied to the Arlington media in that regard. Would this mean that Young’s days with Texas are numbered. I’m not sure about his contract status, but what do people think of him in a Marienrs’ uniform. Dude is a gmer. ANd as much as Lopezand Betancourt have great upside, I would have no problem seeing Young replace one of those kids in a heart-beat…,.
Re 14,
I agree with that but….
DOYYYYLLLEEE!!!!!!!
Michael Young is probably the most overrated player in baseball. He wouldn’t start for me ahead of Betancourt or Lopez. His offensive abilities are greatly enhanced by the bandbox of his home ballpark, and his defense sucks.
Moyer must love Ryan Howard. 2 more home runs for all three RBIs to get the win today.
#15– Green has an oblique, doesn’t he?
in other news, Larue speculates on Reed’s
future, and Andriesen looks at the upcoming free
agent pitching
I’d trade for Young. If we could flip him around to some other team for a pitcher.
my reaction to Young is colored by the annoying way he has of sticking it to the Ms….
Michael Young’s season offensive stats: .313 .354 .456 .810
He’s 3rd in BA, 4th in OBP, SLG and OPS, ahead of names such as Orlando Cabrera and Jhonny Peralta and our own YuBet.
I don’t think he could be Yubet’s glove caddy in the field, but Young has always seemed better suited to second base to me and I thought he played well defensively when he played that position.
He’s 29 and I’m certainly not saying I’d give up Yuni or Lopez, but I don’t see how he’s the most overrated player in baseball, either.
When I mentioned Young being 3rd and 4th in offensive categories, I meant by position.
Look at his home/road splits, then get back to me.
25. good call on the career splits. we’ll use it
KEVIN MILLWOOD HAS A NO HITTER GOING THROUGH FOUR!
KEVIN MILLWOOD HAS A NO HITTER GOING THROUGH FOUR!
KEVIN MILLWOOD HAS A NO HITTER GOING THROUGH FOUR!
KEVIN MILLWOOD HAS A NO HITTER GOING THROUGH FOUR!
That should do it.
I think what irritates me about Baek’s success so far is that he’s doing exactly what we want Felix to do, and Felix isn’t paying attention. He’s pitching to contact, using his stuff, getting some missed bats when necessary. If Felix would stop the power pitching motif and let his stuff get the opposing hitter out, we’d all be happier. Baek’s got it figured out, but doesn’t have the stuff of Felix to keep it up. Maybe he can at least tell the young King how to do it.
Remember. It wasn’t really Boston. It was a group of guys that happened to wear Red Sox uniform. But facing a Manny-less, Ortiz-less, Varitek-less lineup featuring great hitters like Eric Hinske and Alex Cora, you’re not really facing the Red Sox.
While that’s largely true, note that Ortiz was in the lineup that day (and hit one of the solo HRs that broke up that no-hitter).
Look at his home/road splits, then get back to me.
People (myself included) were saying the same thing about Alfonso Soriano when he was dealt to the Nationals, and look at the offensive season he’s having. I’d be more inclined to say that a normal park factor applies to Young than that he has an extra super-huge park factor that we should apply.
Ha ha! The jinx0r worked! Boo hoo Millwood!
He’s pitching to contact, using his stuff, getting some missed bats when necessary. If Felix would stop the power pitching motif and let his stuff get the opposing hitter out, we’d all be happier.
For the most part, I’d rather have Felix trying to miss bats. Letting the ball in play is a risky, high variance approach. If that’s what it takes to get him to lay off the fastballs, though, I dunno.
Speaking of off-season pitching… I wonder if Dontrelle Willis will be available? Right now he’s sitting behind Josh Johnson and Scott Olsen… and actually, he might be behind Anibal “no hitter” Sanchez (7-2 and 2.89 ERA — I know, I know, but the Marlins are crazy). I’m not suggesting the Mariners try to get him — I don’t trust NL pitchers or hitters, and the Marlins would probably want something like Sexson with the M’s covering his entire salary — but at this point Willis is an “expensive vetran” by Marlin standards, and it will be interesting to see if he gets dealt. I just find the Marlins a fascinating phenomena.
Kenji!
You go Joh!
My wife requested that.
27, it worked!
I’m not suggesting that Young’s road numbers are his true talent level. I agree, using a normal park factor (perhaps adjusted for handedness) is the better analytical tool.
The original poster just didn’t seem aware that Young’s offensive rankings came about due in large part to the environment he plays half his games in, so I was just pointing that out.
If you want to get technical though, here’s Young’s EqA by year:
.236, .232, .262, .270, .298, .267.
So he’s a decent, slightly above averae hitter and one of the two or three worst defensive shortstops in baseball. That’s not a particularly good player, and it’s nothing like the all-star most people think of him as.
With regard to Hicks, Young, Showalter et al: according to Heyman at SI, the Rangers’ clubhouse sounds like a disaster.
TIVO!!!!! Wow!!! I just got it. And hadn’t seen any of the game tonight until I turned the TV on just to see Joh rounding the bases and I rewound and watched the whole thing unfold. What an awesome thing this is. Life will never be the same again. Now if I could just rewind the whole season and have a parallel universe kick in wherein the Mariners don’t totally suck.
Jeez, three K’s for Doyle.
Note to Snelling: They are giving Millwood an inch or so off of the inside corner.
So he’s a decent, slightly above average hitter and one of the two or three worst defensive shortstops in baseball. That’s not a particularly good player, and it’s nothing like the all-star most people think of him as.
Yeah, that seems right. Was he much better defensively as a 2B? I don’t remember that well.
marbledog: the first time I read that I thought you were saying “now that Kenji has hit this 3-run HR, life will never be the same again.” And I was wondering why this HR was so life-changing… heh.
Now if I could just rewind the whole season and have a parallel universe kick in wherein the Mariners don’t totally suck.
I heard MLB is planning on rolling this feature out in the 2009 season. Sort of an mlb.tv choose your own adventure 162-game video novel.
39 Did you see the link to the players’ poll on worst manager? Mr. Hargrove to show.
For the most part, I’d rather have Felix trying to miss bats. Letting the ball in play is a risky, high variance approach. If that’s what it takes to get him to lay off the fastballs, though, I dunno.
Felix induces so many groundballs that pitching to contact for him on his downward movement stuff is probably going to result in more positives for him then Cha Seung Baek. See also: Westbrook, Jake and Wang, Chien-Ming.
Yeah, Hargrove, Showalter and Scioscia all on that list… and people think it’s just “Moneyball” that keeps the A’s on top. Though that poll doesn’t necessarily reflect abilty, just how the players feel about a manager. While a team will probably give an overbearing/obnoxious coach a break if they’re winning, when they’re losing they’re going to rip that guy even if he is a tactical genius.
This lineup is so weird. Why wouldn’t you just move Raul and Richie up a slot? Because Yuni hit a home run this month?
Also note that the sainted (in these parts) Lou Piniella was #5 on that list last year.
On the radio Fairly and Dave N are talking about the offseaon free-agent pitching market and they keep talking about “that Japanese pitcher” — neither one of them wants to attempt pronouncing his name (or perhaps neither can remember it).
I hope the kids are taking note of this at bat of Raul’s.
The nine pitches, not the groundout.
Owned by Cha Seung Baek for 7 innings. Yes, I know it’s mostly smoke and mirrors but… God damn Texas sucks.
Take the effin’ walk Kenji
no golden sombrero for doyle tonight, bohn in right
*sigh*…
Why pull Baek after only 63 pitches? Is it sweltering down there?
That’s 93.
I’m more annoyed that, with his new arms brought up from the minors, he goes with freaking Jo-EL.
This is really off topic but there doesn’t seem to be much to say at this point, so: Who else thinks the Marlins, with their rotation of 4 rookies + D-Train is the best in baseball (other than a healthy twins rotation)
Happy as I am to get some wins against the AL west, I have to say that Cha Baek’s run of luck bodes very poorly for the rotation next year.
Just taking a quick glance at superficial stats…:
Dontrelle Willis FIP – 4.21, xFIP – 4.63
Josh Johnson FIP – 3.87, xFIP – 4.23
Scott Olsen FIP – 4.12, xFIP – 4.24
Ricky Nolasco FIP – 4.71, xFIP – 4.88
Anibal Sanchez FIP – 4.38, xFIP – 5.35(!)
Brian Moehler FIP – 4.86, xFIP – 5.00
Meh. Olsen and Johnson are good. Willis may not be as good as people believe. The rest are crap.
Ok, I never actually watch the games (I don’t have TV and I’m stuck in San Antonio, Texas until I finish college), so I can’t really tell; is this just one of those Ichiro! slumps that we see inbetween .400 months, or is it something more sinister (such as the infamous “he’s lost a step”)?
Thanks for humbling me. I was rooting for them to get the wildcard but now I realize they’ll probably pitch their way out of the race.
Is this pitcher the guy who threw the chair into the crowd in Oakland?
Yep
66. yes
Get out the rye bread and mustard, Gran’ma, it’s Grand Salami Time!
I SPELL SEXXXXXON WITH FIVE GRAND SLAMMING “X’S”!!!!!
Richie!
Huh, I guess those pitching changes didn’t really pan out.
Hey… did you know we have Ben Broussard on this team? Huh.
Atta boy, Sexy! I love ya, man, but bump up that trade value!
Gamecast is airing video ads during innings now. Great.
Sexson’s gotta be setting some kind of record this season for hitting/slugging with the sacks full. Anybody know how he measures up to the rest of the league this year or others?
I am very unfamiliar with retrosheet, and I don’t even have excel, so I have to ask others to do the data mining for me.
mlb total slug % with sacks juiced .466 in 2006
Is it just me, or are the announcers mentioning “arm angle” and “arm slot” every 3 minutes for the last couple months? How many slots can there be??? Maybe the pitchers in question just plain suck, guys.
sexson in his mariners career: 1.682 slug% with bases loaded
[Pineiro, Chaves]
thanks vaughn
I just noticed Mike Cameron has an .817 OPS this year while playing half his games in SD. I know the division sucks and so does the league really, but with Cameron still producing like this at 33, with a .786 career OPS while playing freakishly good CF defense in pitchers parks his whole career, stealing 29 per year at a 78% clip, and generally playing on winning teams and being known as a good clubhouse influence… does he deserve any kind of shot at the hall?
I can’t imagine Cammy has any real shot at the Hall with his hitting numbers. Also, does anybody know if his defense is still freakishly good in center, or is age catching up to him some?
It does seem though that his offense isn’t dropping off as soon as you’d expect it to.
Ok, so I know Dave has stated that Baek is lousy and really doesn’t have any talent, which for all I know is true (I don’t see the games), but is there any doubt that the M’s aren’t already penciling him into the rotation for next year? He’s pitched well, and I’d think with our need for starting pitching he’d be an easy solution for Bavasi and the guys.
Not saying its a good thing, because it probably means they’ll rely on him going into ST and will think they only need to pick up two starters instead of three.
BOOMSHAKALAKA!!!!!!
Baek has been a pleasant surprise in his recent starts. I’d give him Pineiro’s spot in the rotation anytime.
He couldn’t really do any worse than Pineiro, after all.
Wow, slow thread tonight.
I will be interested to see how Baek fares if/when he faces the Rangers again. That will be a better indicator of his chances to be a good Number 5 next year.
It took him until September to do it, but Sexson finally passed the .250 line in batting average.
For what it’s worth, I just watched Bill James’s son get hammered.
Hey guys it was pretty cool. I went to the game with my friend, got to sit in a suit, then I met Bob Alyward.
If anyone is still here, go read this story about Satchel Paige.
After tonight’s game:
- Cha Seung Baek –
K/9 – 6.29
BB/9 – 3.33
BABIP – .176
LOB% – 92.8%
FIP – 5.17
GB% – 44.1%
FB% – 38.2%
LD% – 17.6%
HR/FB% – 15.4%
Two years ago when Baek first came up, he was throwing more flyballs (50.0%) and striking out fewer, though not much fewer. Baek two years later is inducing more groundballs but basically doing everything else the same. He’s getting lucky with the LOB% and BABIP.
Usual “I’ll sample your small size if you size my small sample” rules apply.
I’m here!
RE 93, that is AWESOME! Check it out, peoples.
“That’s where he got the nickname “Ruler Stick” Paige. Anyhow, everyone in the crowd is laughing, thinking Satch is just horsing around. But he comes out there throws the ruler at a 98 MPH pitch, makes contact and the ball travels at least 1100 feet if it traveled a foot at all. So Satch sometimes would hit home runs on accident. That’s where he came to be known as “accidental” Paige. Heck, his own mother called him “Accidental” Paige,…”
ESPN recap:
“Johjima said he was surprised Hargrove didn’t give him a bunt sign with runners on first and second.
“Then I tried to hit it as hard as I could,” Johjima said through a translator.”
Cammy is possibly my favorite player ever, but he isn’t close to a hall of famer.