Comments on: You get what you pay for http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Brian Rust http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143782 Brian Rust Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:50:33 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143782 Jarrod Washburn is a #4 starter in the Lake Wobegon League, where all the pitchers are above average. Jarrod Washburn is a #4 starter in the Lake Wobegon League, where all the pitchers are above average.

]]> By: F-Rod http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143776 F-Rod Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:47:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143776 I still don't understand how you can call Washburn a fourth starter?....What other 4th starters are you refering to? He is a weak 2 or a strong 3. Where is your justification for calling him a 4? Looking over the rosters I can only find a few examaples where he would not be an obvious choice for the top 4 in a rotation and there are a lot of places where he is at least the second best pitcher on the team. I like having him in the rotation, if he has a good offense around him his team will win a lot of games. His durability is almost unmatched and this should be considered when calling him a "4th starter." I still don’t understand how you can call Washburn a fourth starter?….What other 4th starters are you refering to? He is a weak 2 or a strong 3. Where is your justification for calling him a 4? Looking over the rosters I can only find a few examaples where he would not be an obvious choice for the top 4 in a rotation and there are a lot of places where he is at least the second best pitcher on the team. I like having him in the rotation, if he has a good offense around him his team will win a lot of games. His durability is almost unmatched and this should be considered when calling him a “4th starter.”

]]> By: IdahoInvader http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143741 IdahoInvader Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:10:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143741 Woops...wrong thread, lol Woops…wrong thread, lol

]]> By: IdahoInvader http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143739 IdahoInvader Wed, 13 Sep 2006 04:06:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143739 Did I read the in game box correctly? We got NINE hits in less than three innings off of Marcum (including two dingers) and STILL only got three runs? I'm almost afraid to ask how that must have occured...sigh Did I read the in game box correctly?

We got NINE hits in less than three innings off of Marcum (including two dingers) and STILL only got three runs? I’m almost afraid to ask how that must have occured…sigh

]]> By: Josh http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143684 Josh Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:54:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143684 If anything, the complete 'consistency' of his performance from last year to this one might be an omen of deteriorating skills. Consider that approximately half his starts will be at The Safe, and certain things like 'hits' and 'home runs' should be expected to take a slight dip. They didn't. Then again, it could just be a slight variation causing the so-called stability. In any case, though, he's not getting <i>better</i>. If anything, the complete ‘consistency’ of his performance from last year to this one might be an omen of deteriorating skills. Consider that approximately half his starts will be at The Safe, and certain things like ‘hits’ and ‘home runs’ should be expected to take a slight dip. They didn’t.

Then again, it could just be a slight variation causing the so-called stability. In any case, though, he’s not getting better.

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143676 joser Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:53:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143676 Didn't say it wouldn't happen; just that it would give most managers pause. Hargrove would consistently bring Mateo in with men on, too, and we know how that generally turns out. Didn’t say it wouldn’t happen; just that it would give most managers pause. Hargrove would consistently bring Mateo in with men on, too, and we know how that generally turns out.

]]> By: JI http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143675 JI Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:42:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143675 oops. <strike>So</strike> oops. So

]]> By: JI http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143674 JI Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:41:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143674 84 Interesting since So <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/houghch01.shtml" rel="nofollow">Hough</a> and <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodwi01.shtml" rel="nofollow">Wood</a> started their careers as relievers, and remained in the bullpen for many years before the were given the opportunity to start. 84

Interesting since So Hough and Wood started their careers as relievers, and remained in the bullpen for many years before the were given the opportunity to start.

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143672 Dave Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:08:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143672 The M's paid a lot of money to sign Wellington Dotel, too. Despite not performing up to expectations, he was a legitimate prospect in their eyes, not some organizational player like most of the guys who have been caught so far. And Dotel's the only Mariner to get caught this year. I think they've done a good job reacting to the positive tests of the past few years. The M’s paid a lot of money to sign Wellington Dotel, too. Despite not performing up to expectations, he was a legitimate prospect in their eyes, not some organizational player like most of the guys who have been caught so far.

And Dotel’s the only Mariner to get caught this year. I think they’ve done a good job reacting to the positive tests of the past few years.

]]> By: dgarnett http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/comment-page-2/#comment-143669 dgarnett Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:56:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/12/you-get-what-you-pay-for/#comment-143669 I know this is a bit off topic, but not mentioned elsewhere, but yet another Mariner farm hand has been suspended for 50 games for violating the drug policy. At what point should we start holding the team physicians and trainers responsible, it really seems like the M's have an overabundance of this type of thing happening compared to other teams. <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-drugsuspension&prov=ap&type=lgns" rel="nofollow"> link </a> I know this is a bit off topic, but not mentioned elsewhere, but yet another Mariner farm hand has been suspended for 50 games for violating the drug policy. At what point should we start holding the team physicians and trainers responsible, it really seems like the M’s have an overabundance of this type of thing happening compared to other teams.

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