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	<title>Comments on: Looking Ahead: Francisco Cruceta, sort of</title>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144839</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, &quot;the other&quot; story of the demise of Score&#039;s career -- the idea that Gil MacDougald&#039;s line drive was what ruined him as a pitcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, &#8220;the other&#8221; story of the demise of Score&#8217;s career &#8212; the idea that Gil MacDougald&#8217;s line drive was what ruined him as a pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: LF Monster</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144808</link>
		<dc:creator>LF Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it a Myth?  I&#039;m not saying Holman was a future HOFer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it a Myth?  I&#8217;m not saying Holman was a future HOFer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144803</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Score&#039;s problems had nothing to do with McDougald&#039;s line drive, as he told everybody he could -- it was the standard story, arm damage from overwork.  The other is one of baseball&#039;s modern myths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Score&#8217;s problems had nothing to do with McDougald&#8217;s line drive, as he told everybody he could &#8212; it was the standard story, arm damage from overwork.  The other is one of baseball&#8217;s modern myths.</p>
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		<title>By: LF Monster</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144793</link>
		<dc:creator>LF Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the pictures of &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.lookoutlanding.com/images/admin/cruceta.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Cruceta throwing&lt;/a&gt; the only real difference I noticed between his Fastball and Splitter (body wise) is that he seems to fall more towards first base on a Fastball delivery.  I&#039;m obviously not an expert. I look forward to reading your perspectives every day(if you&#039;re reading this and post daily I mean you.) 

I don&#039;t know about him being next years closer, but I have liked the idea of Soriano and agree Woods could be an option.  If Bavasi/Other decides to groom a new closer every year, to trade for other needs the next year, I&#039;m all for it.  I thought they should have traded Guardado last offseason with the arms available to replace.  This year I&#039;d say it&#039;s more of an &#039;if&#039;.  There&#039;s no certainty that Soriano will ever pitch the same competitively. I mean look at the shot Holman took that he never looked the same after and that was just a HR after 8 2/3 Perfect.  At least we had Buhner instead of a perfect game.  Most of us know there have been pitchers who got hit by line drives that, though they physically recovered, were never the same on the field.  Herb Score is a different example because of the busted eye socket

From an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/ber0int-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview with Yogi Berra&lt;/a&gt; Was there a pitcher that gave you trouble? Any pitcher you didn&#039;t like? 

No. Well, Herb Score. I remember Herb Score was a tough man. I had a tough time with Alex Kellner in Philadelphia, &#039;til I got the hang of him. But he gave me a little rough time. But Herb Score could have been another Sandy Koufax, I think, if he didn&#039;t get hit in the eye with Gil McDougald&#039;s line drive.


On the Johjima front I&#039;ve been wondering if the idea is to keep him at catcher long enough to ease a Japanese pitcher or 2 in before Rauls contract is up and Clement may be ready for the show.  If Clement comes around defensively, and Johjima was happy and productive as a DH this could be a great way to implement both.  Having a productive backup catcher at DH is a luxury I&#039;m sure any Manager could enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the pictures of <a href="http://images.lookoutlanding.com/images/admin/cruceta.JPG" rel="nofollow"> Cruceta throwing</a> the only real difference I noticed between his Fastball and Splitter (body wise) is that he seems to fall more towards first base on a Fastball delivery.  I&#8217;m obviously not an expert. I look forward to reading your perspectives every day(if you&#8217;re reading this and post daily I mean you.) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about him being next years closer, but I have liked the idea of Soriano and agree Woods could be an option.  If Bavasi/Other decides to groom a new closer every year, to trade for other needs the next year, I&#8217;m all for it.  I thought they should have traded Guardado last offseason with the arms available to replace.  This year I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s more of an &#8216;if&#8217;.  There&#8217;s no certainty that Soriano will ever pitch the same competitively. I mean look at the shot Holman took that he never looked the same after and that was just a HR after 8 2/3 Perfect.  At least we had Buhner instead of a perfect game.  Most of us know there have been pitchers who got hit by line drives that, though they physically recovered, were never the same on the field.  Herb Score is a different example because of the busted eye socket</p>
<p>From an <a href="http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/ber0int-5" rel="nofollow">interview with Yogi Berra</a> Was there a pitcher that gave you trouble? Any pitcher you didn&#8217;t like? </p>
<p>No. Well, Herb Score. I remember Herb Score was a tough man. I had a tough time with Alex Kellner in Philadelphia, &#8217;til I got the hang of him. But he gave me a little rough time. But Herb Score could have been another Sandy Koufax, I think, if he didn&#8217;t get hit in the eye with Gil McDougald&#8217;s line drive.</p>
<p>On the Johjima front I&#8217;ve been wondering if the idea is to keep him at catcher long enough to ease a Japanese pitcher or 2 in before Rauls contract is up and Clement may be ready for the show.  If Clement comes around defensively, and Johjima was happy and productive as a DH this could be a great way to implement both.  Having a productive backup catcher at DH is a luxury I&#8217;m sure any Manager could enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144772</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I need to work on my &lt;i&gt;thinking&lt;/i&gt; skills; or at least, on not posting when half-asleep.  Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I need to work on my <i>thinking</i> skills; or at least, on not posting when half-asleep.  Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda off topic, but thinking about next year are there any Japanese pitchers other than Matsuzaka that the mariners should be looking at?  Uehara maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda off topic, but thinking about next year are there any Japanese pitchers other than Matsuzaka that the mariners should be looking at?  Uehara maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAM, you might want to work on your linking skills.

Anyways, I&#039;ve seen Gassko talk about chaining before, and honestly, I think he makes too big a deal out of it.  And, as always, he really needs to learn to make less conclusive statements.  He has a bad habit of showing somewhat interesting information and acting as if he&#039;s closed the case.  His data work is almost always better than his writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAM, you might want to work on your linking skills.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;ve seen Gassko talk about chaining before, and honestly, I think he makes too big a deal out of it.  And, as always, he really needs to learn to make less conclusive statements.  He has a bad habit of showing somewhat interesting information and acting as if he&#8217;s closed the case.  His data work is almost always better than his writing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144768</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind . . .  It&#039;s an interesting article, but it&#039;s actually &lt;a&gt;the discussion of it on BBTF&lt;/a&gt; that would bear on Cruceta.

I&#039;m heading towards Corco territory, here . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind . . .  It&#8217;s an interesting article, but it&#8217;s actually <a>the discussion of it on BBTF</a> that would bear on Cruceta.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m heading towards Corco territory, here . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Johjima &gt; Wilson (and by extension, any other catcher the Mariners have ever had.

I was just trying to point out that the difference is not as bad as it might seem to some of us at first thought -- because we all remember the end of Wilson&#039;s career (when the performance slide just seemed to go on and on and on year after year after year) and forget that for a couple of years he was actually a decent hitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Johjima &gt; Wilson (and by extension, any other catcher the Mariners have ever had.</p>
<p>I was just trying to point out that the difference is not as bad as it might seem to some of us at first thought &#8212; because we all remember the end of Wilson&#8217;s career (when the performance slide just seemed to go on and on and on year after year after year) and forget that for a couple of years he was actually a decent hitter.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/18/looking-ahead-francisco-cruceta-sort-of/comment-page-2/#comment-144766</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That being, of course, the discussion of Cruceta, not of Johjima.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being, of course, the discussion of Cruceta, not of Johjima.</p>
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