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		<title>By: beckya57</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/28/that-letter-to-season-ticket-holders/comment-page-4/#comment-148083</link>
		<dc:creator>beckya57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 06:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, guys, I&#039;ve been telling you off and on all season that the M&#039;s problems start at the top.  Do you believe me now??  I&#039;ve also been telling you that the only way anything is ever going to change is if the fans STOP SUBSIDIZING THIS #$@%##&amp;**!!  In other words, quit going to games.  Money is the only thing Armstrong and Lincoln understand or care about.  I&#039;ve been to one M&#039;s game since 2003 (and I only went to that one because it was a church outing).  I used to be a 16-game package holder every year (starting back when they were 20-game packages).  I absolutely refuse to support this @#%$, and you should too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, guys, I&#8217;ve been telling you off and on all season that the M&#8217;s problems start at the top.  Do you believe me now??  I&#8217;ve also been telling you that the only way anything is ever going to change is if the fans STOP SUBSIDIZING THIS #$@%##&amp;**!!  In other words, quit going to games.  Money is the only thing Armstrong and Lincoln understand or care about.  I&#8217;ve been to one M&#8217;s game since 2003 (and I only went to that one because it was a church outing).  I used to be a 16-game package holder every year (starting back when they were 20-game packages).  I absolutely refuse to support this @#%$, and you should too.</p>
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		<title>By: Huffines</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/28/that-letter-to-season-ticket-holders/comment-page-4/#comment-147972</link>
		<dc:creator>Huffines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 07:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d pay good money to see someone perform neuro-surgery on wombats.

More than I pay to go to M&#039;s games (I&#039;m a bleacher bum that bum-rushes the other sections with open seats).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d pay good money to see someone perform neuro-surgery on wombats.</p>
<p>More than I pay to go to M&#8217;s games (I&#8217;m a bleacher bum that bum-rushes the other sections with open seats).</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/28/that-letter-to-season-ticket-holders/comment-page-4/#comment-147814</link>
		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 01:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LB: yes, that bites.  in your shoes, the decision is much much harder, just as it is in the shoes of those folks who may not be charter seat holders, but who have been season ticket holders long enough that they&#039;ve moved into optimal territory.  for the rest of the season ticket holders though, the ones who don&#039;t ever get to move up...the choice is a little easier.

ya know, the best seats in the house at cheney stadium cost $600 for an entire year.  that is the first 2 rows and includes parking for every game as well as guaranteed promotional items and special incentive prizes (like throwing out a ceremonial first pitch or taking batting practice).  Okay, so the price will probably be going up, what with the new owner, but still..... best decision I ever made.  (well, one of the best)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB: yes, that bites.  in your shoes, the decision is much much harder, just as it is in the shoes of those folks who may not be charter seat holders, but who have been season ticket holders long enough that they&#8217;ve moved into optimal territory.  for the rest of the season ticket holders though, the ones who don&#8217;t ever get to move up&#8230;the choice is a little easier.</p>
<p>ya know, the best seats in the house at cheney stadium cost $600 for an entire year.  that is the first 2 rows and includes parking for every game as well as guaranteed promotional items and special incentive prizes (like throwing out a ceremonial first pitch or taking batting practice).  Okay, so the price will probably be going up, what with the new owner, but still&#8230;.. best decision I ever made.  (well, one of the best)</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/28/that-letter-to-season-ticket-holders/comment-page-4/#comment-147798</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 23:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#167: &lt;i&gt;See, now that’s fair. So if you’re fed up, don’t renew your season tickets. It was your choice to buy them, it’s your choice to not renew them. &lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t renew them, huh? Have you got any idea how much Charter Seat Licenses cost when the stadium opened?

The team has CSL holders my the short hairs. Not renewing is not a realistic option, the resale value of those CSL is at an all-time low, and the team is doing nothing to make the value higher. 

There were &lt;i&gt;zero bids&lt;/i&gt; on a 20-game CSL offered on eBay last week for the low, low &quot;Buy It Now&quot; price of $7,500, and bidding started at $6000. Not a single bid was offered. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com/Seattle-Mariners-Charter-Seat-License_W0QQitemZ250029578516QQcmdZViewItem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eBay Link&lt;/a&gt; 

There&#039;s no point in my sending in an email to the team to register a protest. They know, and I know, I&#039;m stuck with them. I&#039;m signed up for 81 games at whatever price they choose to charge me through 2018.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#167: <i>See, now that’s fair. So if you’re fed up, don’t renew your season tickets. It was your choice to buy them, it’s your choice to not renew them. </i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t renew them, huh? Have you got any idea how much Charter Seat Licenses cost when the stadium opened?</p>
<p>The team has CSL holders my the short hairs. Not renewing is not a realistic option, the resale value of those CSL is at an all-time low, and the team is doing nothing to make the value higher. </p>
<p>There were <i>zero bids</i> on a 20-game CSL offered on eBay last week for the low, low &#8220;Buy It Now&#8221; price of $7,500, and bidding started at $6000. Not a single bid was offered. </p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Seattle-Mariners-Charter-Seat-License_W0QQitemZ250029578516QQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">eBay Link</a> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no point in my sending in an email to the team to register a protest. They know, and I know, I&#8217;m stuck with them. I&#8217;m signed up for 81 games at whatever price they choose to charge me through 2018.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I think you’ll also see a big dip in weekend season ticket holders and package deals. The allure of Safeco is wearing off. It’s a decent way to spend an afternoon but it’s not an “event” the way it used to be. The field itself just isn’t go to be enough to drag people out.  &lt;/i&gt;

That usually how it works with new parks, anyway. Can&#039;t believe even the Ms would be that stupid to think they could have a cash cow without a winning team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I think you’ll also see a big dip in weekend season ticket holders and package deals. The allure of Safeco is wearing off. It’s a decent way to spend an afternoon but it’s not an “event” the way it used to be. The field itself just isn’t go to be enough to drag people out.  </i></p>
<p>That usually how it works with new parks, anyway. Can&#8217;t believe even the Ms would be that stupid to think they could have a cash cow without a winning team.</p>
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		<title>By: metz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>metz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ll also see a big dip in weekend season ticket holders and package deals. The allure of Safeco is wearing off. It&#039;s a decent way to spend an afternoon but it&#039;s not an &quot;event&quot; the way it used to be. The field itself just isn&#039;t go to be enough to drag people out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ll also see a big dip in weekend season ticket holders and package deals. The allure of Safeco is wearing off. It&#8217;s a decent way to spend an afternoon but it&#8217;s not an &#8220;event&#8221; the way it used to be. The field itself just isn&#8217;t go to be enough to drag people out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nintendo Marios</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/09/28/that-letter-to-season-ticket-holders/comment-page-4/#comment-147762</link>
		<dc:creator>Nintendo Marios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, the point is that Howie&#039;s definition of &quot;legitimate contender&quot; is defined without reference to win/loss.  

Howie&#039;s &quot;legitimate contender&quot; is a team the public perception of which is sufficient to maintain attendance at budgeted levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, the point is that Howie&#8217;s definition of &#8220;legitimate contender&#8221; is defined without reference to win/loss.  </p>
<p>Howie&#8217;s &#8220;legitimate contender&#8221; is a team the public perception of which is sufficient to maintain attendance at budgeted levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good news is watching the Cougs play USC on Saturday might make me feel slightly better. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good news is watching the Cougs play USC on Saturday might make me feel slightly better. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were 15,000 season ticket holders this year, and if I had to guess after this headline came out, there will be 5,000 of those people canceling.

That&#039;s about 1/3 of their season ticket base gone, and certainly many more fans will send nasty emails and phone calls their way. We&#039;ll see what happens, but barring a miracle, &quot;The Idiot Trust&quot; is back for another year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were 15,000 season ticket holders this year, and if I had to guess after this headline came out, there will be 5,000 of those people canceling.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about 1/3 of their season ticket base gone, and certainly many more fans will send nasty emails and phone calls their way. We&#8217;ll see what happens, but barring a miracle, &#8220;The Idiot Trust&#8221; is back for another year.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Legitimate contenders don’t have to win or play .500 ball.&lt;/i&gt;

Um, unless you&#039;re discussing the 1973 NL East, 1984 AL West or 2005 NL West, you won&#039;t contend without being above .500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Legitimate contenders don’t have to win or play .500 ball.</i></p>
<p>Um, unless you&#8217;re discussing the 1973 NL East, 1984 AL West or 2005 NL West, you won&#8217;t contend without being above .500.</p>
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