Game 160, Rangers at Mariners
DMZ · September 29, 2006 at 6:10 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Padilla v Feireabend. The Mariners are playing for a shot at .488, the Rangers would love to continue beating up the M’s to finish above the break-even mark themselves.
What crazy lineup will the newly-emboldened Hargrove come up with? What wacky hijinks will he get up to?
Unfortunately, it looks like he wasn’t feeling particularly adventurous.
CF-L Ichiro
3B-R Beltre
C-R Johjima
LF-L Ibanez
1B-R Sexson
DH-L Broussard
2B-R Lopez
RF-L Snelling
SS-R Betancourt
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The .500 ship has sailed. .488’s not so bad, though.
Fixed.
This isn’t grover’s worst lineup by far.
What crazy lineup will the newly-emboldened Hargrove come up with? What wacky hijinks will he get up to?
Triple steal. With two outs. In a tie game.
I’m posting the lineup now.
The Mariners are really playing for a shot to tie the Rangers for third place.
Look at all those left handed socks!
I haven’t seen this many lefty socks since I attended the Sifl and Olly convention.
Ah. M’s are an underdog tonight, at +114. The spread is a run and a half and it looks like a ton of people have taken the M’s with the run and a half, which is interesting.
Joaquin Arias the Rangers shortstop for tonight really looks like he’s lying about his age (says he was born September 21, 1984.
So far in September:
Dobbs has 10 AB’s, Adam Jones has 2.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Meanwhile, over in a game that actually matters — 4th inning, Phillies at Florida:
– C. Coste flied out to center
- A. Nunez singled to right
- J. Moyer singled to left, A. Nunez to second
- J. Rollins doubled to deep right center, A. Nunez scored, J. Moyer to third
- M. Herges relieved B. Moehler
- S. Victorino singled to right, J. Moyer scored, J. Rollins to third
- C. Utley singled to second, J. Rollins scored, S. Victorino to second
- R. Howard popped out to shortstop
- P. Burrell walked, S. Victorino to third, C. Utley to second
- D. Dellucci hit by pitch, S. Victorino scored, C. Utley to third, P. Burrell to second
- C. Coste doubled to deep left, C. Utley and P. Burrell scored, D. Dellucci to third
- A. Nunez intentionally walked
- J. Moyer grounded out to pitcher
Moyer gets a hit and scores a run, Ryan Howard pops out. I guess the Phillies will take offense wherever they can find it.
Griffey and the Reds scheduled to come to Safeco June 22-24 next season!
What’s wrong with this picture?
Hargrove is the manager.
10: I don’t know.
Dobbs is a proven pitcher.
Wait (hey! I can post again!)
Actually, in games that matter to *me*, the A’s play the Angels who, if they win more than one of their remaining games, will put a dent in my otherwise quite nice pre-season over/under predictions.
I hear we’re going to go get another lefty sock this offseason!
I love that Henderson said that the team’s improvement is the reason Hargrove and all the coaches are coming back for next year… after they just fired some of the coaches.
Also, the chocolate ration has been increased to 20g.
13- Stupid me, how could I forget?
Dobbs has earned those AB’s, with his 8 years in the minors.
18: All of the coaches that we have now are coming back next year.
Mariner Baseball. Its all about maintaining LOW EXPECTATIONS!
That’s my philosophy. If we can lose, that’s OK. I’m impressed if the whole team shows up to the park!
Doyle is so awesome.
To make things worse, the A’s are playing a horrible lineup: 3B is Adam Melhuse, SS is Jimenez, and 2B is Perez. Ugh.
Good lord. Anytime Adam Melhuse STARTS at 3B, there’s a problem. I know he’s been ther ea few times during blowouts over his career, but a start?
2B is Ellis though
OMG, Ibanez has been outstanding in left field? Is this propoganda night?
Wait… every night is propoganda night.
Yahoo’s got it at Perez. I haven’t tuned in to that game, despite my nagging interest in how my predictions will turn out.
Let’s put a friendly $5 wager on it that it’s Ellis.
It’s Ellis.
No way, Corco, I’m on to you and your tricks.
Beltre bomb!
I’d have voted for Ichiro as Mariner MVP. Maybe I’ll turn polls on tomorrow to see if USSMers agree.
What? You think I have the power to change the second baseman? If that were the case, Willie would never have played 2nd.
Hell, even if I had the power to choose the A’s second baseman, Frank Thomas would be playing there!
32- I’d have to go with Raul. Ichiro and JJ have to be up there as well. Maybe a sympathy vote for Joel!
I love good Beltre.
JJ is mine. He’’s awesome. Ichiro only for agreeing to (finally) play Center.
Frank Thomas could fall over and have twice the range of Bret Boone.
I’d pay a decent amount of money to see that.
That’s what the Mariners need to do, is bring Edgar and Wilson and Henderson and Olerud and Buhner and Valle out of retirement. That would put butts in the seats.
With Ichiro in CF, there was never a better time to Bring Back Buhner!
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They could do a reunion tour. Play the Emerald Queen Casino. I’d go. Opening band? Sandfrog.
I wish I were a GM.
Me too. Of the Athletics, say.
Why would you want to be GM of the Athletics?
Actually, take that back. I want to go a step higher. I wish I were a team president.
a) Billy Beane would no longer by the GM
b) You would be the GM
I wish you were a team president too. Of the Mariners, say.
So I could insist that we bring Jay Buhner and Edgar Martinez out of retirement no matter what the cost?
You couldn’t be worse than Chuck Armstrong.
My cat wouldn’t be as bad as Chuck Armstrong. And she’s stupid.
Oh, come on, not even Chuck Armstrong is as bad as a stupid cat would be. Why, I’ll bet Chuck uses the toilet to relieve himself every time, and never ever scratches the furniture.
Chuck Armstrong wouldn’t make posts to USSM drunk, though. Just sayin’.
Stupid cats need the MOST attention!
Corco’s cat didn’t email me to tell me that Hargrove was uniquely qualified to manage a young team.
My cat has never made a post to USSM drunk. My cat can’t intake alcohol willingly or type.
Hey, but Hargrove IS uniquely qualified- due to his signature being on a contract for $2 million in 2007 to manage the Seattle Mariners. Nobody else meets that description, right?
And yes, I’ve checked to see if the cat will willingly intake alcohol. For some reason the smell of Monarch turns her off.
Monarch? eeeew.
Oh, right, you’re a college student. My bad. It’s probably quite acceptable in a spodie.
That the cat is repelled by the smell of Monarch anything should help refute the notion that it is entirely stupid.
I’m concerned about how many pitches Feierabend is throwing.
Also, when he become s afixture on the team, there will be a whole new raft of deleted comments.
Corco’s cat is uniquely qualified to meow and scratch the door.
She didn’t like Idaho Silver either. Or Smirnoff.
My cat is actually de-clawed because she lives exclusively indoors. So she don’t scratch nothin.
62… try Sauza Hornitos.
That was some heart and/or hustle right there.
David, you’re a vodka drinker? Probably a good choice. A vodka tonic would be an excellent drink to order during the winter meetings when you’re a GM.
59… not just that, it also proves the cat is more intelligent than Corco.
I don’t know. One handle of Idaho Silver is 60% of the cost of a handle of Monarch.
Vodka >>>>>> Beer
I mix it with strawberry soda so I can drink it in the dorms in front of RAs and they can’t tell.
My cat is not more intelligent than me! She learned everything she knows from me! And more!
Declawing a cat… that’s just wrong. Oh well, what goes on in Idaho fails to surprise me.
Vets say it’s totally ethical if the cat never leaves the house. I don’t agree with it, but my parents wouldn’t have kept it and it would have gone to the pound if we didn’t. And she can’t tell, she thinks she has claws.
I don’t think all vets would agree with that. Maybe not even most vets.
But annyyyyway… go Doyle
69… yeah, I bet that is really fooling the RAs. I mean, nobody has ever thought of adding punch to liquor to make it appear like a fruity beverage.
That’s sort of like Boone’s Strawberry Hill without so much formaldehyde, DJC.
74: I know, but the RAs can use their RA “Blinders” when it’s mixed. If I drink it straight, they have to write me up when the see my eyes bug out.
and when I open the cap straight, the whole hall instantly smells of alcohol.
Wait until Corco discovers jello shots.
Shhhh.
and when I open the cap straight, the whole hall instantly smells of alcohol.
The whole hall should always smell like alcohol.
Your eyes bug out drinking that?
Oh, to be young again. I’ve gotten to the point where
straight gin with an olivevery dry martinis don’t do that to me.I love Jello shots, I had them last week.
Monarch is perhaps the most repulsive liquid known to man. Of course my eyes bug out. Give me the Captain, however, and nothing at alll…..
I love how they’re promoting that Jr is going to be in town next June. Really, what are the odds that he’s healthy for three specific days next summer? 1 in 20? 1 in 50?
The whole hall would, except everybody mixes their liquor with strawberry soda.
Not very high.
Wait until Corco discovers jello shots.
Note my usage of the term “spodie” earlier. Corco has a whole world of booze-induced fun to look forward to.
having your hall smell like alcohol should be the least of your worries.
Captain Crunch? Captain Kangaroo? Captain, my Captain?
What’s worse, a hall that smells like cheap booze, or one that smells like cheap booze mixed with strawberry soda?
I shouldn’t talk, my dormmates drank the Beast.
Monarch is perhaps the most repulsive liquid known to man
Yeah, but mixed with strawberry soda? What’s the point of using good vodka with THAT as a mixer?
I’ll happily drink good vodka straight ice-cold, or in a mixed drink where the vodka IS part of the drink, but if you’re going to bury the flavor under that much sugar, sure, use the cheapest rotgut you can.
It doesn’t even need to be cold. I love good warm Smirnoff. That’s good shit.
I’d like to point out that Raul Ibanez, a former catcher, is often lauded for his strong throwing arm.
He’s something like 0 for 1,423 trying to throw guys out at the plate this year. He absolutely sucks at throwing runners out from the outfield.
Good thing he’s in LF, then. Too bad he’s not the DH.
I think he’s thrown out at least two people this year Dave.
And David, trust me, vodka is best syrupy and well below the freezing point of water.
Warm vodka, now I’ve heard everything. I have vodka in the house, but it’s either 3-Star or Cossack and used for euthanizing fish.
Good liquor is brown.
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Good liquor is brown.
Sure it is, but I’ll drink very cold vodka in shots. Or tequila that’s transparent. Mmm, Patron Silver.
I have a bottle of Belvedere in the freezer at all times.
93 and 94 – Speaking of outfield throwing arms and conventional wisdom and such…
In general (and more important factors such as speed, range, routes, etc being equal), shouldn’t you put your best outfield arm in center, 2nd best arm in left and worst arm in right, since this is where the vast majority of throws come from? Isn’t putting your best arm in RF since that’s where the longest throws occur far less frequently kind of like saving your closer for save situations?
Everyone seems to accept that the best arm belongs in RF (in fact, it was long used as an argument why Ichiro shouldn’t play CF), but I just don’t see the logic in it. Anybody have anything to add to that.
Captain Morgan is good.
But I drink Admiral.
Throws to home, sure. The thing is a good arm in RF turns doubles to “oops singles”.
In general (and more important factors such as speed, range, routes, etc being equal), shouldn’t you put your best outfield arm in center, 2nd best arm in left and worst arm in right, since this is where the vast majority of throws come from? Isn’t putting your best arm in RF since that’s where the longest throws occur far less frequently kind of like saving your closer for save situations?
I’d argue that arm strength should play very little factor in deciding which outfielder plays where, so practically, I’m not sure the answer to this question matters.
But, just to play along, I don’t think its true that there are more throws coming from LF than from RF. So no, I think the idea that the better arm in RF, given two players with equal range, is correct.
Dave,
So is speed the biggest factor of what OF position should be filled by which player?
Hendu just announced that Padilla’s pitch count doesn’t matter because “those slow curveballs don’t take anything out of your arm.”
Honestly, if I was forced to work with this guy, I’d probably have thrown him out of the booth at some point this year. Literally throw him out of the booth.
So is speed the biggest factor of what OF position should be filled by which player?
Range, not speed. Coco Crisp is fast, but is not a good outfielder.
Speed is certainly part of range, but it isn’t range in and of itself.
105, Hendu finishing strong.
seriously Hnedu if that was the case Moyer could pitch 9 innings every start no matter what.
Range, ok.
So OF with best range in CF I assume. Then from there do you think it matters who plays LF/RF?
5 out 6 of Padilla’s Ks have come with two men on.
Arm strength must not matter I mean just 2004 and last year we had Randy Winn in center and he has a terrible arm.
Reasons to watch the Ms next year:
1. Hargrove
2. Hendu
3. Valle
4. Rizzs
So OF with best range in CF I assume. Then from there do you think it matters who plays LF/RF?
It depends on the configuration of your home park. I happen to think that the giant gap in left center at Safeco should have the Mariners playing their second best range guy in left, and hiding their worst defensive outfielder (Ibanez, currently) in right.
For instance, if Ibanez didn’t run like he was carrying a fleet of pianos, that ball doesn’t get to the wall.
Watching the brutal pitching of Fruto, just makes me appreciate Soriano and Lowe even more than already did…sigh
Anyone hear that Lowe is having exploratory arthroscopic surgery?
113- Man, it almost makes me appreciate Mateo.
Great. Now I have topless Hendu stuck in my brain.
Fruto sucks.
Snelling looks completely lost at the plate.
That killed the thread.
Or maybe Corco passed out.
Dave, DMZ or anyone:
what are the chances Huber makes the team next year? He has to have a leg up on Green, Fruto, O’Flaherty and probably a few others.
Joel. Sigh.
I thought the conventional wisdom was that you put the better arm in RF because that guy has to make two long throws (to home and 3rd), but there is only one long throw coming from LF (to home).
I thought the conventional wisdom was also that you had to but the strong arm in RF to try to prevent more runners from going from 1st to 3rd on singles to the outfield.
Jeezus. I leave the thread for an hour and the game goes to hell.
Curse of Corco!
Joel in..game over.
Here’s to Joel’s last appearance as a Mariner.
I’m going to start quoting post 116 whenever a meeting at work is going too long.
125:
Family reunions, church picnics, sex talk with the kids, it pretty much works across the board.
Raul is good.
Wait. Did I kill the game thread twice in one night?
I sorry
128-No, Fruto killed it.
Here’s to Joel’s last appearance as a Mariner.
Like there won’t be more garbage time this weekend…
sigh. Fruto came in, just about the same time the temperature dropped a good 10-15 degrees. Made for a swell evening at the ballpark….
OMG, Ibanez has been outstanding in left field?
well, he has been out standing in left field.
Wow, a game thread with about 3% game comments—but many remarks regarding beverage composition. . . . I’ts September under .500. Again. : (
Finally, my first post.
I just got back from the game not too long ago. I really want to believe that these guys will be good next year instead of mediocre. However, mediocre is better than bad…and so I will pay $7 for a bleacher seat.
The M’s Team Store was having a sale outisde on the concourse during the game tonight. Most of the stuff was, eh, so-so. HOWEVER, they were selling JEFF CIRILLO magnets for 10 cents apiece!
I bought two!
I gave one to my friend Matt, who appreciated it.
This was one of the better parts of the game. The other was our impressions of Hargrove strategizing…complete with crazy, mad scientist laughter. “I will put in….OSWALDO NAVARRO! It is what they’ll expect least….MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!”
And so on.
Hello everyone…
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I don’t know how good they will be overall next season, but the team is going in the right direction. There are many reasons to be optmistic despite Hargrove coming back.
Managment seems committed to a good core of young players like Lopez, Betancourt, Snelling, Felix and Lowe. Obviously a lot can happen between now and the 2007 season, but I am looking forward to a very good team next season.
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I’m hoping, hoping, hoping for a good team. I have always kinda pulled for the Mariners in the AL West, even when I was living back home in Oklahoma and watching my dad pull for the Angels.
I moved out here in ‘03, the last 90 win season. I completely fell in love with the team in ‘04 during the first 90-loss season.
I’ve actually gotten my dad to switch teams from the Angels to the M’s…this after I took him on the Safeco Tour when he was out here in March and told him about Yuni, Jose, and the potential Good Pickup of Joh.
He now proudly wears a Kenji shirt around the small town in which I grew up in Oklahoma.
I hope that the M’s are a good team next season not only for the sake of the Good M’s fans, but also for my Dad who is going to come out in June specifically so we can catch a series together.
Oh, and then there’s that being competative thing. A minor detail, really.
Feierabend’s name should be easy to spell in future threads and stop comments from being deleted unnecessarily. Because, when you break his name down, any baseball fan should be able to remember it:
Fei-ERA-bend. “Fei’s ERA is around the bend!”
And there you have it. (It’s kind of like how I visualize Joel Pineiro on the mound as a big pine tree ptching so I can remember his name, which, thankfully, I will no longer have to do!)