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	<title>Comments on: New CBA rules</title>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151945</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To correct my error:  the reduction in the sizes of the &lt;i&gt;Type A and Type B&lt;/i&gt; free-agent groups isn&#039;t taking effect this offseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To correct my error:  the reduction in the sizes of the <i>Type A and Type B</i> free-agent groups isn&#8217;t taking effect this offseason.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151944</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #29:  half true.  The elimination of Type C free agents and the change in compensation for Type B free agents are effective as of now. The reduction in the sizes of these two groups, however, isn&#039;t taking effect this offseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #29:  half true.  The elimination of Type C free agents and the change in compensation for Type B free agents are effective as of now. The reduction in the sizes of these two groups, however, isn&#8217;t taking effect this offseason.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151903</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The only argument I’m putting forward is that quite a few mediocre players have been rewarded with contracts disporportionate to their skills/stats simply based on their “Post-Season Heroics” ™. It always seems to happen. It’s a phenomenon similar to the big contract rewarded to the player who puts up huge numbers in his walk year that are not reflective of his past history.&lt;/em&gt;

You&#039;d have a hard time finding a player as poor as Suppan who got anything close to a contract this big under these circumstances.  

Jarrod Washburn, a year ago, was a clearly superior pitcher to Suppan; left-handed, better ratios, pitching in the American League, and coming off a season where he ranked 5th in the league in ERA.  He got 4/37.5 and the M&#039;s got laughed at. 

Teams aren&#039;t good at evaluting pitchers corrrectly, but they&#039;re also not that bad.  They&#039;re not going to see Suppan as a $40 million pitcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The only argument I’m putting forward is that quite a few mediocre players have been rewarded with contracts disporportionate to their skills/stats simply based on their “Post-Season Heroics” ™. It always seems to happen. It’s a phenomenon similar to the big contract rewarded to the player who puts up huge numbers in his walk year that are not reflective of his past history.</em></p>
<p>You&#8217;d have a hard time finding a player as poor as Suppan who got anything close to a contract this big under these circumstances.  </p>
<p>Jarrod Washburn, a year ago, was a clearly superior pitcher to Suppan; left-handed, better ratios, pitching in the American League, and coming off a season where he ranked 5th in the league in ERA.  He got 4/37.5 and the M&#8217;s got laughed at. </p>
<p>Teams aren&#8217;t good at evaluting pitchers corrrectly, but they&#8217;re also not that bad.  They&#8217;re not going to see Suppan as a $40 million pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151871</link>
		<dc:creator>Emerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dash -

Funny that reminds me of Carlos Beltran... His postseason &quot;heroics&quot; (besides going 0-3 in game 7) with the Astros (2004) probably netted him a few extra million, while he goes on to the Mets and strikes out looking with the bases loaded in game 7 of the NLCS.

True we know Beltran is no scrub, but it just points out the fact how much media can hype up a player, and how that benefits the player in contract season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dash -</p>
<p>Funny that reminds me of Carlos Beltran&#8230; His postseason &#8220;heroics&#8221; (besides going 0-3 in game 7) with the Astros (2004) probably netted him a few extra million, while he goes on to the Mets and strikes out looking with the bases loaded in game 7 of the NLCS.</p>
<p>True we know Beltran is no scrub, but it just points out the fact how much media can hype up a player, and how that benefits the player in contract season.</p>
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		<title>By: Emerald</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151870</link>
		<dc:creator>Emerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it, let&#039;s give Pineiro 4/38, i mean, why the hell not? We gave one to Washburn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it, let&#8217;s give Pineiro 4/38, i mean, why the hell not? We gave one to Washburn!</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151869</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you&#039;ll get no argument from me that he&#039;s not worth it.  

The only argument I&#039;m putting forward is that quite a few mediocre players have been rewarded with contracts disporportionate to their skills/stats simply based on their &quot;Post-Season Heroics&quot; (TM).  It always seems to happen.  It&#039;s a phenomenon similar to the big contract rewarded to the player who puts up huge numbers in his walk year that are not reflective of his past history.  

Someone will look at a player&#039;s recent performance and decide it&#039;s a better indicator of their future performance than all of their past history.  Take Gil-ga-Meche for example.  When he was on his hot streak, how many people were ready to annoint him the ace of the staff.  That&#039;s the argument I&#039;m putting forward.

Should these things happen?  No.  Do they happen?  Yes.  Unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you&#8217;ll get no argument from me that he&#8217;s not worth it.  </p>
<p>The only argument I&#8217;m putting forward is that quite a few mediocre players have been rewarded with contracts disporportionate to their skills/stats simply based on their &#8220;Post-Season Heroics&#8221; (TM).  It always seems to happen.  It&#8217;s a phenomenon similar to the big contract rewarded to the player who puts up huge numbers in his walk year that are not reflective of his past history.  </p>
<p>Someone will look at a player&#8217;s recent performance and decide it&#8217;s a better indicator of their future performance than all of their past history.  Take Gil-ga-Meche for example.  When he was on his hot streak, how many people were ready to annoint him the ace of the staff.  That&#8217;s the argument I&#8217;m putting forward.</p>
<p>Should these things happen?  No.  Do they happen?  Yes.  Unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s go with the old comparison:

Player A: 3.2 BB/G, 4.8 K/G, 0.98 HR/G, 4.86 xFIP
Player B: 3.3 BB/G, 4.5 K/G, 1.18 HR/G, 4.92 xFIP

One of those is Jeff Suppan.  The other one is Joel Pineiro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s go with the old comparison:</p>
<p>Player A: 3.2 BB/G, 4.8 K/G, 0.98 HR/G, 4.86 xFIP<br />
Player B: 3.3 BB/G, 4.5 K/G, 1.18 HR/G, 4.92 xFIP</p>
<p>One of those is Jeff Suppan.  The other one is Joel Pineiro.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151867</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30, #35:

Dave may not be extending himself as far as he&#039;s letting us think. Jason probably works really well with horsemeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30, #35:</p>
<p>Dave may not be extending himself as far as he&#8217;s letting us think. Jason probably works really well with horsemeat.</p>
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		<title>By: waldo rojas</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151866</link>
		<dc:creator>waldo rojas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35 - Be careful what you wish for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35 &#8211; Be careful what you wish for.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/10/24/new-cba-rules/comment-page-1/#comment-151865</link>
		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a part of me that&#039;s secretly rooting for Suppan to get 4/40.  He&#039;s not worth it, but I have a feeling if he puts in another good showing in the post season that someone will give it too him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a part of me that&#8217;s secretly rooting for Suppan to get 4/40.  He&#8217;s not worth it, but I have a feeling if he puts in another good showing in the post season that someone will give it too him.</p>
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