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	<title>Comments on: Free agent review: Gil Meche</title>
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		<title>By: Panev</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/11/free-agent-review-gil-meche/comment-page-1/#comment-153341</link>
		<dc:creator>Panev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is a #5 guy in NY for the Yankees.  See if Guidry can make him his project.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is a #5 guy in NY for the Yankees.  See if Guidry can make him his project.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hargrove's Cameltoe</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/11/free-agent-review-gil-meche/comment-page-1/#comment-153031</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hargrove's Cameltoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we call up the O&#039;s?  Convince the GM that Mazzone can make gold out of Pineiro and Meche?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we call up the O&#8217;s?  Convince the GM that Mazzone can make gold out of Pineiro and Meche?</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/11/free-agent-review-gil-meche/comment-page-1/#comment-153011</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;St. Louis under the LaRussa/Duncan regime seems to have a rep of “fixing” pitchers.Chris Carpenter, Woody Williams, Jeff Suppan.&lt;/i&gt;

Looking at their periphs, Carpenter&#039;s walk rate certainly decreased markedly, Williams had a lower HR rate in St. Louis, and Suppan looks basically like the same pitcher he was from &#039;01 to &#039;03.  So I&#039;ll give them Carpenter, and maybe-sorta Williams, but not really Suppan.

That said, the one thing that good pitching coaches seem to be able to do is take journeyman/retread types and get them to cut back on walks.  Carpenter is an extreme case, but he cut his walks basically in half under Duncan.  If someone gets Meche to cut his walks in half, and maintain his other periphs, you&#039;re looking at maybe a 6.5 K/G, 2.0 BB/G, 1.2 HR/G pitcher.  That&#039;d be something like a 4.20ish FIP pitcher.  &lt;i&gt;IF&lt;/i&gt; you can &quot;fix&quot; him.

Like EC, I&#039;m not convinced this can happen to Meche (he probably drops his K rate and increases his HR rate if he drops his BB rate), but I guess that&#039;s what I see as his upside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>St. Louis under the LaRussa/Duncan regime seems to have a rep of “fixing” pitchers.Chris Carpenter, Woody Williams, Jeff Suppan.</i></p>
<p>Looking at their periphs, Carpenter&#8217;s walk rate certainly decreased markedly, Williams had a lower HR rate in St. Louis, and Suppan looks basically like the same pitcher he was from &#8216;01 to &#8216;03.  So I&#8217;ll give them Carpenter, and maybe-sorta Williams, but not really Suppan.</p>
<p>That said, the one thing that good pitching coaches seem to be able to do is take journeyman/retread types and get them to cut back on walks.  Carpenter is an extreme case, but he cut his walks basically in half under Duncan.  If someone gets Meche to cut his walks in half, and maintain his other periphs, you&#8217;re looking at maybe a 6.5 K/G, 2.0 BB/G, 1.2 HR/G pitcher.  That&#8217;d be something like a 4.20ish FIP pitcher.  <i>IF</i> you can &#8220;fix&#8221; him.</p>
<p>Like EC, I&#8217;m not convinced this can happen to Meche (he probably drops his K rate and increases his HR rate if he drops his BB rate), but I guess that&#8217;s what I see as his upside.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Basically if I remember, the *studs* worst games basically correlated to games where they lacked control and the turds (Milton/Franklin etc) had their ten worst games correlate with a distinct ability to throw strikes.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;...his stuff is so mediocre and so hittable that if he&#039;s grooving strikes to everyone, he&#039;s in huge trouble.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Basically if I remember, the *studs* worst games basically correlated to games where they lacked control and the turds (Milton/Franklin etc) had their ten worst games correlate with a distinct ability to throw strikes.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;his stuff is so mediocre and so hittable that if he&#8217;s grooving strikes to everyone, he&#8217;s in huge trouble.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24,27-- &quot;The No. 1 free agent in Keith Law&#039;s book is off the market. Aramis Ramirez agreed to a five-year deal to stay with the Cubs, who also kept Kerry Wood with a one-year deal.&quot; 

I see what you mean, now -- Aram was the top free agent?! were there any other gems I missed due to refusing to become an insider?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24,27&#8211; &#8220;The No. 1 free agent in Keith Law&#8217;s book is off the market. Aramis Ramirez agreed to a five-year deal to stay with the Cubs, who also kept Kerry Wood with a one-year deal.&#8221; </p>
<p>I see what you mean, now &#8212; Aram was the top free agent?! were there any other gems I missed due to refusing to become an insider?</p>
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		<title>By: Sports on a Schtick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sports on a Schtick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you fix something that&#039;s not broken?

(Wait for it...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you fix something that&#8217;s not broken?</p>
<p>(Wait for it&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet Meche would kick ass in Japan....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet Meche would kick ass in Japan&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Carruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so is aramis &lt;a href=&quot;http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6163558&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so is aramis <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6163558" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Clapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Clapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edmonds is &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/2010AP_BBN_Cardinals_Edmonds.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;off the table&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edmonds is <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/2010AP_BBN_Cardinals_Edmonds.html" rel="nofollow">off the table</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Choska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Choska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like Keith Law is reflecting the conventional wisdom that the Ms coaching staff can&#039;t coach. Seems like the Ms haven&#039;t been able to coach since Edgar played his last game. 

I believe the Rangers should strongly consider Gil Meche. He is from Louisiana, so he kind of a local boy, and I highly believe that his performances will be remarkable and noteworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Keith Law is reflecting the conventional wisdom that the Ms coaching staff can&#8217;t coach. Seems like the Ms haven&#8217;t been able to coach since Edgar played his last game. </p>
<p>I believe the Rangers should strongly consider Gil Meche. He is from Louisiana, so he kind of a local boy, and I highly believe that his performances will be remarkable and noteworthy.</p>
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