Comments on: Today’s graph is attendance and win percentage http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:22:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Grizz http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154234 Grizz Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:17:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154234 18: Not really. Attendance trails team performance by one year. The difference in attendance between 2002 and 2003 was primarily due to the ticket sales for games in the early months of the season. Coming off the 2001 playoffs, advance ticket sales were strong in 2002, and there were only a handful of games in 2002 in which the team drew fewer than 35,000 – even in April and May. In 2003, coming off a season in which the team was essentially out of contention by September 1, ticket sales for the early season games lagged significantly -- games under 30,000 were common. The M's missed the playoffs those years because their players were not as good (in terms of both talent and performance) as their rivals, not because they were "boring" or "predictable." I would agree, however, that bad players who consistently make outs are "boring" and "predictable." 18: Not really. Attendance trails team performance by one year. The difference in attendance between 2002 and 2003 was primarily due to the ticket sales for games in the early months of the season. Coming off the 2001 playoffs, advance ticket sales were strong in 2002, and there were only a handful of games in 2002 in which the team drew fewer than 35,000 – even in April and May. In 2003, coming off a season in which the team was essentially out of contention by September 1, ticket sales for the early season games lagged significantly — games under 30,000 were common.

The M’s missed the playoffs those years because their players were not as good (in terms of both talent and performance) as their rivals, not because they were “boring” or “predictable.”

I would agree, however, that bad players who consistently make outs are “boring” and “predictable.”

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154203 DMZ Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:18:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154203 The problem with win pct vs payroll is that the cost of players keeps going up. Payroll rank, which was yesterday, shows you relatively how the team's doing among its peers. The problem with win pct vs payroll is that the cost of players keeps going up. Payroll rank, which was yesterday, shows you relatively how the team’s doing among its peers.

]]> By: Russ http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154195 Russ Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:45:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154195 <b>While I’m sure they want to reverse this trend, I doubt they are in desperation mode from a bottom line standpoint.</b><b> Perhaps not desparate from a cash flow point of view however, trends like that can cause cut-backs in painful areas and people can lose their job over. Couple this with a management team that has yet to figure out to put a winning team on the field in a city absolutely loaded with summer entertainment and I think it's easy to be worried if your on the mnariner staff.</b> While I’m sure they want to reverse this trend, I doubt they are in desperation mode from a bottom line standpoint.

Perhaps not desparate from a cash flow point of view however, trends like that can cause cut-backs in painful areas and people can lose their job over. Couple this with a management team that has yet to figure out to put a winning team on the field in a city absolutely loaded with summer entertainment and I think it’s easy to be worried if your on the mnariner staff.

]]> By: Gomez http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154187 Gomez Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:32:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154187 16. Grizz, think: could the former have been a big factor in the latter? Predictability helps your enemies. 16. Grizz, think: could the former have been a big factor in the latter? Predictability helps your enemies.

]]> By: Evan http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154178 Evan Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:06:50 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154178 <i>I’m always amazed how much cheaper the beer is (and concessions in general) at *any* other ballpark.</i> But it's not as good. I went to three games in Toronto this season and the beer selection was appalling. Nothing but Labatt Blue and Bud. I did get a tasty Reuben sandwich, though. I’m always amazed how much cheaper the beer is (and concessions in general) at *any* other ballpark.
But it’s not as good. I went to three games in Toronto this season and the beer selection was appalling. Nothing but Labatt Blue and Bud. I did get a tasty Reuben sandwich, though.

]]> By: Grizz http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154170 Grizz Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:55:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154170 Yeah, it was the boring roster, not the whole falling out of contention and missing the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 despite a winning record thing, that kept people away. Yeah, it was the boring roster, not the whole falling out of contention and missing the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 despite a winning record thing, that kept people away.

]]> By: Gomez http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154158 Gomez Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:28:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154158 Though the decline began back in 2003 when the team was still winning, the composition of the team had already began to grow predictably stale. That predictablility in roster construction likely led to the boring, predictable product on the field, even in winning, and help to begin the attendance slide. This team not only needs to win again, but needs to find a way to truly energize and excite the fanbase. Though the decline began back in 2003 when the team was still winning, the composition of the team had already began to grow predictably stale. That predictablility in roster construction likely led to the boring, predictable product on the field, even in winning, and help to begin the attendance slide.

This team not only needs to win again, but needs to find a way to truly energize and excite the fanbase.

]]> By: Sports on a Schtick http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154143 Sports on a Schtick Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:01:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154143 It's like an unfun roller coaster. It’s like an unfun roller coaster.

]]> By: ChrisK http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154119 ChrisK Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:25:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154119 #10 - The Mariners are in the midst of a 10-year, $288 million cable deal with Fox Sports Net, regardless of their win-loss record during those 10 years. I'm not sure of their radio deal but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a multi-year deal as well. So those are guaranteed revenue streams (and huge ones at that) regardless of their record for the foreseeable future. #10 – The Mariners are in the midst of a 10-year, $288 million cable deal with Fox Sports Net, regardless of their win-loss record during those 10 years. I’m not sure of their radio deal but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a multi-year deal as well. So those are guaranteed revenue streams (and huge ones at that) regardless of their record for the foreseeable future.

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-154118 DMZ Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:24:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/graph-of-the-day-for-tuesday/#comment-154118 Bad hijacker! Bad! Bad hijacker! Bad!

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