Comments on: News of Tuesday, November 21st http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: tyruschen http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154315 tyruschen Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:28:02 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154315 A little question: When did the writers receive their votes and when did they send it (deadline)? A little question:

When did the writers receive their votes and when did they send it (deadline)?

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154287 Jeff Nye Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:08:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154287 Derek "Just Past A Diving" Jeter. Not that he's not a great OFFENSIVE player, but I have never seen anyone's else's defense so consistently overrated. He's a middling defender at best, just from watching him. Just because a player dives for balls and gets his uniform dirty does not make him a good defender. Have we learned nothing from Princess Willie? Derek “Just Past A Diving” Jeter.

Not that he’s not a great OFFENSIVE player, but I have never seen anyone’s else’s defense so consistently overrated.

He’s a middling defender at best, just from watching him. Just because a player dives for balls and gets his uniform dirty does not make him a good defender. Have we learned nothing from Princess Willie?

]]> By: tyruschen http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154266 tyruschen Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:51:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154266 Another news: OF T.J. Bohn was claimed off waivers by the Atlanta Braves. Anyone miss him? Another news:

OF T.J. Bohn was claimed off waivers by the Atlanta Braves.

Anyone miss him?

]]> By: Wishhiker http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154236 Wishhiker Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:25:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154236 Nah...I wouldn't have argued against Boone deserving it in 2001 had he won. Boone's year was superior in almost every way to Morneau's. I'm glad Ichiro won instead though. Too bad Twins fans can't be glad years down the road when Morneau's long gone and Mauers still plugging away behind the plate that Mauer won it...If a hitter was going to get it it probably should have been Jeter though. I went in search of the most Ungodly stats for 2006 awhile back and figured OPS. was one of the best ways to find this. Morneau was 9th in the AL behind Mauer (7th) and Jeter was 15th. The top 5: Hafner Ramirez Ortiz Thome Dye Another thing I like to look at is TB + BB Morneau's 11th but Jeter and Mauer aren't above him. With Mauer being a catcher it only makes sense he's not going to place high on this, but his 343 in 521 AB was surpassed in less AB by Thome, Hafner and Ramirez. Ortiz 474 Sizemore 427 Texiera 412 Thome 400 Hafner 399 Dye 394 A-Rod 389 Ibanez 388 Guerrero 385 Wells 385 Morneau 384 Ramirez 378 When I started looking at all this I expected it to make the idea clearer to me on who should be MVP, but there is no clear choice among AL hitters. However nothing I've looked at puts Morneau in even the top 5 aside from RBI...Clearly had Hafner put up the numbers he did over another 50-120 ABs he'd be easier to choose. In the NL all the things I looked at showed Pujols right in front of Howard, so the voting seems a bit retarded to me on that as well. Nah…I wouldn’t have argued against Boone deserving it in 2001 had he won. Boone’s year was superior in almost every way to Morneau’s. I’m glad Ichiro won instead though. Too bad Twins fans can’t be glad years down the road when Morneau’s long gone and Mauers still plugging away behind the plate that Mauer won it…If a hitter was going to get it it probably should have been Jeter though.

I went in search of the most Ungodly stats for 2006 awhile back and figured OPS. was one of the best ways to find this. Morneau was 9th in the AL behind Mauer (7th) and Jeter was 15th. The top 5:

Hafner
Ramirez
Ortiz
Thome
Dye

Another thing I like to look at is TB + BB Morneau’s 11th but Jeter and Mauer aren’t above him. With Mauer being a catcher it only makes sense he’s not going to place high on this, but his 343 in 521 AB was surpassed in less AB by Thome, Hafner and Ramirez.

Ortiz 474
Sizemore 427
Texiera 412
Thome 400
Hafner 399
Dye 394
A-Rod 389
Ibanez 388
Guerrero 385
Wells 385
Morneau 384
Ramirez 378

When I started looking at all this I expected it to make the idea clearer to me on who should be MVP, but there is no clear choice among AL hitters. However nothing I’ve looked at puts Morneau in even the top 5 aside from RBI…Clearly had Hafner put up the numbers he did over another 50-120 ABs he’d be easier to choose.

In the NL all the things I looked at showed Pujols right in front of Howard, so the voting seems a bit retarded to me on that as well.

]]> By: seattlesundevil http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154235 seattlesundevil Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:19:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154235 It is being said over at LoL that Jason Chuchill is saying either Henry Owens or Matt Lindstrom, who were just traded to the marlins from the mets, will be the Reed return... Just adding fuel to the rumor fire! It is being said over at LoL that Jason Chuchill is saying either Henry Owens or Matt Lindstrom, who were just traded to the marlins from the mets, will be the Reed return… Just adding fuel to the rumor fire!

]]> By: Jack Howland http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154229 Jack Howland Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:05:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154229 21 of 28 voters had Johan on their ballot. It's hard for me to believe that 25% of the voters did not even think Johan was one of the 10 most valuable players. 21 of 28 voters had Johan on their ballot. It’s hard for me to believe that 25% of the voters did not even think Johan was one of the 10 most valuable players.

]]> By: EnglishMariner http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154220 EnglishMariner Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:45:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154220 Ichiro finished 3rd in the AL West MVP race then. Ichiro finished 3rd in the AL West MVP race then.

]]> By: Wishhiker http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154216 Wishhiker Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:43:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154216 I think Santanas season was unparalelled even by a hitter. It's somewhat difficult to compare hitter vs. pitcher but no one deserved the award more than Johan IMO. Had I had a vote: Santana Jeter Mauer Ortiz Or is it Ortiz then Mauer...Close for me. Either way this is somewhat like if Edgar had won it in 2001, except that Edgar came close to deserving it other years that he played. 2001 is an interesting parallel if you compare Ichiro to Mauer and Boone to Morneau in respect to Mauer being onbase for Morneau to drive him in and the .350 BA...They are not alike in that Mauer and Morneau both didn't have 200 hits where Ichiro and Boone both did. Obviously I expect it to be very difficult for a C to ever achieve 200 hits, but really 181 is just as solid as 200+ when you consider Mauer's defensive position. The M's didn't have a Santana in 2001 and there the parallel ends. I think Santanas season was unparalelled even by a hitter. It’s somewhat difficult to compare hitter vs. pitcher but no one deserved the award more than Johan IMO. Had I had a vote:

Santana
Jeter
Mauer
Ortiz

Or is it Ortiz then Mauer…Close for me.

Either way this is somewhat like if Edgar had won it in 2001, except that Edgar came close to deserving it other years that he played. 2001 is an interesting parallel if you compare Ichiro to Mauer and Boone to Morneau in respect to Mauer being onbase for Morneau to drive him in and the .350 BA…They are not alike in that Mauer and Morneau both didn’t have 200 hits where Ichiro and Boone both did. Obviously I expect it to be very difficult for a C to ever achieve 200 hits, but really 181 is just as solid as 200+ when you consider Mauer’s defensive position. The M’s didn’t have a Santana in 2001 and there the parallel ends.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154214 msb Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:40:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154214 the complete vote totals are <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061121&content_id=1744779&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb" rel="nofollow">up</a> the complete vote totals are up

]]> By: Adam S http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/comment-page-2/#comment-154198 Adam S Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:58:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/11/21/news-of-tuesday-november-21st/#comment-154198 While I laugh at the selection of Morneau, who wasn't even the MVP of his own team, I'd thrilled to see Jeter NOT win. I don't like the Yankees, I don't like Jeter and in some way this is cosmic karma for the gold gloves he won while being a below average SS. That said, I think Jeter and Santana were the only really good choices for MVP this year. While I laugh at the selection of Morneau, who wasn’t even the MVP of his own team, I’d thrilled to see Jeter NOT win. I don’t like the Yankees, I don’t like Jeter and in some way this is cosmic karma for the gold gloves he won while being a below average SS.

That said, I think Jeter and Santana were the only really good choices for MVP this year.

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