Comments on: The Mariners at the 2007 winter meetings http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chiro1623 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156493 Chiro1623 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:34:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156493 Speaking of Morse. He has an overall 296 Major league average. He plays most positions in high fashion. He needs to be traded to a team that he can have the opportunity to play on a regular basis. Speaking of Morse. He has an overall 296 Major league average. He plays most positions in high fashion. He needs to be traded to a team that he can have the opportunity to play on a regular basis.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156356 terry Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:59:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156356 I'm advocating having a DH that doesnt have to platoon.... I'm saying Guillen in reality should be insurance for Snelling because well, he's kinda...ewwwwwwwww otherwise There isn't really a free agent left in the market that could reasonably do what a healthy Ensberg could do-especially at Ensberg's salary. I’m advocating having a DH that doesnt have to platoon….

I’m saying Guillen in reality should be insurance for Snelling because well, he’s kinda…ewwwwwwwww otherwise

There isn’t really a free agent left in the market that could reasonably do what a healthy Ensberg could do-especially at Ensberg’s salary.

]]> By: Trent http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156348 Trent Mon, 04 Dec 2006 01:16:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156348 #65 - So you're advocating trading Soriano for a platoon player to hit lefties in the DH role? Guillen is not being brought in as insurance or as a DH. He's the M's new everyday RF. This could mean that Snelling and Ibanez will battle it out for the LF role and the loser of that battle will likely move to the DH spot. More than likely, the M's OF will look like Ibanez, Ichiro and Guillen with Broussard or Snelling getting AB's vs RH in the DH role and someone else being brought in to hit lefties. I'm a huge fan of Snelling, but, I also understand that guaranteeing him 500 AB's with his injury history isn't necessarily a terrific idea. It looks like his new role with the club will be as the 4th OF/DH role and he will be useful there and will hopefully be able to stay healthy and prove that he deserves to be an everyday player in 2008. This means that trading Soriano for a platoon player isn't smart. There are FA that could be brought in to do the same thing without losing a player like Soriano. #65 – So you’re advocating trading Soriano for a platoon player to hit lefties in the DH role?

Guillen is not being brought in as insurance or as a DH. He’s the M’s new everyday RF. This could mean that Snelling and Ibanez will battle it out for the LF role and the loser of that battle will likely move to the DH spot. More than likely, the M’s OF will look like Ibanez, Ichiro and Guillen with Broussard or Snelling getting AB’s vs RH in the DH role and someone else being brought in to hit lefties.

I’m a huge fan of Snelling, but, I also understand that guaranteeing him 500 AB’s with his injury history isn’t necessarily a terrific idea. It looks like his new role with the club will be as the 4th OF/DH role and he will be useful there and will hopefully be able to stay healthy and prove that he deserves to be an everyday player in 2008.

This means that trading Soriano for a platoon player isn’t smart. There are FA that could be brought in to do the same thing without losing a player like Soriano.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156342 terry Mon, 04 Dec 2006 00:50:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156342 <blockquote>Why would you deal Soriano for Ensberg when you already have Guillen locked into RF and Ibanez and Snelling competing for LF and the other one competing for time with Broussard at DH?. Soriano should be used to help land a monsterous bat or a good SP. We don’t need to further pollute the DH spot with guys similar, at best, to what we already have.</blockquote> Just to play protagonist for Ensberg.... Here are some career splits: Broussard: Lefties: .226/.286/.407 Righties: .275/.337/.478 Ibanez: Lefties: .267/.317/.402 Righties:.291/.353/.493 Ensberg: Lefties: .290/.419/.541 Righties:.263/.356/.469 I just don't find the notion of Ibanez being a platoon partner with Broussard at DH that compelling. Truthfully, Broussard needs to find sunnier pastures IMHO. Guillen basically is insurance for Snelling and in reality really expensive platoon glue. Guillen's had three decent years with his bat in his career and I'm not sold he's going to come off of an injury and have a resurgence in Safeco of all places. At best you're hoping he's a two win player. I'm not sold that aside form a cannon, Guillen's defense isn't <em>all</em> that great. Its an upgrade over Ibanez in left for sure but Guillen's PRM to runs for his last two full seasons have rated him at or below average (last year was much better but I don't know if I cant trust it due to sample size). Dewan's fielding Bible is more optimistic. However, from what I can find sprinkled about the net, UZR hated Guillen in left in '04. Truthfully, I could see a healthy Snelling winning right field coming out of spring training. If Snelling can't win that job, well, I just don't like the notion of him platooning with Broussard. Ensberg if healthy could easily be anywhere from a 3-5 win player with his bat. Roster wise, perhaps he's not a great fit because it means Ibanez in left and marginalizing their *big* recent signing (Guillen). But I like the idea of Snelling starting, Ensberg DHing/spelling Beltre when he hurts his hammy, Broussard making hay in another team's pasture, Guillen being a 4th outfielder/occasional DHer (and all around antagonist to PT for WFB) and living with Ibanez in left.

Why would you deal Soriano for Ensberg when you already have Guillen locked into RF and Ibanez and Snelling competing for LF and the other one competing for time with Broussard at DH?. Soriano should be used to help land a monsterous bat or a good SP. We don’t need to further pollute the DH spot with guys similar, at best, to what we already have.

Just to play protagonist for Ensberg….

Here are some career splits:

Broussard:
Lefties: .226/.286/.407
Righties: .275/.337/.478

Ibanez:
Lefties: .267/.317/.402
Righties:.291/.353/.493

Ensberg:
Lefties: .290/.419/.541
Righties:.263/.356/.469

I just don’t find the notion of Ibanez being a platoon partner with Broussard at DH that compelling. Truthfully, Broussard needs to find sunnier pastures IMHO. Guillen basically is insurance for Snelling and in reality really expensive platoon glue. Guillen’s had three decent years with his bat in his career and I’m not sold he’s going to come off of an injury and have a resurgence in Safeco of all places. At best you’re hoping he’s a two win player. I’m not sold that aside form a cannon, Guillen’s defense isn’t all that great. Its an upgrade over Ibanez in left for sure but Guillen’s PRM to runs for his last two full seasons have rated him at or below average (last year was much better but I don’t know if I cant trust it due to sample size). Dewan’s fielding Bible is more optimistic. However, from what I can find sprinkled about the net, UZR hated Guillen in left in ‘04. Truthfully, I could see a healthy Snelling winning right field coming out of spring training. If Snelling can’t win that job, well, I just don’t like the notion of him platooning with Broussard.

Ensberg if healthy could easily be anywhere from a 3-5 win player with his bat. Roster wise, perhaps he’s not a great fit because it means Ibanez in left and marginalizing their *big* recent signing (Guillen). But I like the idea of Snelling starting, Ensberg DHing/spelling Beltre when he hurts his hammy, Broussard making hay in another team’s pasture, Guillen being a 4th outfielder/occasional DHer (and all around antagonist to PT for WFB) and living with Ibanez in left.

]]> By: eponymous coward http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156331 eponymous coward Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:47:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156331 Stone? You mean Steve Kelley, right? Well, whatever. He's under the impression that if Bill Stoneman and Ted Hendry jump off a bridge, we're at a competitive disadvantage if we don't. Stone? You mean Steve Kelley, right? Well, whatever. He’s under the impression that if Bill Stoneman and Ted Hendry jump off a bridge, we’re at a competitive disadvantage if we don’t.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156330 terry Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:31:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156330 #59: i'd enjoy your argument.... #59: i’d enjoy your argument….

]]> By: atait http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156329 atait Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:30:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156329 Never mind. It has been mentioned. Never mind. It has been mentioned.

]]> By: Trent http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156328 Trent Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:29:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156328 Why would you deal Soriano for Ensberg when you already have Guillen locked into RF and Ibanez and Snelling competing for LF and the other one competing for time with Broussard at DH?. Soriano should be used to help land a monsterous bat or a good SP. We don't need to further pollute the DH spot with guys similar, at best, to what we already have. Why would you deal Soriano for Ensberg when you already have Guillen locked into RF and Ibanez and Snelling competing for LF and the other one competing for time with Broussard at DH?. Soriano should be used to help land a monsterous bat or a good SP. We don’t need to further pollute the DH spot with guys similar, at best, to what we already have.

]]> By: atait http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156327 atait Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:28:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156327 Gammons mentioned Putz as trade bait for Manny. No thanks. Gammons mentioned Putz as trade bait for Manny. No thanks.

]]> By: atait http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/comment-page-2/#comment-156326 atait Sun, 03 Dec 2006 23:27:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/02/the-mariners-at-the-2007-winter-meetings/#comment-156326 Not to change the subject too much, but did anyone read Stone's article today? Maybe his worst ever. And Soriano for Ensberg?? LOL. That's rich... Not to change the subject too much, but did anyone read Stone’s article today? Maybe his worst ever.

And Soriano for Ensberg?? LOL. That’s rich…

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