Ugh
Dave · December 6, 2006 at 2:21 pm · Filed Under Mariners
There are conflicting reports surrounding a potential trade of Rafael Soriano to the Braves for Horacio Ramirez. Several sources close to the Braves claim its done – one source with the M’s claims its not.
We should know in a few hours.
Freddy Garcia is a Phillie, according to FoxSports… Another option off the table.
This offseason has been a horror of hopes raised and dashed.
Somehow this needs to be a Manny Ramirez comes to Seattle story.
ESPN is reporting the reports now
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This is pretty sad. I especially like that fact that Horacio ALSO got hit by a linedrive in the head.
Thanks Bill.
147. I think the extra cash was a reference to the difference between Ramirez and another free agent starter, not Ramirez and Soriano.
This trade sucks. They should have tried Soriano in the rotation before trading for someone even more injury prone that Soriano. Bavasi effectively gave away Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and Randy Wynn, getting nothing of value in return–add Soriano to the list.
#147
Can you recall any “freeagent signing of stating pitchers? And what you said is the point I was making, shesh???
I was being ironical you idiots, and if you really think I like Jeff Manto you need professional help…that is all
I think this was rumor put out there by a Braves fan to counter the rumor that Bavasi was fleecing the Braves by trading for Hudson and LaRoche in a 3-way. Anything else than this explaination just doesn’t add up. Look at what Chicago is getting for Freddy! Soriano is much better than Gavin Floyd and I would take Freddy over Ramirez in a heartbeat!
Well, hopefully Bavasi has come to his senses sooner than later, and this is all rumor mongering, but…
I can envision how this went now.
Schuerholz: Hey Bill, we hear you’re looking for SP, we are looking for an elite Setup man. Wanna talk.
Bavasi: Sure, we’ve had our eyes on Tim Hudson. Maybe, oh, Soriano for Hudson.
Schuerholz: Hmmmmm, well, Tim did have a down year, and Raffy looks like what we want, but I’m not sure I can do that trade as is.
Sabean: Can I interupt. We can give you Benitez as well, if we get a good firstbaseman, like, oh, Richie Sexson.
Bavasi: Oh, that sounds good to me.
Schuerholz: OK, hold on while I dont drag my feet until Jason Schmidt is signed.
Bavasi, Sabean: What?!
Schuerholz: Never mind, just thinking aloud.
Bavasi: So it’s a deal
Schuerholz: Ssssuuuurrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee……………………….
Bavasi: What’s wrong?
Schuerholz: Oh, nothing, hey did you hear Jason Schmidt just agreed w/ the Dodgers?
Bavasi: What?!
Schuerholz: Nothing, well, this deal doesn’t quite suite our needs, but maybe we can work something out.
Sabean: Hey, well, let me know, Richie sounds like a good fit. Talk to you two later.
Schuerholz: OK, Bill, well, I know you need starting pitching, and youy’re in a win or else season, and we want Raffy, so do I ever got a deal for you.
Bavasi: OK, so what is it
Schuerholz: Soriano for Horacio Ramirez, straight up.
Bavasi: How, why, no, I need a starter bad, or it’s my job, you knew it the whole ti….
Schuerholz:
Billy Beane (appears out of nowhere): Hey Bill, I know we’re division rivals and , but I was curious if we could work out a ….
I think I will stop watching baseball, move to German and start watching soccer if this is real.
We have conflicting reports, Mariner fans.
Apparently the JSA does not call for spewing the same poison.
This could still go through as-is, and if it does, I will be angrier than I am now, and I’m pretty angry that the Mariners would even let it be known that Horacio Ramirez for Rafael Soriano is a deal worth considering. But hold on…it’s not done just yet.
#147
Can you recall any “freeagent signing of stating pitchers? And what you said is the point I was making, shesh???
You didn’t say anything about free agent starting pitchers. I quoted your entire post. Go back and take a look.
If you mean that the M’s have, they picked up Justin Lehr. Other than that, I’m not sure what you might mean about free agent signing of starting pitchers, since that wasn’t even in your post.
Aside from that, no reason to get upset just because I made a point.
Correction: Germany. 🙂
From livid curtain’s hue, a tangram emerges: a country.
It also seems that all of the major news outlets are starting to quote everyone else to confirm their story. Things like “Multiple news outlets are reporting…” and “People are saying that a deal is in place…” None of it seems credible to me at this point.
Reminds me a lot of when Seattle had Randy Johnson on the table. Leaks got out about a deal with the Dodgers being done. Turns out, it was fueled by the internet. Not wanting to be out-scooped, major agencies started reporting rumor as fact.
We all know how that turned out.
I don’t get worked up until I see something official from the M’s. Deals are often not what they are made out to be on the internet.
If nothing else, it’s certainly been a day of non-quotes and comments.
Holy Smokes…check out the anagram I came up for Bill Bavasi:
Is a b-ball idiot!!!
I’ve never noticed that before!!!
Churchill is saying there is a prospect involved, although he did not say which side that prospect would be coming from… Any word from YOUR sources Dave?
This trade sucks. They should have tried Soriano in the rotation before trading for someone even more injury prone that Soriano. Bavasi effectively gave away Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and Randy Wynn, getting nothing of value in return–add Soriano to the list.
As stated in the next thread about the Soriano trade, you don’t evaluate a trade after the fact, you evalute it at the time of its occurrence. At the time, we thought we were getting a good deal with Freddy, Guillen had been an injury problem that wasn’t producing nearly what he has been lately, and the Randy Wynn trade was a gamble not designed to help immediatley. While that doesn’t defend the suckitude of this trade, I don’t feel it’s a legit comparison.
Does Atlanta have any hot prospects worth this deal?
Lilly gets 4/$40 from Cruds. Seems relatibely reasonable for a pitcher who might be a better lefty than Zito. Lou beside himself.
Yanks predictably focused on Pettitte, apparently didn’t even bid on former farmhand Lilly.
Good news for Blue Jays Fans here and abroad: they are closing in on Meche AND Matt Stairs.
How about some Bavasi haikus.
Ahem..
player value high
don’t throw away for nothing
bill doesn’t get it
There is no chance at the moment right now that Soriano’s going to start for the Braves. There’s not a spot for him to do so. You’ve got (in order) John Smoltz, Tim Hudson, Mike Hampton, Chuck James, and Kyle Davies. The Braves also have about three or four other players either in the bullpen currently or in AAA Richmond who could be starting in the major leauges right now. Also, the Braves are very unlikely to unload any of their young talent because of payroll constrictions. One more thing. The Braves might be unloading Adam LaRoche, but wouldn’t be interested in getting Richie Sexton because his contract would be more than LaRoche’s even with arbitration.