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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/13/i-want-to-cry/comment-page-2/#comment-158966</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Bavasi won&#039;t be coming to any future feeds. I was looking forward to bringing my own torch and pitchfork.

Sooooo... the Sounders still around?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Bavasi won&#8217;t be coming to any future feeds. I was looking forward to bringing my own torch and pitchfork.</p>
<p>Sooooo&#8230; the Sounders still around?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been this pissed since Heathcliff Slocumb.

I had been thinking for a few weeks that all my Mariners hats were getting a little ragged, but after the last two weeks, there&#039;s no chance in fucking hell that this team sees one penny of my money for a long fucking time.

Baseball is supposed to be some sort of &quot;public trust,&quot; right (that&#039;s how they get the anti-trust exemption)? So is there any chance of suing for fraud or something? There&#039;s simply no way that screwing over this many fans with a rusty pole isn&#039;t criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been this pissed since Heathcliff Slocumb.</p>
<p>I had been thinking for a few weeks that all my Mariners hats were getting a little ragged, but after the last two weeks, there&#8217;s no chance in fucking hell that this team sees one penny of my money for a long fucking time.</p>
<p>Baseball is supposed to be some sort of &#8220;public trust,&#8221; right (that&#8217;s how they get the anti-trust exemption)? So is there any chance of suing for fraud or something? There&#8217;s simply no way that screwing over this many fans with a rusty pole isn&#8217;t criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: DKCecil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKCecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64, what is the point in trading them for a declining 2B who&#039;s going to cost $6 million?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64, what is the point in trading them for a declining 2B who&#8217;s going to cost $6 million?</p>
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		<title>By: AQ</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/13/i-want-to-cry/comment-page-2/#comment-158957</link>
		<dc:creator>AQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#64 - Let me break this down in the simplest of terms.  The M&#039;s have traded two young guys with potential for one former All Star who is in the decline phase of his career.  They did this when they could have picked up someone off the waiver wire who could have performed at a comparable level.  That about covers it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#64 &#8211; Let me break this down in the simplest of terms.  The M&#8217;s have traded two young guys with potential for one former All Star who is in the decline phase of his career.  They did this when they could have picked up someone off the waiver wire who could have performed at a comparable level.  That about covers it.</p>
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		<title>By: Edman</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2006/12/13/i-want-to-cry/comment-page-2/#comment-158952</link>
		<dc:creator>Edman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just curious.....what&#039;s the going rate for a guy who couldn&#039;t hit at AAA last year and has a difficult time playing a full season......and a pitcher who up until last year, wasn&#039;t even in the M&#039;s top 100 prospects and can&#039;t consistantly throw strikes? I&#039;m sure we could have gotten Santana from the Twins.

Just because Snelling is a Mariner Farm System favorite amongst the Mariner biased fans, doesn&#039;t mean the rest of the league sees it the same.

If those guys were in another organization, there would be plenty of concerns.

I think Snelling will have a good career, but he has PLENTY to prove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just curious&#8230;..what&#8217;s the going rate for a guy who couldn&#8217;t hit at AAA last year and has a difficult time playing a full season&#8230;&#8230;and a pitcher who up until last year, wasn&#8217;t even in the M&#8217;s top 100 prospects and can&#8217;t consistantly throw strikes? I&#8217;m sure we could have gotten Santana from the Twins.</p>
<p>Just because Snelling is a Mariner Farm System favorite amongst the Mariner biased fans, doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of the league sees it the same.</p>
<p>If those guys were in another organization, there would be plenty of concerns.</p>
<p>I think Snelling will have a good career, but he has PLENTY to prove.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My condolences, Dave.  I&#039;m sure this hurts you as much as anyone.

These recent moves make me wonder if he&#039;s doing this to spite the very blogosphere that invited him to two feeds and canonized players like Doyle.  I mean, it doesn&#039;t sound reasonable or plausible, but a part of me wonders how much of this was throwing it in sabermetrics&#039; face for the sake of conventional baseball &#039;wisdom.&#039;

Even if that&#039;s a total crock, it&#039;s still sad what Bill Bavasi has done to this team over the last 2 weeks.  Maybe he IS a plant for the Angels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My condolences, Dave.  I&#8217;m sure this hurts you as much as anyone.</p>
<p>These recent moves make me wonder if he&#8217;s doing this to spite the very blogosphere that invited him to two feeds and canonized players like Doyle.  I mean, it doesn&#8217;t sound reasonable or plausible, but a part of me wonders how much of this was throwing it in sabermetrics&#8217; face for the sake of conventional baseball &#8216;wisdom.&#8217;</p>
<p>Even if that&#8217;s a total crock, it&#8217;s still sad what Bill Bavasi has done to this team over the last 2 weeks.  Maybe he IS a plant for the Angels.</p>
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		<title>By: AQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#58 - You&#039;re completely missing the point.  Even if (for some odd reason) I agreed with your assessment of Snelling, the fact remains that we needlessly gave up 2 players for a player of Vidro&#039;s caliber.  Conversely, we could have picked up someone like Marcus Giles for a fraction of the salary and without losing any players in the process.

Yes, Vidro *was* an All Star a few years ago.  &quot;A few years ago&quot; is the operative part of that statement.  You know who else came to Seattle via trade that was an All Stars &quot;a few years&quot; prior to arriving in Seattle?  Jeff Cirillo.  Want another name of someone who was an All Star &quot;a few years&quot; prior to arriving in Seattle?  Rich Aurilia.  I think that speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#58 &#8211; You&#8217;re completely missing the point.  Even if (for some odd reason) I agreed with your assessment of Snelling, the fact remains that we needlessly gave up 2 players for a player of Vidro&#8217;s caliber.  Conversely, we could have picked up someone like Marcus Giles for a fraction of the salary and without losing any players in the process.</p>
<p>Yes, Vidro *was* an All Star a few years ago.  &#8220;A few years ago&#8221; is the operative part of that statement.  You know who else came to Seattle via trade that was an All Stars &#8220;a few years&#8221; prior to arriving in Seattle?  Jeff Cirillo.  Want another name of someone who was an All Star &#8220;a few years&#8221; prior to arriving in Seattle?  Rich Aurilia.  I think that speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: etowncoug</title>
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		<dc:creator>etowncoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still glad Bavasi is being aggressive in the trade market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still glad Bavasi is being aggressive in the trade market?</p>
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		<title>By: atait</title>
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		<dc:creator>atait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>57 - All that money for a DH whose numbers have declined the last three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>57 &#8211; All that money for a DH whose numbers have declined the last three years.</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Corcoran I</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Corcoran I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this. We&#039;ll trade Broussard away for a bag of magic beans, and we traded Snelling.

In the end of this, we&#039;ll have given up 2 DHs who are better hitters than Vidro, and a decent relief prospect for Jose Vidro and a non-prospect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this. We&#8217;ll trade Broussard away for a bag of magic beans, and we traded Snelling.</p>
<p>In the end of this, we&#8217;ll have given up 2 DHs who are better hitters than Vidro, and a decent relief prospect for Jose Vidro and a non-prospect.</p>
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