Pineiro to the Red Sox for 1y, $4m
DMZ · January 3, 2007 at 1:50 pm · Filed Under General baseball
Free-agent pitcher Joel Pineiro is closing in on a one-year deal with the Boston Red Sox, two baseball sources told ESPN.com. The deal is believed to be worth a guaranteed $4 million plus incentives, and is conditional on Pineiro passing a physical exam.
Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwow. And they’re a pretty smart organization. I have no idea what they’re thinking.
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How many guys have tanked as a starter after early success, and then moved to the closer role and thrived? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
Gagne? Eckersley?
Nathan, Foulke, Isringhausen
I guess Hoffman didn’t really have any success as a starter….
I look at Burroughs and Pineiro the same basically… They definately overpaid Pineiro he should of been paid the same as Burroughs
I have to say the shrewd moves the Red Sox have made have made me depressed as a Jays fan this offseason. However, I think the are flubbing it with their pen. They also got Mike TImlin and JC Romero, and now Piniero. The only good guy they brought in was Donnelly, who I like. The player option on this, when it comes out, could officially make this a bad deal. I can only hope…
My memories of Joel (and I haven’t looked back to see if this is actually true statistically) is that often his first couple of innings were disasters, and then he settled down and threw 3 or 4 more innings of pretty-to-very good ball — but by then the team was operating out of a hole because of the runs scored in those first two innings. At least, that was why my “Hey, what if they made Joel a reliever” thoughts never went very far (even after they had actually done that).
The player option vests if Pineiro finishes 35+ games. If he does that, he’ll have earned the option.
Dave Righetti. Oooh oooh! Roy Face almost counts.
Rick Aguilera.
Early success as a starter, struggled, did well as a closer.
Lindy McDaniel. Stu Miller, if you’re allowed to struggle for a while. Tom Gordon, though… not so much with the brief initial success then struggle.
Jeff Russell! 83, success, 84-85 increasing suckiness as a starter, then off to success in the bullpen (with, uh, that 1988 return to starting) and a long career as a late-inning reliever.
Hrm. Not sure at all what to think about this….
But if the Sox CAN get some use out of Pineiro, I think we can say that the Ms have little aptitude for talent recognition and just as little aptitude for maximizing the talent they do have….
But if the Sox CAN get some use out of Pineiro, I think we can say that the Ms have little aptitude for talent recognition and just as little aptitude for maximizing the talent they do have….
Or, the blind squirrel finally found a nut.
Derek Lowe did it in reverse.
well, I don’t think you can say the Ms gave up on Joel too fast….
62: Miguel Batista did it, and then switched back. Eric Gagne as well.
I think Tom Gordon counts.
I love, re-reading this thread, that you can see where I get distracted and then totally start researching some bizarre question about where closers come from and end up spending a lot of time looking at people who racked up saves in the 1950s.
This is why I don’t get articles done.
Uh, Corco, I don’t think the Rangers are planning on 200 IP from Gagne. Plus, I don’t think Batista has actually “thrived” as a starter or closer.
I wish I was a horrible pitcher. I could use $4 million.
Yea, it was real tough suffering through that World Series championship. Hard times to be sure, clown.
Mm. It’s really not an awful move, but I have to agree with Bender in #15; I don’t think that Pineiro does anything for Boston that a 29 year old career AAA starter couldn’t do for an order of magnitude less money. And a random AAA starter has more breakout potential.
I have to figure that Boston thinks there’s something specific to ‘fix’ about Pineiro and are willing to take a chance on being right about that. I have my doubts.
#69: What you said.
Also I’m sure the suffering was just awful in Boston when, down 0 games to 3, they won 4 in a row against NY, with NY taking a lead into the 8th inning of the first 2 games with The Greatest Closer In The History Of The Game on the hill, and then winning the final 2 in The House That Ruth Built.
We’re talking about wailing and gnashing of teeth.
But enough about that.
Here is Curt Schilling’s analysis of the Joel deal: I’m still pissed we didn’t sign Rollie Fingers….Oh wait, he’s not available. Market was sickeningly think [sic] for the top shelf stopper this winter, I think we’ll find someone to save 42 out of 52 chances this year. We do that and I like our chances.
“Someone to say 42 out of 52.” Yep, “someone.” You heard it here first.
Meche says “Ha-ha!”
Waay to late but how about Branston Arroyo, a pitcher who’s frequently in a pickle?
http://www.britishdelights.com/branston.htm
If he can regain velocity in the bullpen, he could be useful. This is a BIG if however.
67: I didn’t mean to imply they were planning on starting Gagne, rather he is an example of a mediocre starter turned sweet closer.. It does read like that, however.
My question is how the BAWSTON fans will butcher the pronunciation of his name. My guess is PENAYHRUH.
I guess they see some value in his short relief, 89 mph fastball and 0 pitch arsenal.
But those 30 pitches only got him through 1 inning.
#76: Most New Englanders think you talk funny too.
#44 Very funny indeed.
I didn’t mean to evoke the wrath of lurking Boston fans. Sorry about that.
Good job with 2004.
Your accents are beautiful.
Hope you enjoy Pineiro.
hmm. apparently BP thinks he might have had closer stuff:
Sure, he won 16 games, but he lost 11 (making him look flaky), plus that was his career high in innings pitched (and it only happened because that was the season with only 5 starters).
Except that Pineiro has a bit more power and Burroughs has a better fastball.
Love Schilling’s analysis of the deal. If Pineiro gets 42 saves I’ll eat my hat.
Funny, I was just wondering how my New England neighbors would pronounce Pinata.
#84: Easy: peen-YAH-ter.