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		<title>By: bongo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/22/mike-hargrove-sigh/comment-page-2/#comment-165181</link>
		<dc:creator>bongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if we brought Casey Stengel back from the dead to comment on this team?

On the team progress in spring training: The team has come along slow but fast.

On Willie Bloomquist: Son, we&#039;d like to keep you around this season but we&#039;re going to try and win a pennant. 

About Rene Rivera: Two hundred million Americans, and there ain&#039;t two good catchers among &#039;em. 

About the 11 game losing streak: We are in such a slump that even the ones that aren&#039;t drinkin&#039; aren&#039;t hittin&#039;. 

About the prospects for 2007: The Mariners are gonna be amazing.  

On Mariner&#039;s management: it&#039;s wonderful to meet so many friends that I didn&#039;t used to like.

On Emiliano Fruto: Mr. that boy couldn&#039;t hit the ground if he fell out of an airplane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we brought Casey Stengel back from the dead to comment on this team?</p>
<p>On the team progress in spring training: The team has come along slow but fast.</p>
<p>On Willie Bloomquist: Son, we&#8217;d like to keep you around this season but we&#8217;re going to try and win a pennant. </p>
<p>About Rene Rivera: Two hundred million Americans, and there ain&#8217;t two good catchers among &#8216;em. </p>
<p>About the 11 game losing streak: We are in such a slump that even the ones that aren&#8217;t drinkin&#8217; aren&#8217;t hittin&#8217;. </p>
<p>About the prospects for 2007: The Mariners are gonna be amazing.  </p>
<p>On Mariner&#8217;s management: it&#8217;s wonderful to meet so many friends that I didn&#8217;t used to like.</p>
<p>On Emiliano Fruto: Mr. that boy couldn&#8217;t hit the ground if he fell out of an airplane.</p>
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		<title>By: tacomahal</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/22/mike-hargrove-sigh/comment-page-2/#comment-165170</link>
		<dc:creator>tacomahal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35 .. To correct the record on Mike Schmidt

*If* Schmidt was criticized for hitting .250 it was probably because the critics knew he was capable of much better. In fact, in the 13 seasons Schmidt hit 30+ home runs, he hit in the .250 range just three times. Of course, in each of those season&#039;s he drew 100+ walks, including 120 once and 128 another time. That&#039;s DOUBLE what Sexson drew last year. What&#039;s more, Schmidt led the NL in OBP three times and finished in the top 5 sevent times. Sexson&#039;s OBP last year was .338. The only time Schmidt and Sexson should be in the same sentence is when someone is listing players whose names end in the letter S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35 .. To correct the record on Mike Schmidt</p>
<p>*If* Schmidt was criticized for hitting .250 it was probably because the critics knew he was capable of much better. In fact, in the 13 seasons Schmidt hit 30+ home runs, he hit in the .250 range just three times. Of course, in each of those season&#8217;s he drew 100+ walks, including 120 once and 128 another time. That&#8217;s DOUBLE what Sexson drew last year. What&#8217;s more, Schmidt led the NL in OBP three times and finished in the top 5 sevent times. Sexson&#8217;s OBP last year was .338. The only time Schmidt and Sexson should be in the same sentence is when someone is listing players whose names end in the letter S.</p>
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		<title>By: phil333</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/22/mike-hargrove-sigh/comment-page-2/#comment-165151</link>
		<dc:creator>phil333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Hargrove was way too big of a stress in my life last year. God I was at that game in Chicago early in the season when we were up and he went to Every Fifth Day Eddie and of course he gave up a HR and we ended up losing. So painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Hargrove was way too big of a stress in my life last year. God I was at that game in Chicago early in the season when we were up and he went to Every Fifth Day Eddie and of course he gave up a HR and we ended up losing. So painful.</p>
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		<title>By: StevieFromTheOly</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevieFromTheOly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I must be the only person on here pedantic enough to be annoyed by misuse of the phrase “beg the question”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for pointing that out. I had a feeling I may have misused that phrase. Yet another day I was probably hungover in logic class in college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I must be the only person on here pedantic enough to be annoyed by misuse of the phrase “beg the question”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out. I had a feeling I may have misused that phrase. Yet another day I was probably hungover in logic class in college.</p>
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		<title>By: bradguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a guy that would produce walks...his name was Chris Snelling, and we know what happened to him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a guy that would produce walks&#8230;his name was Chris Snelling, and we know what happened to him!</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/02/22/mike-hargrove-sigh/comment-page-2/#comment-165098</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The big problem that I have with the M’s batting order is there is NOBODY in it who takes walks, and that’s pretty much true everywhere in the order. The Mariners had exactly zero players who got more than 60 unintentional walks last year &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, and that tells you that the brain trust for the team just doesn&#039;t consider that a problem.

Par for the course....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The big problem that I have with the M’s batting order is there is NOBODY in it who takes walks, and that’s pretty much true everywhere in the order. The Mariners had exactly zero players who got more than 60 unintentional walks last year </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and that tells you that the brain trust for the team just doesn&#8217;t consider that a problem.</p>
<p>Par for the course&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43: You know what I meant. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43: You know what I meant. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regarding trade off for SO. Even if there were a 150 SO difference between 2 players, that’s like 3.3 runs. 100 SO difference 2.2 runs. Hardly worth worrying about the trade off of increased HR and BB.&lt;/i&gt;

I wasn&#039;t saying that the increased strikeout rate was good or bad, just that it was.  I agree that some extra strikeouts aren&#039;t really a big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Regarding trade off for SO. Even if there were a 150 SO difference between 2 players, that’s like 3.3 runs. 100 SO difference 2.2 runs. Hardly worth worrying about the trade off of increased HR and BB.</i></p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t saying that the increased strikeout rate was good or bad, just that it was.  I agree that some extra strikeouts aren&#8217;t really a big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37 - cool, thanx.  I look forward to seeing Rohn back in Tacoma when the Grizzlies come to town April 17.  Always liked the little fireball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#37 &#8211; cool, thanx.  I look forward to seeing Rohn back in Tacoma when the Grizzlies come to town April 17.  Always liked the little fireball.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, Richie didn&#039;t hit .240 last year, either. He hit .264, and actually BEAT his 2005 batting average by a point.

Batting Sexson 4th is actually reasonable under the circumstances. The big problem that I have with the M&#039;s batting order is there is NOBODY in it who takes walks, and that&#039;s pretty much true everywhere in the order. The Mariners had exactly zero players who got more than 60 unintentional walks last year, and their response was to add Jose Guillen as a fulltime player, who has never seen a pitch he doesn&#039;t like (lifetime high in unintentional walks=32, though he DOES take a lot of HBP, gee, wonder why), and Jose Vidro, whose lifetime high in non-intentional BB&#039;s is 62. The M&#039;s will score some runs when the hitters get hot, but are going to be some nights where it&#039;s just fugly out there, because none of these guys is anything resembling a Ted Williams-style patient hitter. Ironic that a franchise that starred Edgar Martinez for so long has nobody who has anything approaching his style at the plate, all of 3 years later huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Richie didn&#8217;t hit .240 last year, either. He hit .264, and actually BEAT his 2005 batting average by a point.</p>
<p>Batting Sexson 4th is actually reasonable under the circumstances. The big problem that I have with the M&#8217;s batting order is there is NOBODY in it who takes walks, and that&#8217;s pretty much true everywhere in the order. The Mariners had exactly zero players who got more than 60 unintentional walks last year, and their response was to add Jose Guillen as a fulltime player, who has never seen a pitch he doesn&#8217;t like (lifetime high in unintentional walks=32, though he DOES take a lot of HBP, gee, wonder why), and Jose Vidro, whose lifetime high in non-intentional BB&#8217;s is 62. The M&#8217;s will score some runs when the hitters get hot, but are going to be some nights where it&#8217;s just fugly out there, because none of these guys is anything resembling a Ted Williams-style patient hitter. Ironic that a franchise that starred Edgar Martinez for so long has nobody who has anything approaching his style at the plate, all of 3 years later huh?</p>
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