Comments on: Community Projection: Jose Vidro

By: DMZ

DMZ — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:40:40 +0000

There’s a couple parts to that. It doesn’t say it’s the worst trade right now

Ignoring, for a second, your omission of Fruto and your low opinion of Snelling, the team gave up two prospects to take on a massive salary. Dave’s comment was that if Vidro indeed hits to the community projection, it might go down as the worst in team history.

Without knowing the futures of Fruto/Snelling, we obviously can’t know now, but Vidro’s projection if he hits that badly will be arguablly the worst payout the team’s ever made, and trading away anything to get that contract will indeed put it up for consideration as the worst trade. If the two players we gave up become something, that’s even worse.

By: F-Rod

F-Rod — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:28:24 +0000

I guess I didn’t read long enough….Does that say worst trade in team history? Come on that is unwriteable, giving away a 4th outfielder cannot be the teams worst trade ever. How about Dave Hollins for David Ortiz….That one was a little worse.

By: IdahoInvader

IdahoInvader — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:36:38 +0000

Why did Johnny Ray absolutely fall off the map so suddenly? Did he get hurt?

By: Grizz

Grizz — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:26:17 +0000

Vidro’s top PECOTA comparables are essentially Tony Fernandez and a bunch of guys who quickly declined from good to mildly useful (or worse) as they entered their mid-30s (Johnny Ray, Tommy Herr, Jeff Cirillo, Mark Loretta).

By: gwangung

gwangung — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:05:53 +0000

I simply find it outrageous that 55 predicters are putting Vidro to have his worst average(often by a long shot) in the last 8 years. And that his predicted mean average is 31 pts below his career average.

Park adjustments (i.e. Montreal)! Age!

I find it outrageous that someone isn’t even considering them. This is basic stuff.

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:36:52 +0000

Yes, it’s outrageous that a 32 year old with bad knees switching to a more competitive league might perform worse than he did as a healthy player in his prime.

He’s not the player he was five years ago. You need to get used to that.

By: F-Rod

F-Rod — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:30:13 +0000

I simply find it outrageous that 55 predicters are putting Vidro to have his worst average(often by a long shot) in the last 8 years. And that his predicted mean average is 31 pts below his career average.

By: gwangung

gwangung — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:14:54 +0000

by posters I meant the lay folk who make up the bulk of the projection not your prediction which was fine…I was talking about the jokers who have him hitting 240 and 230….maybe I mixed up posters/contributers…but the random guys who made up the bulk of the google database were way off base on this guy,

As Dave says, the bulk of the database HAS to place him around .270—that’s the way the numbers work. (*sigh* Innumerancy, it is rampant…)

Someone’s off base on this guy…but it’s not “the random guys”….

By: Grizz

Grizz — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:32:20 +0000

So typical of USSM fans. If you guys (posters not contributers) don’t like a move you bash the player unrealistically.

Yeah, we are still wiping the egg off our faces from bashing last year’s Washburn and Everett signings.

By: Dave

Dave — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:11:32 +0000

If the communtiy projection has him at .270, then the “bulk of the projection” does not have him hitting .230 or .240. Most people had him hitting between .260 and .290.