Afternoon awkwardness, Foppert farewell
DMZ · March 18, 2007 at 12:51 pm · Filed Under Mariners
M’s pitchers will hit in their game against Milwaukee at or about 1:05. If you can tear yourself away from the NCAA tournament. Maybe put the radio on while you watch?
The team released Jesse Foppert. John Hickey at the PI summed it up:
“The Mariners now official have notthing to show for the mid-2005 trade of Randy Winn to the San Francisco Giants”[sic x2]
Foppert looked for a while like he might be returning to form, and then… didn’t happen.
Weirdness about today’s supposed lineup:
Reed in right
Ordonez at short
Bloomquist at third
Guillen misses another game, Vidro sits without the DH.
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Stone on Morrow, Arnold on Feierabend, and with a note on Jo’s failure to throw anyone out this spring
Sure, it’s annoying we got nothing for Winn, but I’m over it. They were looking at Foppert as high risk-high reward, and the risk won out. I’m not upset about that trade. It didn’t seem horrible at the time.
Winn got overpaid after he re-signed anyway. I’m not losing sleep over it.
It was a weak trade. I know I was in the minority at the time, but having seen the Giants’ lack of confidence in Torrealba and Foppert’s wounded wing, today’s outcome is no surprise.
So far Bob Uecker has called Kenji “Hohama; Yohama; Johima…” Finally got close enough and has settled on “JoJEEma”.
Waiting for a “juuuuuust a bit outside…” Gosh, I love XM!
Also not stressing out about this one. Anything they got out of Foppert was going to be a bonus, and it’s not as though they really needed Winn anyway.
Ichiro! comes through with a two run single. This was after Reed spanked a ball to center field and Ordonez push’bunted aboard. King Felix sacrificed to put them at second and third and… well in normal game situations you’d probably walk Ichiro here but… it’s spring training so… Ichiro made them pay. Bye Sheets.
well getting rid of Winn was the opening we needed…we were going to give Snelling a shot…oh wait.
We were going to hand that OF position to Reed…oh wait…
Man, we stink!
(shrug) It seemed like a nice trade at the time.
Maybe if the M’s kept Winn all this time Raul would have continued being the DH. No Crazy Carl. No Vidro. blah blah blah…
You know, keeping JoeJessica wouldn’t have been a bad thing…. what did we get for him?
Have we made a good trade in the last 5 years?
Re 11,
Yes. “Results” of trades don’t indicate whether the trade was bad or good. Most of our trades, at the time, were relatively decent trades and some were really good (Garcia trade). Some were also stupid (Vidro).
The Garcia and Winn trades were good trades. Trading Carlos Guillen and Doyle were painful….before and afterwards.
I would say that the Dave Hansen for Jon Huber trade turned out in the M’s favor.
JoeJessica was dealt for Marcos Carvajal. Who was dealt for Jose de la Cruz, I believe.
Jason is right, I just looked it up on Baseball-Reference.
R.I.P. Foppert as a Mariner.
I’m guessing we would have been willing to trade Winn for a sandwich. We didn’t need another par catcher that year and Fopp looked like a high risk – low reward to me.
I dunno, I liked Winn – hit for average, good speed, decent LEFT fielder….but I haven’t lost any sleep over it.
And I think most of us thought it was a decent enough trade at the time. I guess that’s why we’re not the GM….but, wait, then why is the GM GM?
JoeJessica was less than nothing last year for the Rockies, too. His career is hanging on right now by not much.
Jim Street says Willie Bloomquist has learned how to hit at age 29:
18, thanks…that was good for a gut laugh. If Bloomie’s right, then I predict .285/.285/.285….yummy!
It’s hilarious. Every player “tweaks” their swing or their pitching mechanics when they’re coming off a bad year. They’re positive they got it all figured out. And then they go right on being what they were.
I admit, I drank this Kool-Aid in a big way a few years ago when I did a story for my paper on Aaron Sele in which I spent several hours with he and Bryan Price talking about how they’d pinpointed his mechnaical flaws via videotape. They explained what Sele was correcting in his approach with such logical detail that yes, I completely bought into it. I mean, hey … it all made perfect sense.
Sele was released less than a month after I wrote my story.
JoeJessica was less than nothing last year for the Rockies, too. His career is hanging on right now by not much.
If that was less than nothing, what does Rivera’s season count as? Torrealba had about a .235 EQA, and he threw out about 40% of would-be base stealers. Sounds like a standard issue backup catcher to me. Depending on how bad his shoulder injury was, he could easily hang around another ten or more years. The bar for backup catcher is not high, as every team needs one.
I’d rather have de la Cruz than Winn, Torrealba, or Carvajal. A zero is better than a negative impact.
Didn’t we officially get nothing for Winn last time we released Foppert too?
11. Garcia trade was good? Freddie was a big instrument in Sox winning a pennant and world series. I’m not sure that Oliva, Reed or Morse has done a thing or will. The trade does illustrate that from the onset of Bavasi’s tenure that they have difficulty in evaluating and projecting talent.
At the end of the day with time to review a trade one can and should ask, did the players make their new team better, worse or had no impact. Garcia made the White Sox better. Oliva made the Mariners worse, Reed neutral to worse and Morse has had no effect.
Looked at that way it was a bad trade. You don’t trade for anything other than performance. Maybe you bargain “now” for the future, well the future has come and gone and that deal was not good.
#18 – also, Willie Bloomquist is in the “best shape of his life.”
23: That’s a risk you take when you trade an established major leaguer for promising young talent. A lot of times it works. Sometimes, like in this case, it doesn’t.
You know what’s not a risk, though? Looking up how to spell a player’s name correctly on baseball-reference.com – unless that’s a very clever way of calling Miguel Olivo a girl. In which case, applause are due.
I have to ask, #25…a lot of times it works?
How long have you been a Mariner fan, exactly?
#23 – that was for 2 months of Garcia. He signed for a godawful amount of money after that and any subsequent years are not relevant to the trade.
M’s win! Bloomie is 2-4 and scores 3! This guy just keeps rolling. If he keeps rolling into the regular season M’s may roll right into the post season on his coattails!
Careful, QuoVadis, the USSM bloggers might take you as seriously as they did your stand on “courtesy”.
Hey, the game was a fun game to watch today, but the Brewers park is not in a good area of Phoenix.
1) They couldn’t touch Felix’s curve, but hammered his heater
2) Everyone was hitting the ball hard.
2a) RAUUUUUUL
2b) Broussard smoked one!
3) Reed looked better and made excellent contact
4) It took Sexson 3 ABs to get a strikeout
5) Willie played some good baseball today
6) Why can’t we keep Burke instead of Rivera?
#30:
“4) It took Sexson 3 ABs to get a strikeout”
Yeah Sexy!
and it may well have been true– there is that whole ‘carrying it out’ problem, though 🙂
oooh, Grit is a
world-wide phenomenon!
“David Cameron vowed the Conservatives would show “grit” in backing unpopular policies where necessary, as he yesterday defended plans to tax frequent flyers and reward marriage. The Tory leader told his party’s spring conference in Nottingham that this year, his second as leader, would be charac-terised by “the gritty determination to stick to our guns, to take tough-decisions”.