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	<title>Comments on: King Felix running loose?</title>
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		<title>By: rbpaintballer</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/19/king-felix-running-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-167365</link>
		<dc:creator>rbpaintballer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the market the way it is Beltre was actually maybe fair market value in todays FA market Gil Meche ,J.D. Drew, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the market the way it is Beltre was actually maybe fair market value in todays FA market Gil Meche ,J.D. Drew, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Slick</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/19/king-felix-running-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-167245</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Slick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dola,

Beltre had a very solid season last year, exactly the kind of year we ought to be expecting him to have. Is it the same as that monstrous 2004? No, but if anybody thought he was going to have lots and lots of years based on that single anomalous season, they probably weren&#039;t thinking very clearly or at least were very optimistic. As it stands, we&#039;ve got an above-average bat for a 3rd baseman with a killer glove that would be getting accolades if it weren&#039;t for the presence of Eric Chavez. The team overpaid, yes, but not half as badly as they overpaid for Richie Sexson, who always seems to be left out of these sorts of discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dola,</p>
<p>Beltre had a very solid season last year, exactly the kind of year we ought to be expecting him to have. Is it the same as that monstrous 2004? No, but if anybody thought he was going to have lots and lots of years based on that single anomalous season, they probably weren&#8217;t thinking very clearly or at least were very optimistic. As it stands, we&#8217;ve got an above-average bat for a 3rd baseman with a killer glove that would be getting accolades if it weren&#8217;t for the presence of Eric Chavez. The team overpaid, yes, but not half as badly as they overpaid for Richie Sexson, who always seems to be left out of these sorts of discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Slick</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/19/king-felix-running-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-167244</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Slick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if this means Hargrove will be allowed to let Hernandez pitch 24 complete games, a la Ralph Houk &amp; Mark Fidrych in 1976. Fidrych was 21, for those who don’t recall, and blew his arm out the next year.

This is a defensible parallel because Houk at the time was suffering through the same endemic synaptic sluggishness as Hargrove is today.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unless he was the first coming of Chien-Ming Wang, Fydrich wasn&#039;t going to be much of anything anyway. 97 Ks in 250.1 IP does not spell long-term greatness.

Anyway, the pendulum has turned way over the other way in terms of handling pitchers. Nobody&#039;s going to go the route of Ralph Houk in &#039;76 or Billy Martin in &#039;80 because the current conventional wisdom is that you never, ever let kids pitch throw more than 100 or so pitches every 5 days because that&#039;s what a bullpen is for. At this point I&#039;m convinced that with only a few exceptions what pitching injuries you see are the result of mechanics or genetics, not overuse. Well... I will say that if you train a guy&#039;s arm to last 95 pitches and then you try to run him out there for 115 a night, he might get hurt due to something similar to &quot;overuse&quot; but I don&#039;t like the term there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if this means Hargrove will be allowed to let Hernandez pitch 24 complete games, a la Ralph Houk &amp; Mark Fidrych in 1976. Fidrych was 21, for those who don’t recall, and blew his arm out the next year.</p>
<p>This is a defensible parallel because Houk at the time was suffering through the same endemic synaptic sluggishness as Hargrove is today.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless he was the first coming of Chien-Ming Wang, Fydrich wasn&#8217;t going to be much of anything anyway. 97 Ks in 250.1 IP does not spell long-term greatness.</p>
<p>Anyway, the pendulum has turned way over the other way in terms of handling pitchers. Nobody&#8217;s going to go the route of Ralph Houk in &#8216;76 or Billy Martin in &#8216;80 because the current conventional wisdom is that you never, ever let kids pitch throw more than 100 or so pitches every 5 days because that&#8217;s what a bullpen is for. At this point I&#8217;m convinced that with only a few exceptions what pitching injuries you see are the result of mechanics or genetics, not overuse. Well&#8230; I will say that if you train a guy&#8217;s arm to last 95 pitches and then you try to run him out there for 115 a night, he might get hurt due to something similar to &#8220;overuse&#8221; but I don&#8217;t like the term there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Malph</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/19/king-felix-running-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-167223</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubles?  Doubles are your criterion for how good your leadoff hitter is?  If you&#039;re going to compare his doubles to the slowest player in the league you might factor in the 45/2 SB/CS.

When he won the MVP in 2001, Ichiro hit 350/381/457.  In 2004, he hit 372/414/455.  That&#039;s an MVP candidate in my book, particularly if he plays CF.  Last year at 322/370/416 not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubles?  Doubles are your criterion for how good your leadoff hitter is?  If you&#8217;re going to compare his doubles to the slowest player in the league you might factor in the 45/2 SB/CS.</p>
<p>When he won the MVP in 2001, Ichiro hit 350/381/457.  In 2004, he hit 372/414/455.  That&#8217;s an MVP candidate in my book, particularly if he plays CF.  Last year at 322/370/416 not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: mstaples</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/03/19/king-felix-running-loose/comment-page-1/#comment-167217</link>
		<dc:creator>mstaples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Felix get to throw his slider this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Felix get to throw his slider this year?</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A leadoff hitter who hits the same amount of doubles last year as the slowest player in the league doesn’t scream out “MVP candidate” to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

WHen he&#039;s your centerfielder, he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A leadoff hitter who hits the same amount of doubles last year as the slowest player in the league doesn’t scream out “MVP candidate” to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>WHen he&#8217;s your centerfielder, he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on.  I was asking a serious question, and I get Ichiro and Beltre?  A leadoff hitter who hits the same amount of doubles last year as the slowest player in the league doesn&#039;t scream out &quot;MVP candidate&quot; to me.  And some people were predicting the same things for Beltre last year after his meaningless World Cup (or whatever it was called) performance.  I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on.  I was asking a serious question, and I get Ichiro and Beltre?  A leadoff hitter who hits the same amount of doubles last year as the slowest player in the league doesn&#8217;t scream out &#8220;MVP candidate&#8221; to me.  And some people were predicting the same things for Beltre last year after his meaningless World Cup (or whatever it was called) performance.  I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: B_Con</title>
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		<dc:creator>B_Con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was referring to Beltre having another contract-year-esque season I believe.  Felix would be having a Cy-Young quality season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was referring to Beltre having another contract-year-esque season I believe.  Felix would be having a Cy-Young quality season.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Who are the two MVP candidates that we have?&lt;/em&gt;

I think Ichiro and Felix.  Really, I think Ichiro should be a lock with a continuance of past performance, and if Felix performs up to what he can do he should be a lock as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Who are the two MVP candidates that we have?</em></p>
<p>I think Ichiro and Felix.  Really, I think Ichiro should be a lock with a continuance of past performance, and if Felix performs up to what he can do he should be a lock as well.</p>
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		<title>By: B_Con</title>
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		<dc:creator>B_Con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 05:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those would be Eric O&#039;Flagherty and Gookie Dawkins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those would be Eric O&#8217;Flagherty and Gookie Dawkins.</p>
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