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		<title>By: Safeco Hobo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/04/talent-overload-in-appleton/comment-page-2/#comment-170378</link>
		<dc:creator>Safeco Hobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of a more broad question:  How can this GM and his management team be so TERRIBLE at evaluating major league talent in their trades and signings, but be half way decent with their evaluating of rough and undeveloped talent for their drafts?  Is there more political issues driving their decisions on the major league level?  Is it just he has better advisors and scouts helping on the draft than helping in the trades and signings? 

It seems like team Bavasi has gotten better with their drafts each year, but increasingly worse with their Major league trades and signings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of a more broad question:  How can this GM and his management team be so TERRIBLE at evaluating major league talent in their trades and signings, but be half way decent with their evaluating of rough and undeveloped talent for their drafts?  Is there more political issues driving their decisions on the major league level?  Is it just he has better advisors and scouts helping on the draft than helping in the trades and signings? </p>
<p>It seems like team Bavasi has gotten better with their drafts each year, but increasingly worse with their Major league trades and signings.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/04/talent-overload-in-appleton/comment-page-2/#comment-170367</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Going all the way back to post 7, are you saying Liddi has a higher ceiling as a hitter than Halman?&lt;/em&gt;

Yea, I like Liddi more than Halman offensively.  Halman could make up the difference with his glove, and they&#039;re similarly valuable prospects, but just on offense, I&#039;d prefer Liddi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Going all the way back to post 7, are you saying Liddi has a higher ceiling as a hitter than Halman?</em></p>
<p>Yea, I like Liddi more than Halman offensively.  Halman could make up the difference with his glove, and they&#8217;re similarly valuable prospects, but just on offense, I&#8217;d prefer Liddi.</p>
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		<title>By: Kouvre</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/04/talent-overload-in-appleton/comment-page-2/#comment-170366</link>
		<dc:creator>Kouvre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re anywhere near a Midwest League city, you want to make sure to make it to the ballpark when the T-Rats roll into town. The next wave of talent headed towards Seattle will be on full display.&quot;

I live right near where the Quad City Swing play, so I&#039;ll definitely have to check these boys out when they roll into town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re anywhere near a Midwest League city, you want to make sure to make it to the ballpark when the T-Rats roll into town. The next wave of talent headed towards Seattle will be on full display.&#8221;</p>
<p>I live right near where the Quad City Swing play, so I&#8217;ll definitely have to check these boys out when they roll into town.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Going all the way back to post 7, are you saying Liddi has a higher ceiling as a hitter than Halman?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Going all the way back to post 7, are you saying Liddi has a higher ceiling as a hitter than Halman?</p>
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		<title>By: JMB</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/04/talent-overload-in-appleton/comment-page-2/#comment-170354</link>
		<dc:creator>JMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, no more talk of those three drafts. It makes me ill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, no more talk of those three drafts. It makes me ill.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It got us 90+ wins a season and a shot at post-season play every year Gillick was in Seattle. The same cannot be said for Bavasi.&lt;/em&gt;

It also got us 2004 to 2006.  Gillick burned any chances this team had to contend on his way out the door.

&lt;em&gt;Adam Jones, a compensatory pick, didn’t turn out too shabby. Non-first round picks Feierabend, O’Flaherty, and Livingston all have good chances to become big leaguers.&lt;/em&gt;

Jones worked out, but given the amount of extraordinarily risky picks, it was inevitable that one of them would.  Feierabend is a solid, unspectacular prospect, the kind that every organization drafts every year.  O&#039;Flaherty is a LOOGY, and Livingston&#039;s not a major league player.  So we&#039;ve got two and a half good picks.  

Contrast that with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2002.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the worst draft of all time&lt;/a&gt;.  The only major league player we selected in 2002 was T.J. Bohn, who isn&#039;t really a major leaguer.  Well, we also drafted Travis Buck, but didn&#039;t sign him.  But good luck finding a worse top ten than Mayberry (not signed), Womack, Martinez-Esteve (not signed), Frye, Bergdall, Cate, Bastida-Martinez, Perry, Forbes, and Stitt.  They basically lit money on fire.  

Of course, that draft was only slightly worse than &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2001.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; in terms of talent added, but is arguably a bigger wasted opportunity since the club had two compensatory picks for losing A-Rod.  Garciaparra, Rivera, Wilson, Abreu, Merritt, Livingston, Cole, Ockerman, Axford, Ellena, Blood, and Hintz in the first ten rounds.  

Those drafts suck.  So did &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2000.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the 2000 draft&lt;/a&gt;, where the best player we took was Chip Ambres.  Of course, they forfeited their first three draft picks that year, so Mattox gets a bit of a pass for this clunker.  

That&#039;s a three year run where the M&#039;s just completely whiffed on the draft.  They didn&#039;t get one ounce of value out of 150 selections over a three year period.  That kind of ineptitude is remarkable.  

&lt;em&gt;It’s well documented Gillick clashed with the meddling Chuck Armstrong, and still had success.&lt;/em&gt;

He mortgaged the franchise&#039;s future to win while he was in charge, then left it to others to clean up his mess.  What a hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It got us 90+ wins a season and a shot at post-season play every year Gillick was in Seattle. The same cannot be said for Bavasi.</em></p>
<p>It also got us 2004 to 2006.  Gillick burned any chances this team had to contend on his way out the door.</p>
<p><em>Adam Jones, a compensatory pick, didn’t turn out too shabby. Non-first round picks Feierabend, O’Flaherty, and Livingston all have good chances to become big leaguers.</em></p>
<p>Jones worked out, but given the amount of extraordinarily risky picks, it was inevitable that one of them would.  Feierabend is a solid, unspectacular prospect, the kind that every organization drafts every year.  O&#8217;Flaherty is a LOOGY, and Livingston&#8217;s not a major league player.  So we&#8217;ve got two and a half good picks.  </p>
<p>Contrast that with <a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2002.shtml" rel="nofollow">the worst draft of all time</a>.  The only major league player we selected in 2002 was T.J. Bohn, who isn&#8217;t really a major leaguer.  Well, we also drafted Travis Buck, but didn&#8217;t sign him.  But good luck finding a worse top ten than Mayberry (not signed), Womack, Martinez-Esteve (not signed), Frye, Bergdall, Cate, Bastida-Martinez, Perry, Forbes, and Stitt.  They basically lit money on fire.  </p>
<p>Of course, that draft was only slightly worse than <a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2001.shtml" rel="nofollow">this one</a> in terms of talent added, but is arguably a bigger wasted opportunity since the club had two compensatory picks for losing A-Rod.  Garciaparra, Rivera, Wilson, Abreu, Merritt, Livingston, Cole, Ockerman, Axford, Ellena, Blood, and Hintz in the first ten rounds.  </p>
<p>Those drafts suck.  So did <a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/teams/draft/seattle-mariners-2000.shtml" rel="nofollow">the 2000 draft</a>, where the best player we took was Chip Ambres.  Of course, they forfeited their first three draft picks that year, so Mattox gets a bit of a pass for this clunker.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a three year run where the M&#8217;s just completely whiffed on the draft.  They didn&#8217;t get one ounce of value out of 150 selections over a three year period.  That kind of ineptitude is remarkable.  </p>
<p><em>It’s well documented Gillick clashed with the meddling Chuck Armstrong, and still had success.</em></p>
<p>He mortgaged the franchise&#8217;s future to win while he was in charge, then left it to others to clean up his mess.  What a hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#57: I&#039;m with you.  Too much Gillick bashing, too much Bavasi love.  They were just good at different things, and one of them (Gillick) is not very personable while the other one (Bavasi) is.  Personable gets too much play for him here.  Is the goal of the GM to a) get the big club into the playoffs?  b) ensure steady stream of talent in the farm system, c) both.  It&#039;s c, of course, and it&#039;s all about striking a balance between the two.  Our approach is clearly unbalanced; small market teams like the As and the Twins who are manging to do both to some degree, successfully year in and year out, are forced to have the right balance by circumstances.  Maybe throwing LESS money at the big league roster would have forced this organization to pull it&#039;s head out of its&#039; ass and try to come up with an approach to achieving the right balance, instead of swinging back and forth on the pendulum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#57: I&#8217;m with you.  Too much Gillick bashing, too much Bavasi love.  They were just good at different things, and one of them (Gillick) is not very personable while the other one (Bavasi) is.  Personable gets too much play for him here.  Is the goal of the GM to a) get the big club into the playoffs?  b) ensure steady stream of talent in the farm system, c) both.  It&#8217;s c, of course, and it&#8217;s all about striking a balance between the two.  Our approach is clearly unbalanced; small market teams like the As and the Twins who are manging to do both to some degree, successfully year in and year out, are forced to have the right balance by circumstances.  Maybe throwing LESS money at the big league roster would have forced this organization to pull it&#8217;s head out of its&#8217; ass and try to come up with an approach to achieving the right balance, instead of swinging back and forth on the pendulum.</p>
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		<title>By: vitalogist</title>
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		<dc:creator>vitalogist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as there&#039;s threadjacking going on...

hey you guys made deadspin!

http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/f+rod-is-a-big-fan-of-the-bottom-of-his-cap-249601.php

for those that don&#039;t already know, deadspin is like the highest traffic blog on the net, and an extremely witty, unbiased source of uncensored sports news - an anti-espn.  this is a big deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as there&#8217;s threadjacking going on&#8230;</p>
<p>hey you guys made deadspin!</p>
<p><a href="http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/f+rod-is-a-big-fan-of-the-bottom-of-his-cap-249601.php" rel="nofollow">http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/f+rod-is-a-big-fan-of-the-bottom-of-his-cap-249601.php</a></p>
<p>for those that don&#8217;t already know, deadspin is like the highest traffic blog on the net, and an extremely witty, unbiased source of uncensored sports news &#8211; an anti-espn.  this is a big deal!</p>
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		<title>By: Calderon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calderon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Good point, PP, but think how flush the whole Mariners organization would have been today if he would have put a few million more per year into American talent and the draft&lt;/em&gt;

Blame Chuck Armstrong for that. One of his many hats is possessing the club&#039;s financial keys.

Why else would a good Scouting Director pass up better arms than Brandon Morrow in last year&#039;s draft? Like Lincecum, and Miller. They allegedly scared off the team with high signing bonuses. Yet the team didn&#039;t hesitate to bid $10-$13 million on Kei Igawa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Good point, PP, but think how flush the whole Mariners organization would have been today if he would have put a few million more per year into American talent and the draft</em></p>
<p>Blame Chuck Armstrong for that. One of his many hats is possessing the club&#8217;s financial keys.</p>
<p>Why else would a good Scouting Director pass up better arms than Brandon Morrow in last year&#8217;s draft? Like Lincecum, and Miller. They allegedly scared off the team with high signing bonuses. Yet the team didn&#8217;t hesitate to bid $10-$13 million on Kei Igawa.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that Yuni got an extension today. Any word on the numbers? Any opinions of it from Dave or Derek?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that Yuni got an extension today. Any word on the numbers? Any opinions of it from Dave or Derek?</p>
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