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		<title>By: earinc</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/06/game-4-mariners-at-indians/comment-page-6/#comment-170857</link>
		<dc:creator>earinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this whole thread and the entire Lookout Landing thread, and I&#039;ll I can add is, Mike Hargrove on Friday pulled off the single greatest rehabilitation act in MLB history. I bet he gets a standing ovation when the M&#039;s come home. Now, I firmly believe that Grover is a terrible manager, but good lord, how can you not love the way Cleveland fans are treating this as the most Machiavellian baseball move since Shoeless Joe threw the WS? The idea that I could be cheering for Hargrove right now, even for one game, was anathema as recently as Friday morning. But what the hell, until Vidro goes 1 for 4 with runners on scoring position on Sunday, my hat&#039;s off to him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this whole thread and the entire Lookout Landing thread, and I&#8217;ll I can add is, Mike Hargrove on Friday pulled off the single greatest rehabilitation act in MLB history. I bet he gets a standing ovation when the M&#8217;s come home. Now, I firmly believe that Grover is a terrible manager, but good lord, how can you not love the way Cleveland fans are treating this as the most Machiavellian baseball move since Shoeless Joe threw the WS? The idea that I could be cheering for Hargrove right now, even for one game, was anathema as recently as Friday morning. But what the hell, until Vidro goes 1 for 4 with runners on scoring position on Sunday, my hat&#8217;s off to him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David J. Corcoran I</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J. Corcoran I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sizzler. Yum.</description>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>255.  I wonder why it matters whether or not a no-hitter is &#039;official.&#039;  Do pitchers get a gold watch and 10 free dinners at Sizzler from MLB if they toss an &#039;official&#039; no-no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>255.  I wonder why it matters whether or not a no-hitter is &#8216;official.&#8217;  Do pitchers get a gold watch and 10 free dinners at Sizzler from MLB if they toss an &#8216;official&#8217; no-no?</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 07:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidences I do not believe in.

I just got through reading &quot;Delaying the Game for Fun and Profit&quot;... and... Hargrove earned himself a footnote in any future editions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidences I do not believe in.</p>
<p>I just got through reading &#8220;Delaying the Game for Fun and Profit&#8221;&#8230; and&#8230; Hargrove earned himself a footnote in any future editions.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I remember the rule changes, in order to have a no-hitter, you have to finish with a win with at least nine innings pitched and no hits. In the old Baseball Encyclopedia, games like Melido Perez&#039; 5-inning no-hitter, Harvey Haddix&#039; 12 1/3 innings of perfect ball, and Andy Hawkins&#039; 4 run, 0 hit loss were listed under &quot;Other Notable No-Hit Performances&quot; or something like that.

While I love baseballreference.com, there was something to be said about the heft and scale of the Baseball Encyclopedia. The last edition was about 50% larger than the Seattle white pages. Total Baseball, which replaced it before the internets usurped Total Baseball, was even larger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I remember the rule changes, in order to have a no-hitter, you have to finish with a win with at least nine innings pitched and no hits. In the old Baseball Encyclopedia, games like Melido Perez&#8217; 5-inning no-hitter, Harvey Haddix&#8217; 12 1/3 innings of perfect ball, and Andy Hawkins&#8217; 4 run, 0 hit loss were listed under &#8220;Other Notable No-Hit Performances&#8221; or something like that.</p>
<p>While I love baseballreference.com, there was something to be said about the heft and scale of the Baseball Encyclopedia. The last edition was about 50% larger than the Seattle white pages. Total Baseball, which replaced it before the internets usurped Total Baseball, was even larger.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;d tell anyone if I was thinking about Jeff Weaver in the shower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d tell anyone if I was thinking about Jeff Weaver in the shower.</p>
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		<title>By: shortbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>shortbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in the shower when it came to me: Not skipping Weaver is a Good Thing.  Letting Weaver pitch means that the King will get a couple fewer starts this year.  Bad for wins this year...good for wins next year and every year after.  If by some miracle we still end up in a pennant race we might not feel so badly about the King being our &quot;go-to guy&quot; if he isn&#039;t way over the 200 IP mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the shower when it came to me: Not skipping Weaver is a Good Thing.  Letting Weaver pitch means that the King will get a couple fewer starts this year.  Bad for wins this year&#8230;good for wins next year and every year after.  If by some miracle we still end up in a pennant race we might not feel so badly about the King being our &#8220;go-to guy&#8221; if he isn&#8217;t way over the 200 IP mark.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if both games will get played tomorrow.

I wonder what this means for the rotation. With Hargrove&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;fawning&lt;/strong&gt; over Jeff Weaver being his last starter he said (coming into the season) they wouldn&#039;t skip any starters, even when the schedule would suggest passing over the # 5 arm.

I was really counting on seeing &lt;em&gt;King Felix&lt;/em&gt; pitch (in person) on April 29th (what would be my first game at Safeco this season), and then opening the series with the &lt;em&gt;Bombers&lt;/em&gt; in May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if both games will get played tomorrow.</p>
<p>I wonder what this means for the rotation. With Hargrove&#8217;s <strong>fawning</strong> over Jeff Weaver being his last starter he said (coming into the season) they wouldn&#8217;t skip any starters, even when the schedule would suggest passing over the # 5 arm.</p>
<p>I was really counting on seeing <em>King Felix</em> pitch (in person) on April 29th (what would be my first game at Safeco this season), and then opening the series with the <em>Bombers</em> in May.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to trust Wikipedia.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/B10010BOS2006.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; game last year was the last game of the season between the Red Sox and Orioles, a meaningless one. Devern Hansack threw five no-hit innings and the game was called early due to a monsoon.

There&#039;s no record book worth reading that says Devern Hansack has pitched a no hitter. &lt;a href=&quot;http://mlb.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20061001&amp;content_id=1693280&amp;vkey=recap&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=bos&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mlb.com&lt;/a&gt; says: &lt;i&gt;There was a time when the effort would have been considered a no-hitter, as Hansack became just the ninth pitcher in Major League history to give up no hits in fewer than nine innings. But after Melido Perez did it with a six-inning &quot;no-hitter&quot; against the Yankees in New York in 1990, the rules were changed (in September 1991), thus wiping out some 50 such efforts. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to trust Wikipedia.</p>
<p><a href="http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/B10010BOS2006.htm" rel="nofollow">This</a> game last year was the last game of the season between the Red Sox and Orioles, a meaningless one. Devern Hansack threw five no-hit innings and the game was called early due to a monsoon.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no record book worth reading that says Devern Hansack has pitched a no hitter. <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20061001&amp;content_id=1693280&amp;vkey=recap&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=bos" rel="nofollow">mlb.com</a> says: <i>There was a time when the effort would have been considered a no-hitter, as Hansack became just the ninth pitcher in Major League history to give up no hits in fewer than nine innings. But after Melido Perez did it with a six-inning &#8220;no-hitter&#8221; against the Yankees in New York in 1990, the rules were changed (in September 1991), thus wiping out some 50 such efforts. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>253: or Harvey Haddix, who pitched a twelve inning perfect game in 1959... and still lost.  And we think the M&#039;s are bad at run support.

You know, while I was looking that up, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#Pitched_a_no-hitter_and_lost&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;After an unprecedented nine no-hitters in 1990, and on the way to eight in 1991, including one in regulation broken up in extra innings, one ended early because of weather, and one where the losing pitcher gave up no hits, but errors caused the team to lose, and the home side did not have to bat, Major League Baseball changed the rules so that only no-hit games of nine or more full innings ending with no hits are officially recognized. No-hitters and perfect games that go into extra innings because the score is tied at the end of regulation play (including 0-0 ties) are only recognized if the game finishes without it being broken up. Rain-shortened &quot;official game&quot; no-hitters are also no longer recognized (though they always had an &quot;asterisk&quot; in the record books). &lt;/blockquote&gt;Now that&#039;s Wikipedia, not always a bastion of accuracy, but I&#039;m not sure where the offical rules about records are kept (as opposed to rules about how the games are played), so I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s a definitive answer to the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>253: or Harvey Haddix, who pitched a twelve inning perfect game in 1959&#8230; and still lost.  And we think the M&#8217;s are bad at run support.</p>
<p>You know, while I was looking that up, I found <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#Pitched_a_no-hitter_and_lost" rel="nofollow">this</a><br />
<blockquote>After an unprecedented nine no-hitters in 1990, and on the way to eight in 1991, including one in regulation broken up in extra innings, one ended early because of weather, and one where the losing pitcher gave up no hits, but errors caused the team to lose, and the home side did not have to bat, Major League Baseball changed the rules so that only no-hit games of nine or more full innings ending with no hits are officially recognized. No-hitters and perfect games that go into extra innings because the score is tied at the end of regulation play (including 0-0 ties) are only recognized if the game finishes without it being broken up. Rain-shortened &#8220;official game&#8221; no-hitters are also no longer recognized (though they always had an &#8220;asterisk&#8221; in the record books). </p></blockquote>
<p>Now that&#8217;s Wikipedia, not always a bastion of accuracy, but I&#8217;m not sure where the offical rules about records are kept (as opposed to rules about how the games are played), so I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s a definitive answer to the question.</p>
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