Comments on: We don’t even get a day off to recover http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:54:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-2/#comment-175986 terry Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:00:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175986 If all it will take to get rid of Hargrove if just a few more losses, here's a haiku: Cloud's silver lining Lose 4 more show Mike the door Be sure make it 5 If all it will take to get rid of Hargrove if just a few more losses, here’s a haiku:

Cloud’s silver lining
Lose 4 more show Mike the door
Be sure make it 5

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175958 DMZ Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:12:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175958 Oh, thanks, I needed a good laugh. Oh, thanks, I needed a good laugh.

]]> By: doededoe http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175957 doededoe Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:09:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175957 Line-up needs a shake up. I know Hargrove won't, so I will 1-CF-Ichiro 2-SS-Lopez 3-LF-Ibanez 4-1B-Sexson 5-DH-Broussard 6-RF-Guillen 7-2B-Vidro 8-C-Johjima 9-3B-Beltre I realize we are giving up some D, but the line-up would produce more. Line-up needs a shake up. I know Hargrove won’t, so I will
1-CF-Ichiro
2-SS-Lopez
3-LF-Ibanez
4-1B-Sexson
5-DH-Broussard
6-RF-Guillen
7-2B-Vidro
8-C-Johjima
9-3B-Beltre

I realize we are giving up some D, but the line-up would produce more.

]]> By: don52656 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175955 don52656 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:02:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175955 OK, analyzing the trades listed above....in return for Carlos Guillen, Freddy Garcia, Randy Winn, Matt Thornton, Eddie Guardado, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Soriano, Chris Snelling, Bret Boone, et.al., here's what the M's currently have to show: On the current major league roster: Ben Broussard, Sean White, Horacio Ramirez, Jose Vidro, Jason Ellison. Still in the minor league system but on the 40-man roster: Jeremy Reed, Mike Morse, Jon Huber, Sean Green. Minor leagues but not on the 40-man roster: Andy Baldwin, Andrew Barb. Bavasi has had better success with free agent hitters, as he has signed Ibanez, Sexson, Beltre, Johjima, and JGuillen. Of course, he also signed Speizio, Aurilia, Everett, Reese, Lawton, and Petagine, so he's batting about 50% here, although most of the failures have not been costly, salary-wise. Interestingly, for a supposedly pitching friendly ballpark, his only free agent pitchers are Hasegawa (ok), Campillo (non-factor), Reitsma, and Weaver. Of course, free agent pitching is awfully expensive these days. I sure hope he's done a fantastic job with the minor league system, because I'd give him very poor marks in his trading ability, and just passing marks in free agent signings. OK, analyzing the trades listed above….in return for Carlos Guillen, Freddy Garcia, Randy Winn, Matt Thornton, Eddie Guardado, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Soriano, Chris Snelling, Bret Boone, et.al., here’s what the M’s currently have to show:

On the current major league roster: Ben Broussard, Sean White, Horacio Ramirez, Jose Vidro, Jason Ellison.
Still in the minor league system but on the 40-man roster: Jeremy Reed, Mike Morse, Jon Huber, Sean Green.
Minor leagues but not on the 40-man roster: Andy Baldwin, Andrew Barb.

Bavasi has had better success with free agent hitters, as he has signed Ibanez, Sexson, Beltre, Johjima, and JGuillen. Of course, he also signed Speizio, Aurilia, Everett, Reese, Lawton, and Petagine, so he’s batting about 50% here, although most of the failures have not been costly, salary-wise. Interestingly, for a supposedly pitching friendly ballpark, his only free agent pitchers are Hasegawa (ok), Campillo (non-factor), Reitsma, and Weaver. Of course, free agent pitching is awfully expensive these days.

I sure hope he’s done a fantastic job with the minor league system, because I’d give him very poor marks in his trading ability, and just passing marks in free agent signings.

]]> By: don52656 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175939 don52656 Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:38:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175939 Bill Bavasi was hired on 11/7/03. Here are the trades/free agent signings made since then: 11/19/03: signed Raul Ibanez as a free agent 12/7/03: signed Shigetoshi Hasegawa as a free agent 12/15/03: traded Greg Colbrunn to Arizona for Quinton McCracken 12/17/03: signed Scott Spiezio as a free agent 1/6/04: traded Jeff Cirillo/Brian Sweeney to Padres for Kevin Jarvis/Dave Hanses/Wiki Gonzalez/Vince Faison 1/8/04: signed Rich Aurilia as a free agent 1/8/04: traded Carlos Guillen to Tigers for Ramon Santiago/Juan Gonzalez (the minor league SS) 4/3/04: traded Aaron Looper/Ryan Ketchner to Dodgers for Jolbert Cabrera 4/12/04: traded Glenn Bott to Dodgers to re-acquire Aaron Looper 4/13/04: traded Terry Mulholland to Twins for cash 6/27/04: traded Freddy Garcia/Ben Davis to White Sox for Jeremy Reed/Miguel Olivo/Michael Morse 7/19/04: traded Rich Aurilia to Giants for cash or player to be named later 7/30/04: traded Dave Hansen to Padres for Jon Huber 8/6/04: traded Mike Myers to Red Sox for cash/PTBNL 8/31/04: traded Pat Borders to Twins for minor leaguer BJ Garbe 10/4/04: Bob Melvin "released" from contract 10/20/04: Mike Hargrove named manager (3-year contract) 11/19/04: Traded Randy Williams (P) to Padres for minor league IF Billy Hogan 12/15/04: signed Richie Sexson as a free agent 12/17/04: signed Adrian Beltre as a free agent 12/20/04: traded Aaron Taylor (P) to Rockies for P Sean Green 1/5/05: signed Pokie Reese as a free agent 3/3/05: signed Jorge Campillo as a free agent 7/11/05: traded Bret Boone and cash to Twins for a PTBNL 7/30/05: traded Randy Winn to Giants for Jesse Foppert/Yorvit Torrealba 7/30/05: traded Miguel Olivo to Padres for Natanael Mateo (P) and Miguel Ojeda 7/31/05: traded Ron Villone to Marlins for Yorman Bazardo/Mike Flannery (both P) 11/22/05: signed Kenji Johjima as a free agent 12/7/05: traded Yorvit Torrealba to Rockies for a PTBNL (who turned out to be P Marcos Carvajal) 12/20/05: claimed Jake Woods from the Angels 1/4/06: signed Carl Everett as a free agent 1/11/06: signed Matt Lawton as a free agent 2/21/06: signed Roberto Petagine as a free agent 3/20/06: traded Matt Thornton to White Sox for Joe Borchard 3/30/06: traded Cody Ranson (IF) to Astros for cash 4/6/06: traded Marcos Carvajal to Devil Rays for P Jose DeLaCruz 5/3/06: Joe Borchard claimed off of waivers by Marlins 7/6/06: traded Eddie Guardado to Red for Travis Chick 7/26/06: traded Shin-Soo Choo/Shawn Nottingham to Indians for Ben Broussard 8/19/06: traded Jamie Moyer to Phillies for Andrew Baldwin/Andrew Barb 10/11/06: Francisco Cruceta claimed by Rangers 12/4/06: signed Jose Guillen as a free agent 12/7/06: acquired Sean White from Pirates for cash 12/7/06: traded Rafael Soriano to Braves for Horacio Ramirez 12/18/06: traded Chris Snelling/Emiliano Fruto to Nationals for Jose Vidro 1/5/07: signed Chris Reitsma as a free agent 1/29/07: signed Jeff Weaver as a free agent 2/7/07: traded P yorman Barzado to Tigers for OF Jeff Frazier 4/1/07: traded Travis Blackley to Giants for Jason Ellison Bill Bavasi was hired on 11/7/03. Here are the trades/free agent signings made since then:

11/19/03: signed Raul Ibanez as a free agent
12/7/03: signed Shigetoshi Hasegawa as a free agent
12/15/03: traded Greg Colbrunn to Arizona for Quinton McCracken
12/17/03: signed Scott Spiezio as a free agent
1/6/04: traded Jeff Cirillo/Brian Sweeney to Padres for Kevin Jarvis/Dave Hanses/Wiki Gonzalez/Vince Faison
1/8/04: signed Rich Aurilia as a free agent
1/8/04: traded Carlos Guillen to Tigers for Ramon Santiago/Juan Gonzalez (the minor league SS)
4/3/04: traded Aaron Looper/Ryan Ketchner to Dodgers for Jolbert Cabrera
4/12/04: traded Glenn Bott to Dodgers to re-acquire Aaron Looper
4/13/04: traded Terry Mulholland to Twins for cash
6/27/04: traded Freddy Garcia/Ben Davis to White Sox for Jeremy Reed/Miguel Olivo/Michael Morse
7/19/04: traded Rich Aurilia to Giants for cash or player to be named later
7/30/04: traded Dave Hansen to Padres for Jon Huber
8/6/04: traded Mike Myers to Red Sox for cash/PTBNL
8/31/04: traded Pat Borders to Twins for minor leaguer BJ Garbe
10/4/04: Bob Melvin “released” from contract
10/20/04: Mike Hargrove named manager (3-year contract)
11/19/04: Traded Randy Williams (P) to Padres for minor league IF Billy Hogan
12/15/04: signed Richie Sexson as a free agent
12/17/04: signed Adrian Beltre as a free agent
12/20/04: traded Aaron Taylor (P) to Rockies for P Sean Green
1/5/05: signed Pokie Reese as a free agent
3/3/05: signed Jorge Campillo as a free agent
7/11/05: traded Bret Boone and cash to Twins for a PTBNL
7/30/05: traded Randy Winn to Giants for Jesse Foppert/Yorvit Torrealba
7/30/05: traded Miguel Olivo to Padres for Natanael Mateo (P) and Miguel Ojeda
7/31/05: traded Ron Villone to Marlins for Yorman Bazardo/Mike Flannery (both P)
11/22/05: signed Kenji Johjima as a free agent
12/7/05: traded Yorvit Torrealba to Rockies for a PTBNL (who turned out to be P Marcos Carvajal)
12/20/05: claimed Jake Woods from the Angels
1/4/06: signed Carl Everett as a free agent
1/11/06: signed Matt Lawton as a free agent
2/21/06: signed Roberto Petagine as a free agent
3/20/06: traded Matt Thornton to White Sox for Joe Borchard
3/30/06: traded Cody Ranson (IF) to Astros for cash
4/6/06: traded Marcos Carvajal to Devil Rays for P Jose DeLaCruz
5/3/06: Joe Borchard claimed off of waivers by Marlins
7/6/06: traded Eddie Guardado to Red for Travis Chick
7/26/06: traded Shin-Soo Choo/Shawn Nottingham to Indians for Ben Broussard
8/19/06: traded Jamie Moyer to Phillies for Andrew Baldwin/Andrew Barb
10/11/06: Francisco Cruceta claimed by Rangers
12/4/06: signed Jose Guillen as a free agent
12/7/06: acquired Sean White from Pirates for cash
12/7/06: traded Rafael Soriano to Braves for Horacio Ramirez
12/18/06: traded Chris Snelling/Emiliano Fruto to Nationals for Jose Vidro
1/5/07: signed Chris Reitsma as a free agent
1/29/07: signed Jeff Weaver as a free agent
2/7/07: traded P yorman Barzado to Tigers for OF Jeff Frazier
4/1/07: traded Travis Blackley to Giants for Jason Ellison

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175931 msb Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:25:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175931 #45-- fwiw, he has left it on the blog, and he has said specifically that is was all speculative, based on things he has been told "Again, just to repeat, this is just the word going around. Do not treat it as gospel. " and <a href="http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2007/04/felix_to_dl.html" rel="nofollow">Baker</a> says Felix is officially on the DL now #45– fwiw, he has left it on the blog, and he has said specifically that is was all speculative, based on things he has been told “Again, just to repeat, this is just the word going around. Do not treat it as gospel. ”

and Baker says Felix is officially on the DL now

]]> By: Nuss http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175925 Nuss Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:18:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175925 Baker's writing seems to have more to them than a "hunch" quality. Although it does make me wonder, when no one else is even sniffing this story yet, beyond saying they're on the hot seat ... Baker’s writing seems to have more to them than a “hunch” quality. Although it does make me wonder, when no one else is even sniffing this story yet, beyond saying they’re on the hot seat …

]]> By: Karen http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175921 Karen Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:12:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175921 I suspect after reading in #20 what Steve Phillips said in his chat, I have a feeling that he's #1 on the Mariners' short list of GM candidates to follow Bavasi, who'll merely move on to an advisory role like Gillick did. I hope I'm wrong, I really do... I suspect after reading in #20 what Steve Phillips said in his chat, I have a feeling that he’s #1 on the Mariners’ short list of GM candidates to follow Bavasi, who’ll merely move on to an advisory role like Gillick did.

I hope I’m wrong, I really do…

]]> By: JMHawkins http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175920 JMHawkins Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:12:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175920 Felix and Wash, then three for the Loss. Column, that is. Felix and Wash, then three for the Loss.

Column, that is.

]]> By: Evan http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/comment-page-1/#comment-175912 Evan Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:04:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/23/we-dont-even-get-a-day-off-to-recover/#comment-175912 <blockquote>#20 I do feel the Ms still have a shot.</blockquote> Only one team in the division has a positive run differential. So, if you think we could have a positive run differential, we're still right in this thing. But first you have to think we could have a positive run differential.

#20 I do feel the Ms still have a shot.

Only one team in the division has a positive run differential.

So, if you think we could have a positive run differential, we’re still right in this thing.

But first you have to think we could have a positive run differential.

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