Comments on: Game 17, Mariners at A’s http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:32:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Lauren, token chick http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177454 Lauren, token chick Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:41:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177454 Some might argue that the firing of Bavasi and/or Hargrove equals a strong upward trend. Some might argue that the firing of Bavasi and/or Hargrove equals a strong upward trend.

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177443 gwangung Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:53:02 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177443 <blockquote>270: But do you think that Ichiro’s assessment of the team’s future prospects is really tied solely to this year’s results? My mental picture of Ichiro gives him more smarts than that. </blockquote> Oh, certainly. That's why I said that if there was a strong upward trend (90 wins or a division championship), he'd probably stay. Strong upward trend with strongly performing rookies on the way means better chance to compete. If the team scuffles or stays at .500, he has to ask himself if this team is going to turn around soon. He doesn't have all the time in the world; he has to compete to win in the very near future. If the Ms can't do it in the next year (a division championship or 90 wins would show that they can), he almost has to look elsewhere.

270: But do you think that Ichiro’s assessment of the team’s future prospects is really tied solely to this year’s results? My mental picture of Ichiro gives him more smarts than that.

Oh, certainly. That’s why I said that if there was a strong upward trend (90 wins or a division championship), he’d probably stay. Strong upward trend with strongly performing rookies on the way means better chance to compete.

If the team scuffles or stays at .500, he has to ask himself if this team is going to turn around soon. He doesn’t have all the time in the world; he has to compete to win in the very near future. If the Ms can’t do it in the next year (a division championship or 90 wins would show that they can), he almost has to look elsewhere.

]]> By: scraps http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177441 scraps Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:51:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177441 fun, not fan. sigh. fun, not fan. sigh.

]]> By: scraps http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177440 scraps Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:50:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177440 He can likely get a better chance at winning <i>and</i> more money somewhere else. What if Boston does throw a boatload of money at him? I'm pretty much resigned to his departure. I sure would love to be surprised. Even if we objectively overpay for him. At his best, he's been the most fan to watch of any Mariner ever, IMO. He can likely get a better chance at winning and more money somewhere else. What if Boston does throw a boatload of money at him? I’m pretty much resigned to his departure. I sure would love to be surprised. Even if we objectively overpay for him. At his best, he’s been the most fan to watch of any Mariner ever, IMO.

]]> By: Lauren, token chick http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177429 Lauren, token chick Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:30:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177429 270: But do you think that Ichiro's assessment of the team's future prospects is really tied solely to this year's results? My mental picture of Ichiro gives him more smarts than that. 270: But do you think that Ichiro’s assessment of the team’s future prospects is really tied solely to this year’s results? My mental picture of Ichiro gives him more smarts than that.

]]> By: Nuss http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177414 Nuss Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:22:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177414 That's too funny. That’s too funny.

]]> By: Gabriel http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177401 Gabriel Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:33:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177401 It seems that <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/313387_mari27.html" rel="nofollow">Washburn won this game</a> too. It seems that Washburn won this game too.

]]> By: Nuss http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177400 Nuss Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:16:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177400 <em>However, my agreement is not necessarily of how Hargrove will use him, courtesy Geoff Baker:</em> Wow, that was awkward. How about this: "However, Hargrove doesn't." However, my agreement is not necessarily of how Hargrove will use him, courtesy Geoff Baker:

Wow, that was awkward. How about this:

“However, Hargrove doesn’t.”

]]> By: Nuss http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177399 Nuss Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:14:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177399 242: I completely, absolutely, 100 percent agree. However, my agreement is not necessarily of how Hargrove will use him, courtesy Geoff Baker: <blockquote>Hargrove said that, despite Morrow's struggles in that eighth, he'd keep using Morrow there from time to time. "I'd like to use him more in that (role),'' he said. "Reitsma and Morrow for me right now are really interchangeable in that role.''</blockquote> 242: I completely, absolutely, 100 percent agree.

However, my agreement is not necessarily of how Hargrove will use him, courtesy Geoff Baker:

Hargrove said that, despite Morrow’s struggles in that eighth, he’d keep using Morrow there from time to time.

“I’d like to use him more in that (role),” he said. “Reitsma and Morrow for me right now are really interchangeable in that role.”

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/comment-page-6/#comment-177397 gwangung Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:04:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/04/26/game-17-mariners-at-as/#comment-177397 <blockquote>What I’m wondering is whether Bavasi and Hargrove getting the axe earlier improves the chances of Ichiro staying around. </blockquote> Not unless they win 90. I don't think money is (or will be) the main object for him. A championship is. And the only way he's staying in Seattle is if he sees a substantial step step forward. A division championship might do it...by definition--since you can't play for a championship if you don't get into the playoffs. And, since a championship or 90 wins means a team on the rise (AND would mean Seattle would have the resources to pay him), he sure as heck wouldn't leave.

What I’m wondering is whether Bavasi and Hargrove getting the axe earlier improves the chances of Ichiro staying around.

Not unless they win 90.

I don’t think money is (or will be) the main object for him. A championship is. And the only way he’s staying in Seattle is if he sees a substantial step step forward.

A division championship might do it…by definition–since you can’t play for a championship if you don’t get into the playoffs. And, since a championship or 90 wins means a team on the rise (AND would mean Seattle would have the resources to pay him), he sure as heck wouldn’t leave.

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