Game 22, White Sox at Mariners
Dave · May 2, 2007 at 12:07 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Danks vs Batista, 12:35 pm.
If you haven’t heard yet, Felix’s scheduled start this weekend in NY has been postponed until next week. The M’s will throw Cha Seung Baek on Friday, Jeff Weaver on Saturday, and Jarrod Washburn on Sunday against the Yankees.
In other words, win today, because this weekend could be unbelievably ugly.
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I’ll call on this one: Saturday will be unbelievably ugly. The other two days will just be improbably cool if we win (but I wouldn’t be THAT surprised, cuz, well, the Yanks are highly beatable)
I read on LL that the change is giving him some problems. You have anything more specific than that Dave?
His arm isn’t 100%, and the last thing they wanted to do was send him into Yankee Stadium worried about his arm.
I am very surprised that Jeff Weaver is scheduled to make another start.
Obviously it’s a concern that his arm is not 100%, but what does this mean in the long term? Are they thinking he may need to go on the DL again? Or could it just have been from not pitching for a while?
They don’t know. It’s still sore, but there’s no structural damage, so beyond hoping it goes away, there’s not much they can do.
I am very surprised that Jeff Weaver is scheduled to make another start.
It’s all part of Fox’s “We need the Yankees to climb back into contention because we’re going to be showing their games every Saturday all summer regardless” plan. I wonder what the M’s get as compensation? Oh, right, they get to be on Fox this Saturday too, as Weaver gets the stuffing knocked out of him.
Yankee stadium may bring the Washburn bandwagon crashing to earth too.
Baker ran through the options on Monday; in case you care, Jim Moore is in the pro-Weaver camp
*sigh* Now I’m worried about the endless push back scenario.
if weaver gets shelled again, and chased, and hargrove doesn’t change anything, i think an intervention on hargrove wouldn’t be out of the question.
I’m not really sure what you guys would prefer to Weaver starting on Saturday. Sean White? Call up Feierabend from the majors? There aren’t any other good options here.
“I’m not really sure what you guys would prefer to Weaver starting on Saturday. ”
A real 5th starter.
hey, if he does well against the Yankees, think they are desperate enough to take him back?
Any of the starters in Tacoma would be better than what Weaver has done so far this year.
Was the last start some sort of strange aberration? I guess that is what the M’s are counting on.
11 – I would much rather have Sean White pitching than Weaver Saturday.
Weaver will be pitching for his job FOR SURE this time, and that will give him the worst kinds of butterflies. Also, it’s in New York on national TV, and he hasn’t shown an ounce of reason why he should be given another chance. Weaver will be shelled.
Sean White on the other hand has a chance of success based on the Yankees haven’t seen much of him, and he just plain doesn’t suck as much as Weaver.
Quite frankly, I’m actually leaning towards having Mateo get the start over Weaver. That’s how down I am on Weaver right now…
If Felix’s arm is less than 100%, he should be shut down. As for Weaver facing the Yankees, he will be battered. Then again, his ERA may still go down.
Dave, I know the M’s wont do this but I would prefer they send Morrow out to get some starting experience and bring Woods back up. Woods has been down long enough to recall him hasn’t he?
Dave,
Who takes Weaver’s place if he only last 1/3 of an inning?
Kenji is playing today. Last I heard there was doubt as to whether he’d be ready to go, with a sore back.
Who’s Joe, and what’s this “tracer” pitch he throws?
That would be me. And that would be telling.
Dave, I know the M’s wont do this but I would prefer they send Morrow out to get some starting experience and bring Woods back up. Woods has been down long enough to recall him hasn’t he?
Brandon Morrow’s not going to start this year, and frankly, I’ll be surprised if he ever starts a game again. He’s a reliever now.
Who takes Weaver’s place if he only last 1/3 of an inning?
White, Mateo, O’Flaherty, Sherrill, and Reitsma, probably in that order.
Not a good start, Erstad is now 7-8 against Batista.
Who takes Weaver’s place if he only last 1/3 of an inning?
Hmm. Jamie Burke???
Weaver’s not had a lot of success in Yankee stadium, even when he was a Yankee. Especially when he was a Yankee. The park might be in his head. And the bleacher bums will be in his ears — they must be rubbing their hands in glee anticipating this one.
I just looked it up — is it really possible Washburn has had only 3 starts at Yankee stadium? His line there is quite respectable (Weaver’s, uh, isn’t):
Washburn: 3HR / 3BB / 7K / 5ER in 21 IP
Weaver: 18HR / 29BB / 67K / 72ER in 119 IP
I’m not really sure what you guys would prefer to Weaver starting on Saturday. Sean White? Call up Feierabend from the majors? There aren’t any other good options here.
Rain! Or go to a graveyard and dig up Sain!
OK, a little macabre.
I’m going to the game Saturday and sitting in the left field bleachers. Hopefully my Felix shirt will inspire Jeff Weaver to pitch longer than 1/3 of an inning.
Brandon Morrow’s not going to start this year, and frankly, I’ll be surprised if he ever starts a game again. He’s a reliever now.
Sigh. Good thing the M’s spent a #5 draft pick on a guy they decided to turn into Mark Lowe.
28: I’ll be at Yankeee Stadium on the 10th to cheer (uh, right) the Bombers on against the Rangers. Just missing the M’s by a few days.
Turbo drew a walk! Be still my heart.
Weaver’s start in Yankee stadium could be really ugly. Before the game, any injured Yankee hitters will be fighting to get into the starting lineup.
Does Dye historically do better against the M’s than the rest of the league? Seems like it.
Dave, I know you are right about Morrow being a reliever now. I just want to say, “SAY IT AIN’T SO!!!!” I guess the bright side is that Morrow could be a very good reliever for a very long time….
Dave,
Your thinking that Morrow stays a reliever does not make me very optimistic about the new GM and manager the M’s plan on hiring. I would think a competent front office would convert him to starting, which leads me to believe we aren’t going to get a competent front office.
Jose!
Jose “Funk Missile” Guillen
Guillen smoked that ball.
To steal a line from Barkley last night “He’s my second favorite Jose. First being Cuervo.”
Morrow’s converting himself into a reliever. He’s already scrapped the slider (19 fastballs, 1 breaking ball last night), and is now adopting J.J’s “Get Angry, Throw Hard” approach to pitching. Even if the new management team wants to make him a starter, it will take a lot of undevelopment before they can even try to turn him back into one.
Jose!
Ball seems to be going out to right center today.
The wind is a little gusty. And like always, blowing from left to right. The two homers must have been more line drives than high flies?
Woah! That pitch wasn’t even close to a strike! At his shoetops.
as he had experience doing both in college, can we hope he already understands that they are two techniques/mindsets and so would lead the ‘undevelopment’ himself if converted back?
The wind is blowing out to left center, and yes, both were line drives. And just like that, the roof closes.
Dave,
I hadn’t thought of it that way. I just figured that since I realized that wasn’t the way to pitch when I was 12 (as much as my coaches yelled it) that a major leaguer would realize that throw harder = success is flawed. I sometimes give others too much credit though.
I do feel better knowing that you aren’t basing that on getting an incompetent front office.
39: Dye’s was a line drive. Guillen’s was a 439 foot fly ball.
as he had experience doing both in college, can we hope he already understands that they are two techniques/mindsets and so would lead the ‘undevelopment’ himself if converted back?
You would hope so, but Jonathan Papelbon doesn’t offer much hope.
Is today’s game on tv or is it radio only?
Dave…come on!!! The question should be…what other pitcher can the Mariners throw out there in Weaver’s place that would have an ERA below 10.00?? There have to be a dozen pitchers in Tacoma that could do better than that. Heck, call up Ryan Anderson and give him another shot.
wow, i am going to the game on saturday….this is terrible news
good thing the tickets are free (thank you employer!) if only the beers were free….
48 – visit a bar before you enter Safeco. That’s all the advice I can give to ya bud.
Does Dye historically do better against the M’s than the rest of the league? Seems like it.
Looking at the splits it doesn’t appear to be so; I think it was just his years on Oakland teams that tormented that M’s that makes it seem that way. He has a higher OPS against a bunch of teams including Oakland, the Angels, and Baltimore. His BA is higher vs the Yankees (and A’s, and a couple of others) than vs the M’s too. He does do better against the M’s than the Rangers, though, for some reason.
Today’s game is on FSN.
I think they are also going to replay it at 7 PM tonight, in case you want to watch it then.
Anyone looking for a “sure thing”…….bet the over on Weaver’s start in Yankee Stadium.
On the pregame show today Hargrove basically said “We want (Morrow) to be a starter.” He also said for this reason they talked for days and days about if it was smart to have him on the team. FWIW.
#49 – I’ll be visiting a bar in NYC (game is at Yankee Stadium)…..
the real question is, should I wear my Griffey jersey and subject myself to the ridicule (which will be immense given the M’s starter)?
46: It’s on FSN.
I definitely agree with the sentiment that converting Morrow to a relief pitcher is a waste of such a high draft choice, but given the Mariners’ history of 1st round draft picks, seeing Morrow make it to the show is at least somewhat refreshing.
I called it — and I still think the best thing they can do about it is make him a closer and sell high on Putz.
What’s wrong with bringing Campillo in to replace Weaver? Or Green or Woods or even Parque? They can’t be worse than Weaver and they certainly have a shot at being better! And all have MLB experience so it’s not like you’re throwing them to the lions!
Really, I’m scratching my head here why we continue roll out the Dream Weaver machine with his 18+ ERA. An 18 ERA is not a pretty number no matter how poor of a statistic it really is!
Did Beltre point to first base like that in 2004?
dammit. Rizzs just saw Li’l Joey. now we’ll have 1995 for the next inning +
Beltre…if you’re going to strike out, an 11 pitch at bat is the way to go!
61
Why? He fouled off ball four about 5 different times.
I kind of think Morrow’s going to be a reliever for as long as Hargrove’s job is on the line, but ultimately it’s going to depend on Morrow. Papelbon by himself is an anecdote, not data. It’s a pretty close comparable, but they’re not the same guy. If the M’s fall out of contention, the necessary people are fired, and the new regime sends Morrow down to “stretch out” or they send him off to winter ball and bring him back to spring training and the Rainiers — isn’t is possible? Does one season of relieving in the majors warp a pitcher for life? If Morrow really wants to be a starter, and is willing to put in the work and schlep his own gear in the minors because he’d rather be a starter in the majors eventually than a reliever today — really, can’t he do it? Has no one else done it?
Speaking of Weaver, can we convert him to relief and have him subscribe to the JJ Putz mantra? If he starts throwing 93-95 for short periods of time, isn’t that valuable? Or is it not poosible because:
a) he can’t throw that hard even throwing all-out
b) even if he does throw hard, his pitches have no movement
Dave, can you chime in?
Ball is flying outta here today. Hope Sexson gets some good wood on the ball a time or two.
He might be able to do it, but developing into a major league pitcher isn’t easy, and this just raised the degree of difficulty quite a bit.
Plus, you’re also asking a guy to go from making $360K a year while accruing service time towards free agency to be cool with going down to the minors, making $50K a year, and pushing his big paychecks back several years.
Kelvim Escobar shows it can be done. Dustin Hermanson is a cautionary tale.
I’ve got a Weaver-as-reliever post in the queue. It’ll probably go up Friday.
54 – I knew that. I was just testing you ;
#62 – If you’re going to strike out, at least make the pitcher work and raise his pitch count!
Plus, you’re also asking a guy to go from making $360K a year while accruing service time towards free agency to be cool with going down to the minors, making $50K a year, and pushing his big paychecks back several years.
Does that apply to him since he was a first round draft pick and got a $2 million signing bonus?
His agent’s still going to be in his ear talking to him about service time, arbitration, and free agency. For a young kid who may not understand how the system works (and a lot of players don’t), it wouldn’t be hard for him to feel like the organization could be attempting to delay his free agency by having him start in the minors.
This is all speculation, of course, but there are significant possible barriers to getting Morrow back in the rotation.
63, If they send Morrow down “to stretch him out” once Hargrove is gone, that won’t turn him into a starter. To be a starter he is going to have to learn how to pitch, and that would take more than a couple of months in the minors.
I really figured we’d tee off on this guy today. Leave it to the Mariners to find a way to shine a turd.
That was efficient!
So far, this has been awful offence from the M’s.
Who’s Morrow’s agent? He ought to understand that he can much more if Morrow turns into a good starter. Just compare the salary of Putz to the salary of a good starter with his experience and quality.
Why is everyone treating this game like a May Home Run derby [and sucking at it]?
Derek’s got you covered:
http://ussmariner.com/features/safeco_drinking.htm
I’ve always wondered about the agents of young pitchers. Getting Morrow a big contract sooner benefits the agent if he’s worried Morrow could get injured if he became a starter.
Evan, the game on Saturday is an away game.
So far, solid performance by Batista! So far anyways. It’s about that time to bring in meatball mateo
Come see the M’s! They’re hacktastic!
c’mon Raul!
TURBO!!!
Turbo!!! nice runnin’
that ball MUST have taken a bad hop!
Yes!!! Raul!!!
chug-a-chug-a-chuga-a
Yeah, what’s the hitting coach been saying in the dugout?:
“Awright kids, I want you up there sawing away at the first pitch, no matter what. That’s how we’re going to beat this guy”
Get Vidro some Gatoraid!
W00t! Raul delivers. Time game baby.
Crikey a double!
And Vidro scores from first!
He’s the just like the young Griffey!
As always, I remain squarely on the Vidro bandwagon.
tie game… yeah.
Just stand there and look at it Sexson, that’ll get the go-ahead run in!
Must be some delay on my MLB radio. Y’all are hearing this info before I am.
93 – on the Vidro bandwagon?
Surely your moniker expains that: BayAreaFan, eh?!
You guys are always bashing Vidro, but he has the 4th highest OPS of any regular on this team. Sad, but true.
Note: This is more an indictment of the team than it is a celebration of Vidro.
There is delay on my mlb.tv also, it seems somewhat better today at work rather than when I am at home.
Sims during Raul’s double: “Vidro doesn’t run real well…”
Anyone else notice how badly Crede sucks?
Another broken bat. Anyone ever see a game where the broken part of the bat strikes someone and injures them? Seems like by now something like that would’ve happened.
That should make it easier to find a stool at the bar.
Did you see A-Rod run away like a little girl this past week when a broken bat came toward him?
Brian Sweeney?
Would you rather have Crede at $5M or Beltre at $13M? I am not sure he sucks that much.
With the M’s and White Sox hitters today, this game could stay tied for a really long time.
I rarely throw broken bats at little girls anymore, so I can’t make a fair comparison to A-Rod’s reaction.
Paul Abbott
Double-play twins going yard.
Of course, as soon as I post that, Yuni hits one out.
No need to thank me.
YuBet breaks the tie!! Home-R-AMA this afternoon. Ball definetely flies better in the day time.
Yuni!!!
Crede OPS .578 in a bandbox
Beltre OPS .726 in Safeco
Beltre isn’t great, but he’s hardly the problem.
Only off by two bases there, Joe
That was a very strange slide by Lopez at second. The throw was offline, maybe that was why, but he slid a foot or two to the right of the bag, and then stood up and went over to the bag. wonder why he didn’t slide into the bag?
Yunibomber FB! Man, that pitch was a meatball according to the replay. Could this be the reason why they’re swinging at the first pitch all the time? Trying to get hold of pitches in their wheelhouse.
Home-R-AMA this afternoon. Ball definetely flies better in the day time.
As soon as they closed the roof, the homers started flying.
Let’s go Beltre.
109 – Paul Abbott was removed from that game on a stretcher with a small cut on his nose?
What a whoos!
Lets go Beltre
Crede is a legit third baseman — plus his offense was pretty decent last year, can’t say I wouldn’t entertain a Beltre for Crede swap.
My point was Crede sucks (certianly this year). My point was not that Beltre doesn’t suck. Because he does. badly.
Thirdbaseman swap! Meet your new Daddy!
I’m amazed he let that one go by.
Argh Turbo
why the first pitch after the pitcher shows he cant throw a strike!?!?! I HATE THE MARINERS
So, Morrow then Putz again? Or do we get to see Rietsma for once in the 8th?
123 – agree. They both suck.
Didn’t Tommy Lasorda getting taken out by a broken bat at the All Star game at Safeco?
Sherrill against Erstad, then?
Yes that baffled me too. Beltre, of all people, takes a walk to load the bases then our DH slaps at the first pitch for an easy out. Hey, at least he didn’t strike out.
I imagine the stretcher was the EMT’s idea.
“Paul Abbott, scrambling to glove a grounder hit by the Orioles’ Harold Baines, was hit on the right side of the head by a hefty fragment of Baines’ broken bat in the fourth inning.
It could have cost Abbott an eye, but he caught a break. The bat hit him flush rather than hitting him with either of the pointed ends. He suffered cuts requiring eight stitches and a slightly broken nose, but he was breathing and seeing effortlessly after the Mariners’ 5-1 loss to Baltimore. He had both X-rays and a CAT scan, and no major damage was seen, although the right side of his head sustained considerable swelling. “I had to be there in less 10 seconds, and the swelling already was considerable,” Griffin said. “That was extremely fast swelling. But he never lost consciousness, and he kept talking, which was good.”"
Only off by two bases there, Joe
Actually, I posted that before Lopez took a pitch. I was referring to his HR earlier — when was the last time those two had HRs in a game? Of course, it could have been taken as a hopeful prediction, too.
Well sure it COULD have cost him an eye or COULD have struck him in the balls, but it didn’t. He just had a bit of a broken nose and a cut. I would’ve walked out on my own accord.
As soon as they closed the roof, the homers started flying.
Actually, Lopez hit his with the roof open.
134 – It was Guillen who hit the HR earlier.
Hey, pretty athletic play there George!
Great play by George! For a big man he sure moves…. well… like a big man. Great play anyway though!
137. Yeah, that’s why I took his original comment as I did.
Sherrill? off the mound like a cat? the pear?
seems to me Rick Helling got a shard stuck in his forearm when pitching in the minors a few years back, and of course, Steve Yeager helped design a catchers throat guard after taking a shard in the neck. according to Fairly, in a ST game he saw Larry Jackson jam Duke Snider, break his bat, and the broken piece sailed out and hit Jackson and broke his jaw.
I am surprised Sherrill remains with Morrow and Reitsma down there.
Oh, that explains it — I was listening on the radio, and heard “Jose” and forgot there’s another one on the team this year.
I heart George.
#117: the reason the M’s swing at the first pitch all the time is… that they swing at the first pitch all the time.
The M’s draw fewer walks than anyone.
The M’s have 18 fewer walks that the team in 29th place, Pittsburgh. And in Pittsburgh, the pitcher bats and they usually don’t walk. Sure the M’s have had 6 rainouts, but if they average their usual 2 walks a game for those 6 games, they’d still be 6 walks behind Pittsburgh, while playing two more games than the Pirates.
So, where do we rank the Mariners pen thus far in the season?
Hell, I’d wouldn’t take anyone’s pen over the Mariners at this point in the season.
The M’s should start incentivising walks in their contracts.
When it comes to broken bat injuries, do umpires and fans count?
The M’s should start considering likely performance in their contracts
146 – The pen is shaping up nicely. There are still some question marks such as Hargrove’s ability to properly use the pen, Mateo, and Weaver – assuming he will be in the pen after Saturday.
#146, among AL teams, the M’s relievers are 3rd in ERA, behind Boston and Minnesota, and ahead of Cleveland.
In OBP, the M’s relievers are 7th in the league, but in OPS they are second behind only Cleveland.
Oh yeah, I say it is shaping up nicely with consideration of Morrow, who probably shouldn’t be out there (IMO) if the M’s were thinking long term.
Here we go.
He gone!!!
149 – I think they considered that but thought it would be too risky because they could actually be held accountable and not have an easy out.
Watching Putz strikeout Konerko, I checked and was surprised that the M’s are dead last in the league in reliver K/9.
150 – Weaver’s upcoming demotion to the pen will make me reevaluate. I just hope he gets released. Then again, he’d just be the garbage time mop up man most likely.
Putz always looks pissed off to me, like he wants to go home. I like that in a closer.
155 – that has a lot to do with Weaver’s starts since he hasn’t made it out of the 4th inning. We’ve seen a lot of long relief, and those guys we have are adequate but not exactly K machines. So mainly I blame Weaver for that number. Don’t forget Felix was taken out early in his last start as well.
Phantom DP, game over!
Paul B, is that weighted by innings pitched? It might be thrown off by the long relief we’ve gotten out of Woods and White after some of our most atrocious starts. I’d be willing to be that we also are pretty far up there in terms of games in which our starter failed to escape the first couple innings.
Good win.
I liked that in Randy Johnson as well. Roger Clemens rarely reminded anyone of Glenda the Good when he was out there on the mound did he?
G.E.D.P.!!!! More ~goodness!
Gotta be loving it so far Mariner fans.
Or maybe it’s all those double plays.
The Hawk, without a doubt, is my mosted hated announcer.
M’s win!!!
Did anyone see a Splitter thrown by JJ?
167 – No, which is still very disturbing for me.
Whew…We keep hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Which absolutely does not bode well against the Red Sox and Yanks. I’ll take whatever “W” we can get but still…
Also: what’s the deal with Angie Mentink? Is she pregnant or just wearing a really unflattering outfit?
Not sure whether this has been discussed around here a little, a lot, or not at all, but:
I [heart] Sims as a broadcaster. He’s enjoyable to listen to, excitable when the game is exciting, and whatever’s the opposite of senile. Lucid?
Flacid?
169 – she is very pregnant.
160: It is K per 9 innings pitched.
As 158 suggested, could be due to those that have been called in to long relief.
Could check and see who the lowest k/9 pitchers are on the M’s staff…
In relief, White and Putz each had 12 IP (not counting today) and others with 10 or more IP were Morrow and Mateo.
The lowest K/9 in relief for the M’s is Woods.
170
As a foreigner who has no previous experience with M’s broadcasting until this season, I have to rank our guys are some of the least annoying around. When flicking through mlb.tv mosaic, I find my self turning off some games due to the idiots that are commentating on them. The worst being that jock guy who talks bollocks for the Angels.
Well, if he doesn’t do his job, nobody on that team is going home (or out to the Bellevue bars if Freddy and Carlos were still involved). I wouldn’t want to be blamed for keeping everyone at a Friday meeting after 5 p.m. where I work.
More good pitching! I don’t care who the opponent is, I like our staff right now. (Other than Weaver, of course)
167 – 168 – Has JJ addressed why he isn’t throwing it or has anyone asked the question?
172 – Thanks for the info. I wasn’t sure because I try to avoid watching Angie. Think black and slimming, Ange.
AuburnM, you’ll get your chance to see, in the next few series against teams that can hit.
179 – exactly. I remember last year when the M’s offense would make journeymen starters look like staff aces. It’s nice to be on the other side this past week.
#179
I get it. I still think our pitching is better than it has been the past three years.
there comes a point in a pregnancy when nothing is slimming.
re the splitty, JJ has been having trouble with the grip, he says– from Drayer on sat “Today he threw a nasty splitter to strike out Marco Scutaro, a splitter that quite frankly we hadn’t seen much lately. I asked him about that and he said that he had lost his grip on it and was relieved to find it today”
Forget slimming, Angie just plain looked like hell on TV the other night. Kind of like the Seinfeld episode where there’s no water pressure because of the “low flow” shower heads.
I swear Angie has been pregnant for like 2 years.
She already had one baby, and apparently didn’t “take any pitches” before swinging for another one!
185: Rimshot.
I really don’t know who you’re talking about but that person seems to fit the teams approach at the plate quite well.
well, she always was an aggressive hitter
In the latest ESPN MLB power ranking:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking
The Mariners were ranked #25. I know Felix is hurt, but even without Felix, they’ve got to be better than #25. They are no world beaters, but with a good defense, good bullpen, average offense and below average SP without Felix, I would think they can be at #20. Now if Felix comes back healthy for the whole year, a big if, I think they just might win the division.
We’re talking about Angie Mentik, who is on the post-game show on FSN.
Did I get her last name right? I think it’s actually “Mentink” maybe?
Angie Marzetta Arlati Mentink, to be precise.
As a foreigner who has no previous experience with M’s broadcasting until this season, I have to rank our guys are some of the least annoying around. When flicking through mlb.tv mosaic, I find my self turning off some games due to the idiots that are commentating on them. The worst being that jock guy who talks bollocks for the Angels.
Try to catch a Toronto game when Rance Mulliniks is doing colour (avoid games with Pat Tabler). Rance has terrible diction and vocabulary, but he does have interesting things to say.
Maybe Putz is saving the splitter. He’s setting up the hitters for the next series.
188: To be fair, the M’s have won 4 of 5 since those ESPN Power Rankings on 4/27. And bear in mind it’s ESPN, after all.
Don’t be dissing pregnant ladies would be my advice or they’ll liable to find your battered body in the alley behind a Tupperware Party some dark night.
Good point!
I heard the Yankees have a doubl-A team. Maybe Washburn will fare good against them.
Angie Mentink is Bret Boone with a wig and back on ‘roids.
Dave,
Late to the disco, but I just wanted to question your assertion that there are no comparably good options to pitching Weaver against the Yanks. When he lasts a third of an inning and gives up 8 runs on 7 hits, will you eat some crow? I am in the “ANYONE But Weaver (ABW)” camp. I’d put Burke out there on the hill before I’d throw Weaver again. I guess Hargrove is choosing to go down with the ship, only after Weaver gets shelled and we have to rely on our bullpen for another 20-27 outs, the skipper will bob back to the surface and stutter another bogus rationale for why he’s gonna start Weaver next time, too. I don’t know how much more Weaver I can stomach.
#179 Paul B “…teams that can hit”.
The Red Sox have had their usual problems with LOB. It’s been a real struggle in these games against the A’s scoring runs. They haven’t exactly clubbed them like the Yanks did the Rangers yesterday.
As for the Yanks themselves, there’s an interesting development going on right now: There’s tornadoes and heavy rain going on in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area, and IF they get the game in tonight, it’ll be late. If not, it’ll be a traditional DH pair of games tomorrow while the M’s play Boston.
No telling what condition the Yanks pitching staff, starters and relief alike, will be in by the time the M’s get into NYC.
187: I dunno about aggressive to describe her hitting style. .221 BA with a .383 OBP one year and .241/.414 the next? That’s a hell of a lot more patience than any Mariner has displayed in the past five years.
Woo-hoo. The Mariners win another game and series.
The Mariner juggernaut is on a roll and cannot be stopped!
Is it too early to start printing playoff tickets?
Not necessarily on topic but [deleted, off-topic]
I think it counts as on-topic, as Dave did mention that “this weekend could be unbelievably ugly”
Ugh.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
“Acquired outfielder Chris Snelling from the Washington Nationals for outfielder Ryan Langerhans.”
Aw, hell no.
Aw jeez. Doyle an A.
Beane got Langerhans on sunday for a PTBNL, and then swapped him
By the way…is it just me, or does nobody in MLB really put much value in Chris Snelling? All we could get for him (plus Fruto!) was Vidro, and all the Nationals got was Ryan Langerhans. Maybe they know something we don’t?
I think if Beane wants him, that should tell us all we need to know. At least we get to see him play in Safeco again
yup.
from the Chronicle’s Susan Slusser: “The A’s did make a trade on Wednesday, an unusual one, sending outfielder Ryan Langerhans to Washington for former Mariners outfielder Chris Snelling, long a player the A’s have had interest in. Langerhans’ A’s tenure lasted all of two games; he was acquired from Atlanta on Sunday.”
1) Either one of my Basset Hounds is a better pitcher than Weaver. The fact that he’s getting another start is beyond ridiculous.
2) The Yankees are indeed beatable, so I wouldn’t necessarily make assumptions about this weekend (except for Weaver’s start).
3) I hate to keep pointing this out (as I have been since fairly early last year), but the evidence keeps accumulating that the M’s have once again destroyed an arm, this time Felix’….
What evidence?
Doesn’t Dave’s comment that there “aren’t any better options” sort of point out the necessity of the HoRam-RafSo trade? Without the rotation depth that HoRam provides, one of those options that aren’t any better than a guy with an 18+ ERA would be in the rotation now!