Game 26, Mariners at Yankees
Dave · May 6, 2007 at 10:13 am · Filed Under Mariners
Washburn vs Rasner, 10:05 am.
Willie in for Lopez today.
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Looks like the Y*nks haven’t made the “Vidro adjustment” yet =)
There goes the perfect game!
#1 the Yankees are too busy thinking about their pitching to worry about our slap happy DH.
Did Mateo get demoted?
YES Network says, ‘Ibanez, really a below-average fielder’. I know he’s not great, but thought he was at least pretty close to ‘average’. How wrong am I?
I was thinking he’d made some pretty good plays this year, although I guess they look a lot more heroic because he takes forever to get to them.
Ibanez is a bad defensive LF – he makes the plays on the balls he can get to, but he just lacks range. He really should be a DH at this point in his career.
On YES, Michael Kay just described Washburn as “a dead ringer for Kiefer Sutherland.” Uh, I don’t see it.
It took two games for the A’s to decide to move Doyle from the 9th spot in the order to leadoff.
Word on Lopez is a bruised ankle. Must’ve happened somehow on that run to first yesterday.
So below-average range, good glove, average arm? Sounds pretty much how DMB has him rated. That is, ‘Fair’ range, with less than half the league average in errors (42%). Better than Big Manny at least (not saying much).
Range is, by far, the most important component of defensive value for an outfielder. He’s not Manny or Adam Dunn, but he shouldn’t be playing left field on a team that’s trying to win.
So far the Yankees offense seems Triple-A. Or maybe it is Washburn. I don’t know.
Good discussion. How about for an infielder? Is range as important as the OF, or does the glove count for a large percentage of their overall defensive value?
Felix has been moved back again? It appears he’ll pitch on the 15th now. Can’t say I fault them for being extra cautious. If he goes back out there and gets hurt again someone would be on the chopping block.
Dave are you saying the BoSox aren’t trying to win with Manny in left field?
4 — Yep, down to AAA
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the difference with the bosox and mariners is that Boston has enough money/front office competence/owner desire to win to overcome Manny’s lack of defensive ability by getting better surrounding players.
This situation is starting to feel more and more like the Soriano injury a few years back where they pushed him back a few times before letting him pitch, and then after that deciding maybe he should just have TJ surgery. I hope this one turns out differently.
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You can also add the fact that “range” in left at Fenway is completely different than it is at Safeco.
which led to some scary WillieLove from Rizzy on the pre-game.
hey, Dave & Mike think the Yanks are looking for a first baseman– think they’d like Richie? we could swap him for Alex
a columnist in one of the Cleveland papers was touting a CC for Alex swap this morning …
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Yeah that’s true too. I was just brain-storming a couple ideas haha
Good discussion. How about for an infielder? Is range as important as the OF, or does the glove count for a large percentage of their overall defensive value?
Hands and footwork matter more in the infield than they do in the outfield. Range is still the most important factor, however. I’ll take Betancourt’s range and errors over all the other AL shorstops who have higher fielding percentages, for instance.
Dave are you saying the BoSox aren’t trying to win with Manny in left field?
They have a unique situation with Ramirez/Ortiz both belonging at DH but having the offensive value to overcome their defensive deficiencies.
Sweet catch
somehow, as Dave notes that both sides have the same numbers at this stage of the game, it just doesn’t feel like the Ms have the same chance to bust out offensively as do the Yanks.
Thanks for the insight. Where would be a good place to begin the research of Betancourt’s ‘true’ range? I was surprised to see DMB rate his range as ‘Average’, and was hoping to find some solid statistical evidence to the contrary.
Chalk another one up on the “Ichiro is a bad center fielder” chart…..
not a good time to be walking jeter
hmm. Damon’s getting a little shaggy in the back there. Where is his Yankee pride?
Google for “Probablistic Model of Range”, “Ultimate Zone Rating”, and “Fan Scouting Report”. You’ll find some interesting stuff from David Pinto, Mitchel Lichtman, and Tango, all whoo have done a lot of different work on defensive value.
I may be hung up by my toes for saying this….but I do enjoy ‘watching’ Jeter play. There’s something about the way he plays the game (even if the announcers completely overrate his talents). I can’t put my finger on the exact ‘what or why’, but he’s fun to watch.
Thanks again!
Well there is another hit and run scored for Doyle in an A’s uniform.
Ugh.
Dave – Would you put Jeter in the bottom of the AL in terms of defensive ability? I know you’re not very high on him, which is justified, but I’d like to know where you’d rate him.
Defensively, Jeter’s one of the worst everyday SS in the game. Only Michael Young can hold a candle to his inability to turn groundballs into outs.
They played “Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap” when Matsui came to bat? i guess by the standards of the Yankees he is dirt cheap…
Whoever that is broadcasting on TV makes me wonder to what degree a pitcher without much, uh, “stuff” can learn to get better results through pitch choice.
If Washburn has good command of location and makes good (better?) decisions about what he throws where and when, can he become a better pitcher?
This is by far Washburn’s best start of the year. He’s really hitting his spots and making the Yankee hitters chase marginal pitches.
seems like washburn is throwning a lot more balls around the knees this year.
Washburn trying to fill Moyer’s shoes. Actually I guess both pitchers are doing that today.
So, apropos nothing, do you think fangraphs can give you a sense of how exciting a game was? The one for yesterday’s Padres-Marlins game looks pretty entertaining.
I sure do wish they hadn’t used all the offense on Friday night. This is pathetic.
Nah, the Yankess are only a Triple-A offense.
i think im gonna puke with the way blowers has been hyping up weaver this entire inning.
Lets get some gritty RBI’s here Willie!
Mwuhahahahahahaha … the Day Of The Doyle has begun.
Snelling batting leadoff for the A’s, who are up 1-0 in the fourth. He’s 1-for-1 with the lone run scored, and batting .500 so far as an A.
are we being penalized with this bloomquist crap for some reason? oh- lopez- ankle? cmon…
That was the grittiest K-looking I’ve ever seen. Keep up the good work Bloomers!!
Oops, sorry, it’s just the second. And it IS against Edwin Jackson, which isn’t exactly the same thing as facing major league pitching.
A more entertaining option for Grover would have been to dump Vidro out there at second and let Gentle Ben hit in the DH slot.
How does Bloomquist rate back-to-back starts when Ellison can’t get one? He’s got all of TWO at-bats this season, for crying out loud. He’s not that bad an offensive player.
umm, can ellison play in the infield?
No, but what’s so wrong about giving Ibanez or Guillen a day off?
Wasn’t Edwin Jackson a big-time prospect at one point? Anyone know what happened to him?
Doyle takes a walk. I love him so, so much.
#53: No control, no location. Another guy with “stuff” and no ability to harness it. Reportedly he has “coachability” issues.
I was just wondering about Ellison myself, but looking at his career stats, he wouldn’t be any better in terms of taking pitches and on-base percentage.
Although both his BA and OBP are .500 so far this year…
If Hargrove gives Ibanez or Guillen a day off, I’ll bet it’ll be Willie in the outfield, anyway.
Ellison is all-universe defensively, and on offense, a little better than Bloomquist. He can hit for a little better average, and if anything, is a better base stealer than Willie.
Dave, what’s your take on Rasner? Doesn’t seem to me like he should be this successful with what he’s got.
Jim: what happened to your evil alter ego? Or are you the evil one?
The funny about Doyle on the A’s right now is that they have him starting in center and he has more career at-bats than the left fielder and right fielder in today’s lineup combined. That’s some slim outfield pickings.
I wish I could see the Devil Rays play a lot more. Who wouldn’t want to see B.J. Upton (who just homered off Blanton), Elijah Dukes and Delmon Young play every day? Plus James Shields is fast becoming my favorite “new John Lackey” pitcher. Don’t look now, but something very special is going on down in Tampa Bay.
Jeter is graceful. Humans are suckers for beauty. I’m not saying Jeter is beautiful (though I know he has his female fans who might), but he moves in a pleasing way. In the same way attractive people get promoted ahead of their plainer-looking peers, Jeter gets the benefit of the doubt on a lot plays like phantom tags. Jeter barely makes plays that a faster shortstop would make routine, but a faster SS makes the play with quick, jerky, less-pleasing movements — which in fact is why he’s faster. Graceful isn’t fast, but it does look elegant. And it’s more likely to get you on SportsCenter. As a bonus, because he’s slow, it makes for a closer call and so a more dramatic play. Jeter is all about the eyes fooling the brain. He’s like the old sportscars from the 30s or 50s: if you actually measure their performance on the track, they couldn’t keep up with even family sedan from today, but they look so elegant and fast you just assume they are.
We’re both evil, Lauren. “Thom Jimsen” is my workplace alter ego.
Phelps should be called out – you can’t run over the catcher while he’s attempting to catch the ball.
not to mention kenji wasn’t even over any part of the plate.
That was bush as shit. They better put one in his ear next time up.
Someone needs to light Phelps up for that shit. Totally unnecessary.
Was that serious? He went out of his way past the plate just to run into him. That was horse ****.
Phelps needs one in the ear before this series is over.
I cant wait for Phelps to get up…head hunt that asshole
Put Morrow in the next time Phelps is up.
One for the Cheater’s Guide, video edition. Phelps better make sure his helmet’s on tight next AB. Not that I would ever want a player to be injured, or anything, but I’d like to see a bean ball connect. Hard.
The next time Phelps is up will make for some interesting baseball.
Lopez got tripped at first running out a hit towards the end of the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why he’s out of the lineup.
My question is: why is Joh in today? Will Burke get a turn tomorrow?
this is arods perfect situation here. yankees up 2 time for a bomb!!1
I would rent Joel Zumaya for the afternoon just for the next Phelps at-bat.
Ellison is used as defensive replacement. Question why for Guillen rather than Ibanez even if Ibanez made final out of previous inning?
Man. There’s a lot of buried violence in this group waiting to emerge. Who knew?
Ideally I would like to see Phelps struck out and made to look stupid. But I guess our pitching staff is more likely to succeed at the hitting-in-the-head bit.
Yes, but even defensive replacements gets 5 to 10 starts a year. Two at-bats every 25 games? That’s neglect.
You gotta go with your strength.
Phelps bats third next inning … hoo boy ….
“Hi, Mr. Hargrove? We haven’t met yet– Jason Ellison? Down here, on the end of the bench? Other side of Broussard?”
I bet the Yanks pinch-hit for Phelps – he comes out for Mientkiewicz for defense anyways, and they probably know he’s going to get thrown at.
Is it possible the ump has already “warned” the Mariners about retaliation?
I’d add something else snide about gift baskets from Tampa, but I won’t…
I don’t see an retaliation from any of these guys. Maybe Derek should send over a couple of copies of his book to the locker room. Or maybe when I finish reading mine, I’ll send it over.
Hit Minky instead. He probably deserves it.
think an ump will ever call that one?
I still don’t get how were getting shut out by a former Nationals reject
YES announcer just said “Vidro adds another dimension to this Mariner lineup in his ability to see a lot of pitches, kind of like Bobby Abreu.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Phelps probably not only won’t be in the lineup next inning, but he’s probably already been optioned to Scranton-WB.
Yeah, after that near-bean ball at Ichiro on Friday, I imgained something like this:
ARod, coming to the plate: Wait, Felix is coming in?
Hargrove: It’s just for one pitch
ARod: but I thought he was hurt
Hargrove: He can’t throw sliders. He’s not going to throw a slider.
ARod: And what’s with all the EMTs along the baseline?
Hargrove: They’re just here for one pitch too.
ARod: And what’s this crosshair painted on my helmet?
Hargrove: Just get in the batter’s box, OK? This is all going to be over very, very quickly.
Time for Richey to step up the the plate and take 3 big ones.
#79 All and all, that was someone hurting one our guys. If you can’t stick up and get angry over something like that then you might not care that much for the team. And if you are spending your sunday morning/afternoon online watching the team; you care for the team.
I was entertained by the comment made in an earlier pre-game show that Doug was probably thrilled to be reunited with his high school teammate, Alex.
Re: the Phelps play.
That’s Yankee pride in action.
Mark S.: Crap, thanks! I’m totally questioning my status as a fan now.
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Funniest play ever would’ve been if Phelps missed the plate and subsequently got tagged out by Washburn backing up the play
(Then still getting beaned on his next at bat, lol)
Doyle to lead off the 4th
Give Richie credit…
He tried to screw up the rally on one pitch, not his usual 3-5 before he K’s
Surprised Sexson didn’t bowl the 1B over on that throw.
oddly enough, I can get angry over someone throwing at, or running over a Mariner without wanting to see retaliation.
Me and Jimmy Leyland.
hey, thanks, Richie.
Damn…I was hopin for a FUNK BLAST there
#80-Jim why the defensive replacement for Guillen rather than Ibanez?
Hmmm…Sexson hitting a buck fifty and striking out every other time at the plate, killing numerous rallies and getting paid over 15 million.
I guess the equivalent to a regular working stiff in an office job would be showing up late every other day, mixed in with some unexcused absences, being drunk by 10:00 most days, embezzling money and sleeping with the boss’s wife AND girlfriend.
OOO Phelps is out there
Even Yankee fans are admitting that Phelps running over Kenji was “unnecessary.”
Yankee fans showing some class. Who would’ve thunk it.
I hope Washburn comes out that 78 mph fastball wont hurt enough
crap no walk any more
Web Gem!
After Ichiro getting thrown at in the first game and Phelps’ dirty take out of Johjima, Washburn needs to put one right in Phelps’ grill here.
Speaking of ‘Bad Defensive LF’….darn that Sun.
Way to chase that bee, Raul.
FUNK DROP!!!
Nice Raul
Has anyone else dropped a ball today?
Unbelievable. Good thing Ellison goes in for Guillen, lol
Well-played, Jarrod.
Mateo has been been suspended
Attaboy Washburn!
Jarrod!
And there we go.
HA! He’s lucky he didn’t get it a little higher in the noggin.
In any event, time to bring in Morrow.
phelps was standing so far away from the plate his front foot was out of the box.
Damn, no hospital visit.
Even if they score you have to like what Wash just did.
And yet, somehow, that all seemed so unsatisfying. I wanted a facial reaction, or something.
jeesh 3rd dropped ball this inning
Little Willie, chasing butterflies in his Port Orchard backyard ….
what did the YES crew think?
They could have waited for someone who throws hard to come in.
Willie has the grit. His glove, alas, does not.
It seems like that has been about the 800th blooper the Yankees have gotten to fall for a hit in this series.
If Raul knows how to catch a ball in the sun or Willie had his head out of his arse, the HBP wouldn’t be coming back to haunt us
He took it in the bicep. That was a “sorry I have to hit you” throw. Chickenshit. That would have been a good introduction to protection duty for Morrow.
128. Kay thinks he is brilliant for realizing there was a correlation between Phelps acting like a schmuck and subsequently getting plunked his next AB.
129: They can bring a hard thrower in and hit him again. I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
From the early 1970s hit “Little Willie,” by The Sweet:
Right after the beaning, the YES crew immediately replayed the collision at Home Plate and began talking about how Phelps shouldn’t have hit Kenji.
Kay always thinks he’s brilliant.
Uh, Hargrove can’t bring in Mateo here…
I wonder if just dusting him off on his back once or twice (without giving him first base) would’ve been better than relying on still getting out of the inning unscathed.
I guess the next two hitters will let us know. Our offense hasn’t exactly given us much wiggle room
Ugly baseball right now.
Dear god. Our defense is embarrassing.
Funk Bobble!
That tag on first base was so … Sexy.
Can’t someone just sneak into the Yankees locker room and put glue in Phelps’s shoes or something? Now they have 3 baserunners instead of 2. Yeah yeah I know it’s the culture. But for the additional baserunner I would have preferred to see some blood, at least.
Sexson really really really needs to sit down for a day or year!
Its a good thing that Sexson is in for his defense not offense
3-0 may as well be 35-0 the way we’re (NOT) hitting.
At least the black hole that is Sexson is out of the way for a while. Nice gold glove work btw…sigh
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You’re right…couldn’t have been worse than hitting that beefcake in the bicep. Not sure Washburn has the velocity to send a message without hitting at least a knee cap, though.
#135. Yeah, who in the Mariners bullpen can be a sacrificial lamb?
For $375,000 a year, I will be that sacrificial lamb.
and really, who on the team has the pitching precision to actually put a ball where they wanted it?
I can a ball anywhere I want in the strike zone … at about 58 mph.
Good to see we learn from our mistakes.
GO AFTER THAT FIRST PITCH AGAIN!
You’d think getting shut out TWO GAMES IN A ROW late in the game would be a sign for change.
They just reversed Ibanez’s error to a double for Matsui.
I think Friday’s game pretty much summed up the next 2 weeks’ scoring by Mariners hitters. Grrr.
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Jamie Moyer. Oh, wait…
Matsui’s fly to Raul is now a hit.
So now you get hits when the outfielder drops it, as long as the sun is bad?
Huh?
Holy SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, this was inevitable.
Get him YuBet!! Completely uncalled for!!!
That is ridiculous, that should have been over last inning.
Where does Proctor/Torre get off thinking they’re entitled to retaliation????
BRAWL!!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!! start some shit!
I guess I don’t mean “summed up”; rather, “will be the sum total of” is more accurate.
You knew what I meant!!
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He didn’t touch that ball before it hit the ground. As far as I know, that’s always been the scoring rule.
How DARE they try to give us a baserunner?
Uh, excuse me? Were we not square?
really didn’t like seeing felix jump to the front of that.
This is one way to burn through a bullpen…
Get Mateo out there to hit someone!
Why would the Yanks hit us now?
-Things were already even
-It gets us fired up (as the bats have been deader than Grover’s exercise machine)
-We need ANY baserunners we can get
YES network calling the Proctor beaning ‘wrong’. Said, ‘Phelps had it coming to him’. If this was Rizzs, he’d have played it down throwing a tidbit of how it could’ve ‘gotten away from him’…then finding a way to throw 1995 in there.
Yuni has very strong feelings about being hit. He always has had.
The Yankee announcers are saying that that was uncalled for by Proctor, and that the M’s had cause to hit Phelps.
Oh, that’s just crappy. Proctor is THEIR sacrificial lamb. C’mon, Hargrove, you got at least 5 volunteers in the bullpen…
Proctor needs a barrel-first proctological exam.
172 – they don’t have women pitchers in MLB.
I thought both teams had been warned – so shouldn’t Proctor get tossed?
Yeah, those “classy” Yankees…
Oh wait. DID he get tosssed?
Yep, both Torre and Proctor are gone.
I love Felix out there with the hat on backwards and sunglasses ready to cut someone!
Felix is big, young, and apparently rather, uh, passionate. He was on the top step after the Ichiro chin music, too.
Which raises an interesting question — which Mariner would you least like to face off against? Felix would scare me. So would Beltre. Sexson has reach, but he’s slow and I think you could just stay out of his way.
I liked the fact YuBet let him know he was gonna get him, without being stupid enough to get tossed
In what alternate universe did Torre think he was entitled to retaliate? Did he not follow the eminently followable sequence of events today?
Fun times!
When the audio starts cutting in and out like that, do you ever picture some guy at the control booth with a jimmy leg, foot on some wire, until the producer leans over and tells to cut it out?
Now let’s have a real fight. It’ll give the papers the chance to trot out the old “fired up” trope.
Phelps should be out of this game. He started it by deliberately trying to hurt our player even though it actually put the run at risk. Hit him again.
why should he get unlimited warmup pitches for an ejection?
OK I missed that. Too busy watching the Tivo replays of Willie being the first Mariner on the field to start the brawl.
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Yeah, that could only set back the franchise back a few decades if he were to act on that and get hurt
Jose Guillen has a sort of penitentiary face. He sceres me.
so, do the NY folks think it was all Proctor’s idea, as Blowers does?
and can we see that Colter Bean chap again?
Okay, with the Proctor and Torre tossed, I hope we’re not stupid enough to hit someone else.
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I was thinking the same thing. Plus, KNOWING Proctor was going to be gone, wouldn’t they already have him ready?
Bean’s already back in Triple-A.
I just got out of the shower. Did I miss the Yankees hit one of our players? Did the pitcher get tossed?
Have Morrow hit him tomorrow if he is in the lineup.
Time for HR #4, Yuni.
The Yankee telecast just showed replays of when Ichiro got thrown at a couple days ago.
Funk Brawl
why should he get unlimited warmup pitches for an ejection?
Well, the new pitcher didn’t do anything wrong?
Now why isn’t Betancourt on first?
YES network calling the Proctor beaning ‘wrong’. Said, ‘Phelps had it coming to him’. If this was Rizzs, he’d have played it down throwing a tidbit of how it could’ve ‘gotten away from him’…then finding a way to throw 1995 in there.
Actually, on the radio Dave N called the hit-by-pitch straight, and Rizzs (doing color) got on and corrected him, suggesting that it was payback for Joh.
197: Proctor threw behind Betancourt; he and the manager (Torre) were tossed.
fiery!
185: I suspect one punch from J.J. Putz would hurt worse than one shot from any other Mariner.
What’s more unlikely: The M’s get a run or Yubet walks before the month is up?
195: They don’t have to have another pitcher ready, because the new pitcher gets as much time as he wants.
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Never mind…with Willie being up next, I should’ve known no runs were coming.
205-He was on deck..so he literally was already on the field
It’s 3-0, a comeback is unlikely, I think some payback is in order. That is ridiculous.
206- My money is on Guillen, even after surgery.
WFB…Gritty grounder
210 – go ahead, shatter my illusions…
202- well if a pitcher is getting shelled the reliever didn’t do anything wrong but still only gets 8 pitches.
and yuni didn’t actually get hit there.
I see Matsui walking over Willie in a brawl like Mothra taking out a Japanese fishing village.
and George’s personal driver dropped him off at the Port Authority by the 8th inning.
Something hilarious, the A’s have Cust, Crosby, Melhuse, Ellis and Putnum batting consecutively.
Clemens :O
Bean Clemens!
Maybe the Mariners can sign Roger Clemens for a day and make him the sacrificial lamb. He can throw it pretty hard.
How are they allowed to do that over the PA in the middle of the game?
Uh, shouldn’t the yankees get a delay-of-game penalty?
Oh geez.
221: Well, I guess not.
Oh, brother, we have Suzyn Waldman announcing Roger Clemens is in George’s box.
More Classy Yankee stuff! Rahjah must have loved Phelps’ steamrolling, it’s something Rahjah would do himself.
Beltre evidently wasn’t satisfied with knowing he didn’t screw up yesterday’s pathetic game. He wanted to “contribute” today too.
The Mariners, brought to you today by Chico’s Bail Bonds ….
Argh.
Sexson is reaching Jeff Weaver territory… Except we have to watch him everyday.
Jesus, Ibanez…
My goodness!!!!!!!!!
Jesus M. F. C. F. S. A. H.
Well at least the Yankees saved that for today. If Buck and McCarver were around for it we all would have shot ourselves.
Another hit?
why dont the Mariners just hit it in the air to LF? seems to be working for the Yankees
Again, if its so tough and Raul isn’t to blame, why isn’t anyone else dropping balls?
I suppose its another “hit?” (Even though it hit him square in the glove AGAIN)
Christ almighty. I hate the Yankees.
First base is open with two outs. Retaliation?
Wanna guess what Clemens signed for? A trillion dollars? Talk about a bad negotiating situation.
ok, this is just getting ridiculous.
I’m wishing really bad thoughts right now about more Yankee hamstrings…
With the Yankees signing Roger Clemens, they just went up another notch on the Insufferable Yankees Meter.
Nice cutoff to get Matsui in between bases…
Why shouldn’t Proctor get tossed? Right now were proving we can’t hit ANY pitching. It all began when we let Myers go FOUR innings against us. When was the last time he pitched two? Since he did that we’ve scored TWO runs in the last 20 innings versus less than stellar pitching. Even Wang shouldn’t be in mid-season/perfect game form yet, should he?
if the umps didn’t call Phelps out after he ran back across the bag to flatten Joh, I’m guessing they don’t penalize for delay of game.
To bad the Red Sox weren’t at home when they announced that, it would be interesting to see thousands of fan throw up at the same time.
When did GI Joe’s become just Joe’s?
Beltre is still a strong advocate of making outs on the first pitch. Good to see is day off didn’t change that.
Roger Clemens is one of the 4 options for player of the game with the Yankees. Haha, how about the M’s defense instead?
248: Sometime in the last year, I believe.
I’m going to the game tomorrow…hope to see some heated exchanges between the 2 teams!!
I would love to see the terms of this contract. Clemens made it sound like this was unexpected, meaning the Yanks blew every other offer out of the water.
I can’t find any indication that Clemens has agreed to a contract. Did they say it over the PA, or are we just concluding the inevitable here?
Wow! On just one play, Mientkiewicz just became more productive than Sexson the past TWO games.
so, let’s see.
Felix’ return delayed.
Near perfecto against.
Mateo (allegedly) is an ass.
Phelps’ dirty play.
Stellar defense.
Yankee Arrogance again defined.
what a swell weekend.
I’ll bet a drinking game could be made out of IdahoInvader’s Beltre comments.
clemens comments made it seem like he signed plus the scoreboard said that clemens has signed with the yankees.
Wow, ok…sounds like it’s official. I don’t get it…he should just wait until September and ask for about $75 million. Not like they wouldn’t give it to him.
255- We should have the mascot play first until we can find a real 1st baseman. The Moose might be able to cover some ground with those antlers.
it’s on the AP, now
When did GI Joe’s become just Joe’s?
About six weeks ago.
They really should merge with Trader Joe’s while they’re at it.
#253 It makes me wonder if Clemens, holding Cashman by the short hairs, asked for $1 more than $51.1 million/year prorated (i.e., the claiming fee for Matsuzaka).
A double play, whoopty do.
I would really like to see a fastball in Jeter’s ribs.
I would like to see an extra base hit by a Mariner.
It’s entertaining reading the comments by fans on the Yankee blogs. They are expectedly soiling themselves in glee over the Clemens signing.
The funniest comment, however, was by a Red Sox fan:
BREAKING NEWS: The Yankees have just added another 5-inning pitcher.
Any-hoo, back to the boring, never-do-anything-dramatic-like-announcing-a-big signing-in-the-middle-of-the-game Mariners.
good thing no one showed Roger Bob Klapisch’s column today–
262 – another stupid corporation announcing to the world their intention to commit suicide by name change.
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Lets not blame the M’s. Its the Yankees fault for not giving them great pitches to hit on the first pitch to every batter.
Irony Ibanez!! hahaha
Yankee fans have ugly children…thought I’d throw that out there
god I hate the y*nkees.
I’m kinda pissed at the Devil Rays. Edwin Jackson is up to 115 pitches, game is tied in the 7th. he’s pitched pretty crappily all game. They leave him in. Swisher hits a homerun. Damn.
Good timing on the hit Sexson… Top 9, no one on in a 5 run game. Sweet.
“Hey. If any of you are looking for any last-minute gift ideas for me, I have one. I’d like Bill Bavasi, Mariners GM, right here tonight. I want him brought from his happy holiday slumber over there on Melody Lane with all the other rich people and I want him brought right here, with a big ribbon on his head, and I want to look him straight in the eye and I want to tell him what a cheap, stupid, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit he is. Hallelujah. Holy shit. Where’s the Tylenol?”
If Clemens waited until September it might be too late. The Yankees are at the bottom of the AL East. Even assuming they get all their starters back off the DL and they’re effective again, they’ve got a hole to climb out of — and they’re not all coming back tomorrow, so the hole may well be deeper by then. And Clemens may need a few weeks to get into pitching shape, too. I am suprised he didn’t wait until June, but the Yankees may have made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Will he be carried to the mound on a palanquin borne by oiled bat boys? Will they get a Concord out of mothballs to fly him out to NY from Houston for his starts? Will there be a separate staff of trainers, masseuses, and dietitians following him around? A uniform hand-woven from Imperial Chinese silkworms and a cup made from the fur of endangered snow leopards? Organic hydroponic sunflower seeds and a supermodel to crack and feed them to him in the dugout?
Hey, wikipedia is finally useful for something!
No, I’m not exactly proud of my given name at this moment.
276 – right on =)
So much for Ichiro’s May pickup…the weight of his new contract is perhaps taking him away from his WA…
T-minus 3 hours to Tim Lincecum’s first start. At least something good can come out of this day of baseball. Hooray for Sunday Night Baseball! Hooray for Miller and Morgan!
Anyone else read the article on the M’s “official” website about Beltre and how he appeals to the umpires about check swings??? According to Beltre, it’s all about being proactive….
hmm. Matt Pittman seems to think Phelps gave a clean slide, and that he was ‘already committed to taking Joh out’ — of course, he also thinks the Ms coach is Mike Holmgren.
Tough luck for the boob on Fox who’s about to deliver his report on where he thinks Clemens ought to go.
This was another predictable let-down game in which the Mariners seemed incapable of playing crisply, getting on base, or even catching a fly-ball. The offenive ineptitude that this team consistently displays is dismaying, and it starts with the light-hitting Ichiro and extends its way through the invisible Sexson down to the pathetic Willie. Further, does Dave Sims have to be so excited about the Yankees, Clemens, and what is going on at “The Stadium”? It is an example of the incompetence of this management that our own announcer suffers from “East-coast bias.” Get ready for the Yankee tomorrow night to shut us down again in his major league debut. This roadtrip is getting ugly.
Heh, yeah, swerving at the last second, so far out of line (in more ways than one) that you miss home plate, and jousting your arm into someone’s neck already committed constitute “already committed.”
Ah. Looks like wikipedia staff thinks noting a disgusting play that could seriously injure or even kill someone is “not notable.” Maybe we should only hear the good things that sports players do, you know, to make them better role models? I recant on my earlier comment about its usefulness.
Scratch the first already committed. I can’t write.
Josh, I don’t think you understand how Wikipedia works or what its standards are.
fwiw, Matt has changed his tune, now– dunno if someone showed him the repeat and pointed out where Joh was and where the plate was, or what.
Oh, believe me, I know. Search around for various other public figures and you’ll find mentions of scandalous and/or stupid things they did that are irrelevant to anything but the incident itself.
Box score says Hargrove was ejected in the 7th. Ironically it lists him between Proctor and Torre, not that the order means anything. Anyone know what he said/did?
EjectionsNew York Yankees pitcher Scott Proctor ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (7th); Seattle Mariners Manager Mike Hargrove ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (7th); New York Yankees Manager Joe Torre ejected by HP umpire Mike Everitt. (7th).
Visiting manager listed first? Or maybe it goes by career winning %?
#276-Anyone seen Cousin Eddie?
I swear, this has to be the most deceiving 13-13 record I’ve ever seen. I mean, lets not kid ourselves here.
When we play the teams in this league that matter like the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, and Twins. Can we win or even show we deserve to be on the same field as them? It doesn’t seem that way so far. Subtract the game Felix pitched against the Red Sox and the Mariners are:
1-2 vs. Red Sox
1-2 vs. Yankees
0-3 vs. Angels
1-2 vs. Twins
This team can’t hit, pitch, be managed correctly, and now it appears we have some defensive problems we have to work out. This team thinks they are good enough to win a wide open AL West, but what accomplishment would that be if they snuck into the playoffs with 85 or so wins only to get swept in Round 1 by Boston or New York?
This team will call this 13-13 record progress, I call it an excuse for not performing better and having this team not prepared to be better going into the season by the F.O.
I just hope we are in the middle of the losing streak that gets Hargrove and Bavasi canned.
*0-2 vs. Red Sox without Felix
I’d be pleased as punch if the M’s win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I’d be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500.
Did you guys watch last years playoffs? Any team can get hot, ride an amazing pitcher or have a run of freak luck that get them a WS title.
We’re not a good team, but luckily for us we play in what is currently an incredibly weak division, with an added side benefit of only having to beat 3 other teams.
Yeah, we shouldn’t even be on the same field as some of the elite squads in the AL over 162 games. However, all we have to be is better than the Rangers, Angels and A’s. That’s our litmus stick for 2007. In order to get there we need a healthy Felix and a lot of luck.
294- I don’t think anyone could complain about a 13 game swing that gets us into the playoffs (your 85 game mark). Everything you said was true but how could it be bad to make the playoffs?
Assume the team does get lucky. Assume they do win the division. Assume the team does get a quick first round exit. Which is better for the long-term welfare of this organization?
Losing 90+, followed by wholesale changes in Front Office?
Getting ‘lucky’, followed by contract renewels in Front Office?
There are solid arguments for both sides of this debate.
#297–Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .let’s see. . .
If the Mariners make the playoffs and see there is “progress” being made on the field and people lining up for playoff tickets, then what do you suppose happens to Hargrove and Bavasi?
And plus, quite honestly what is the point of making the postseason where you don’t even have a team that’s capable of getting hot and making the World Series. If it isn’t a good team, it isn’t a good team. An AL West banner doesn’t really change that.
299- Who knows if the new front office will be any better? True, It would be hard to be any worse but the argument is there. Playoffs don’t mean Bavasi and Hargrove stick around either. Ichiro might stick around and if we go make the playoffs it means we have talent on the team. No matter what the case it is hard to have a winning team and complain about it. Only 1 team wins the World Series a year, it isn’t a new management, get rid of two players, add some free agents kind of easy thing. If you want another 99 loss season so you can pray then next guy is better go for it, I will take a pennant at this point.
#296. I’d be pleased as punch if the M’s win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I’d be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500.
I don’t know about winning the division, but I don’t think you have to dwell much on their W-L record.
According to this calculator, the M’s current Pythagorean winning percentage at end-of-season will be .444, or 72 games (down from 76 games before the Yankee series).
299: Did the Cardinals last year teach you anything? Any team is capable of getting hot and winning the Series.