Comments on: Game 26, Mariners at Yankees http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: pablothegreat http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-7/#comment-181776 pablothegreat Mon, 07 May 2007 12:51:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181776 299: Did the Cardinals last year teach you anything? Any team is capable of getting hot and winning the Series. 299: Did the Cardinals last year teach you anything? Any team is capable of getting hot and winning the Series.

]]> By: Karen http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-7/#comment-181664 Karen Mon, 07 May 2007 02:51:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181664 #296. <em>I'd be pleased as punch if the M's win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I'd be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500.</em> I don't know about winning the division, but I don't think you have to dwell much on their W-L record. According to <a href="http://www.replacementlevel.com/stuff/sg/Pythag.html" rel="nofollow">this calculator</a>, the M's current Pythagorean winning percentage at end-of-season will be .444, or 72 games (down from 76 games before the Yankee series). #296. I’d be pleased as punch if the M’s win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I’d be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500.

I don’t know about winning the division, but I don’t think you have to dwell much on their W-L record.

According to this calculator, the M’s current Pythagorean winning percentage at end-of-season will be .444, or 72 games (down from 76 games before the Yankee series).

]]> By: bhsmarine http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181661 bhsmarine Mon, 07 May 2007 02:38:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181661 299- Who knows if the new front office will be any better? True, It would be hard to be any worse but the argument is there. Playoffs don't mean Bavasi and Hargrove stick around either. Ichiro might stick around and if we go make the playoffs it means we have talent on the team. No matter what the case it is hard to have a winning team and complain about it. Only 1 team wins the World Series a year, it isn't a new management, get rid of two players, add some free agents kind of easy thing. If you want another 99 loss season so you can pray then next guy is better go for it, I will take a pennant at this point. 299- Who knows if the new front office will be any better? True, It would be hard to be any worse but the argument is there. Playoffs don’t mean Bavasi and Hargrove stick around either. Ichiro might stick around and if we go make the playoffs it means we have talent on the team. No matter what the case it is hard to have a winning team and complain about it. Only 1 team wins the World Series a year, it isn’t a new management, get rid of two players, add some free agents kind of easy thing. If you want another 99 loss season so you can pray then next guy is better go for it, I will take a pennant at this point.

]]> By: Tom http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181656 Tom Mon, 07 May 2007 01:56:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181656 #297--Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .let's see. . . If the Mariners make the playoffs and see there is "progress" being made on the field and people lining up for playoff tickets, then what do you suppose happens to Hargrove and Bavasi? And plus, quite honestly what is the point of making the postseason where you don't even have a team that's capable of getting hot and making the World Series. If it isn't a good team, it isn't a good team. An AL West banner doesn't really change that. #297–Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. . .let’s see. . .

If the Mariners make the playoffs and see there is “progress” being made on the field and people lining up for playoff tickets, then what do you suppose happens to Hargrove and Bavasi?

And plus, quite honestly what is the point of making the postseason where you don’t even have a team that’s capable of getting hot and making the World Series. If it isn’t a good team, it isn’t a good team. An AL West banner doesn’t really change that.

]]> By: hub http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181655 hub Mon, 07 May 2007 01:34:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181655 Assume the team does get lucky. Assume they do win the division. Assume the team does get a quick first round exit. Which is better for the long-term welfare of this organization? Losing 90+, followed by wholesale changes in Front Office? Getting 'lucky', followed by contract renewels in Front Office? There are solid arguments for both sides of this debate. Assume the team does get lucky. Assume they do win the division. Assume the team does get a quick first round exit. Which is better for the long-term welfare of this organization?

Losing 90+, followed by wholesale changes in Front Office?
Getting ‘lucky’, followed by contract renewels in Front Office?

There are solid arguments for both sides of this debate.

]]> By: bhsmarine http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181654 bhsmarine Mon, 07 May 2007 01:16:18 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181654 294- I don't think anyone could complain about a 13 game swing that gets us into the playoffs (your 85 game mark). Everything you said was true but how could it be bad to make the playoffs? 294- I don’t think anyone could complain about a 13 game swing that gets us into the playoffs (your 85 game mark). Everything you said was true but how could it be bad to make the playoffs?

]]> By: metz123 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181653 metz123 Mon, 07 May 2007 01:15:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181653 I'd be pleased as punch if the M's win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I'd be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500. Did you guys watch last years playoffs? Any team can get hot, ride an amazing pitcher or have a run of freak luck that get them a WS title. We're not a good team, but luckily for us we play in what is currently an incredibly weak division, with an added side benefit of only having to beat 3 other teams. Yeah, we shouldn't even be on the same field as some of the elite squads in the AL over 162 games. However, all we have to be is better than the Rangers, Angels and A's. That's our litmus stick for 2007. In order to get there we need a healthy Felix and a lot of luck. I’d be pleased as punch if the M’s win the AL West and make it into the playoffs. I’d be doing a happy dance if they were the first team to win the division with a record under .500.

Did you guys watch last years playoffs? Any team can get hot, ride an amazing pitcher or have a run of freak luck that get them a WS title.

We’re not a good team, but luckily for us we play in what is currently an incredibly weak division, with an added side benefit of only having to beat 3 other teams.

Yeah, we shouldn’t even be on the same field as some of the elite squads in the AL over 162 games. However, all we have to be is better than the Rangers, Angels and A’s. That’s our litmus stick for 2007. In order to get there we need a healthy Felix and a lot of luck.

]]> By: Tom http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181652 Tom Mon, 07 May 2007 00:48:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181652 *0-2 vs. Red Sox without Felix *0-2 vs. Red Sox without Felix

]]> By: Tom http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181651 Tom Mon, 07 May 2007 00:47:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181651 I swear, this has to be the most deceiving 13-13 record I've ever seen. I mean, lets not kid ourselves here. When we play the teams in this league that matter like the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, and Twins. Can we win or even show we deserve to be on the same field as them? It doesn't seem that way so far. Subtract the game Felix pitched against the Red Sox and the Mariners are: 1-2 vs. Red Sox 1-2 vs. Yankees 0-3 vs. Angels 1-2 vs. Twins This team can't hit, pitch, be managed correctly, and now it appears we have some defensive problems we have to work out. This team thinks they are good enough to win a wide open AL West, but what accomplishment would that be if they snuck into the playoffs with 85 or so wins only to get swept in Round 1 by Boston or New York? This team will call this 13-13 record progress, I call it an excuse for not performing better and having this team not prepared to be better going into the season by the F.O. I just hope we are in the middle of the losing streak that gets Hargrove and Bavasi canned. I swear, this has to be the most deceiving 13-13 record I’ve ever seen. I mean, lets not kid ourselves here.

When we play the teams in this league that matter like the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, and Twins. Can we win or even show we deserve to be on the same field as them? It doesn’t seem that way so far. Subtract the game Felix pitched against the Red Sox and the Mariners are:

1-2 vs. Red Sox
1-2 vs. Yankees
0-3 vs. Angels
1-2 vs. Twins

This team can’t hit, pitch, be managed correctly, and now it appears we have some defensive problems we have to work out. This team thinks they are good enough to win a wide open AL West, but what accomplishment would that be if they snuck into the playoffs with 85 or so wins only to get swept in Round 1 by Boston or New York?

This team will call this 13-13 record progress, I call it an excuse for not performing better and having this team not prepared to be better going into the season by the F.O.

I just hope we are in the middle of the losing streak that gets Hargrove and Bavasi canned.

]]> By: Tom http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/comment-page-6/#comment-181650 Tom Mon, 07 May 2007 00:39:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/06/game-26-mariners-at-yankees/#comment-181650 #276-Anyone seen Cousin Eddie? #276-Anyone seen Cousin Eddie?

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