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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/08/line-up-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-182231</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this just goes to show that the &quot;logic&quot; which underlies the whole idea of &quot;protection&quot; is really just a tangled mass of assumptions and guesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this just goes to show that the &#8220;logic&#8221; which underlies the whole idea of &#8220;protection&#8221; is really just a tangled mass of assumptions and guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Elmer</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/08/line-up-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-182224</link>
		<dc:creator>Slippery Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 &lt;strong&gt;Spanky&lt;/strong&gt; &amp; #16 &lt;strong&gt;scraps&lt;/strong&gt;:

I think Spanky had ir right.  To me, pitchers think they&#039;ll get an automatic out with Sexson coming up, so they&#039;ll &quot;pitch carefully,&quot; knowing that if they walk the guys ahead of him, Sexson won&#039;t be able to drive them in.  

But in #16, the logic is backward.  I&#039;d think if Sexson &lt;em&gt;were&lt;/em&gt; hot, pitchers would bear down more, not &quot;pitch carefully.&quot;  To me, &quot;pitching carefully&quot; would not avoid extra baserunners, it might actually generate more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 <strong>Spanky</strong> &amp; #16 <strong>scraps</strong>:</p>
<p>I think Spanky had ir right.  To me, pitchers think they&#8217;ll get an automatic out with Sexson coming up, so they&#8217;ll &#8220;pitch carefully,&#8221; knowing that if they walk the guys ahead of him, Sexson won&#8217;t be able to drive them in.  </p>
<p>But in #16, the logic is backward.  I&#8217;d think if Sexson <em>were</em> hot, pitchers would bear down more, not &#8220;pitch carefully.&#8221;  To me, &#8220;pitching carefully&#8221; would not avoid extra baserunners, it might actually generate more.</p>
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		<title>By: scraps</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/08/line-up-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-182217</link>
		<dc:creator>scraps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, spanky, I didn&#039;t mean to sound rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, spanky, I didn&#8217;t mean to sound rude.</p>
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		<title>By: mpriest13</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpriest13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

yeah, if you look at Sexson’s career numbers he’s a July-Sept monster — so, conveniently, he gets hot right after the trading deadline. If you were going to trade him when his stock was high, it would have been right after his blistering August and September last season. Of course, a smart manager in a pennant race would trade peanuts for him in July with the expectation he was going to get hot, and Bavasi being another kind of manager, might take that trade.

&lt;blockquote&gt;




MLB general managers don&#039;t work like that.  They won&#039;t look at Sexson&#039;s slow start and say the his value has diminished.  They don&#039;t look at such small sample sizes. I bet these exact same discussions had this time last year and he finished the season pretty close to his career averages.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, if you look at Sexson’s career numbers he’s a July-Sept monster — so, conveniently, he gets hot right after the trading deadline. If you were going to trade him when his stock was high, it would have been right after his blistering August and September last season. Of course, a smart manager in a pennant race would trade peanuts for him in July with the expectation he was going to get hot, and Bavasi being another kind of manager, might take that trade.</p>
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<p>MLB general managers don&#8217;t work like that.  They won&#8217;t look at Sexson&#8217;s slow start and say the his value has diminished.  They don&#8217;t look at such small sample sizes. I bet these exact same discussions had this time last year and he finished the season pretty close to his career averages.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Spanky</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/08/line-up-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-182211</link>
		<dc:creator>Spanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...you think you could once slip in a lame anecdotal comment every once in a while.  Regardless...the rest of my post still stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;you think you could once slip in a lame anecdotal comment every once in a while.  Regardless&#8230;the rest of my post still stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariners_World_Series_Bound</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/08/line-up-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-182209</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariners_World_Series_Bound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think maybe you underestimate Johjima. He batted over .291 with 18 dingers and over 70 rbi batting in the lower part of the lineup last year. He&#039;s currently on the same kind of pace this season. 

Is it because he doesn&#039;t walk enough? I don&#039;t believe putting Beltre in the third spot is going to remedy the situation more than Johjima would. We all saw what he did in the 3rd spot given the opportunity. He didn&#039;t fare well, to say the least. 

I think Joh could be a very productive 3 hole hitter, and he demonstrated that in his first game there yesterday, knocking home the tying run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think maybe you underestimate Johjima. He batted over .291 with 18 dingers and over 70 rbi batting in the lower part of the lineup last year. He&#8217;s currently on the same kind of pace this season. </p>
<p>Is it because he doesn&#8217;t walk enough? I don&#8217;t believe putting Beltre in the third spot is going to remedy the situation more than Johjima would. We all saw what he did in the 3rd spot given the opportunity. He didn&#8217;t fare well, to say the least. </p>
<p>I think Joh could be a very productive 3 hole hitter, and he demonstrated that in his first game there yesterday, knocking home the tying run.</p>
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		<title>By: scraps</title>
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		<dc:creator>scraps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Opposing pitchers see him as a “break” through the order and are pitching more carefully to Ibañez and Guillen (bringing down their numbers).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So you&#039;re saying that Sexson is anti-protecting Ibanez and Guillen?  I doubt this effect exists any more than protection effects exist.

You might say with just as much logic that if Sexson were hitting well that pitchers would also pitch more carefully to Ibanez and Guillen, to avoid extra baserunners.</description>
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Opposing pitchers see him as a “break” through the order and are pitching more carefully to Ibañez and Guillen (bringing down their numbers).
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<p>So you&#8217;re saying that Sexson is anti-protecting Ibanez and Guillen?  I doubt this effect exists any more than protection effects exist.</p>
<p>You might say with just as much logic that if Sexson were hitting well that pitchers would also pitch more carefully to Ibanez and Guillen, to avoid extra baserunners.</p>
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		<title>By: Spanky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the changes overall.  I disagree with you on Sexson.  Looking at his April BA/OBP/OPS over the past three-five years, he is seriously down in all categories.  I think he rebounds some, but not enough to justify a spot at #4 in the lineup.  I think he ends the season at .240/.300/.450.  Opposing pitchers see him as a &quot;break&quot; through the order and are pitching more carefully to Ibañez and Guillen (bringing down their numbers).

What I would do:
Vs LHP: Ichiro-Lopez-Beltre-Guillen-Johjima-Sexson-Ibanez-Vidro-Betancourt
Vs RHP: Ichiro-Ibanez-Beltre-Broussard-Guillen-Johjima-Sexson-Lopez-Betancourt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the changes overall.  I disagree with you on Sexson.  Looking at his April BA/OBP/OPS over the past three-five years, he is seriously down in all categories.  I think he rebounds some, but not enough to justify a spot at #4 in the lineup.  I think he ends the season at .240/.300/.450.  Opposing pitchers see him as a &#8220;break&#8221; through the order and are pitching more carefully to Ibañez and Guillen (bringing down their numbers).</p>
<p>What I would do:<br />
Vs LHP: Ichiro-Lopez-Beltre-Guillen-Johjima-Sexson-Ibanez-Vidro-Betancourt<br />
Vs RHP: Ichiro-Ibanez-Beltre-Broussard-Guillen-Johjima-Sexson-Lopez-Betancourt</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, if you look at Sexson&#039;s career numbers he&#039;s a July-Sept monster -- so, conveniently, he gets hot right &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; the trading deadline.  If you were going to trade him when his stock was high, it would have been right after his blistering August and September last season.  Of course, a smart manager in a pennant race would trade peanuts for him in July with the expectation he was going to get hot, and Bavasi being another kind of manager, might take that trade.

I was thinking Sexson was having a historically bad start this year -- and he is, even for him, though this year Kornerko and Delgado are right there with him, and Ryan Howard isn&#039;t much better -- but actually he only has to hit ~.285 in the 500 or so ABs he has over the rest of the season to bring his average up to where you would expect.  It&#039;s hard to believe he fell off a cliff between October and April; and I can&#039;t believe he starts every season hitting balls right at guys and then gets luckier as the weather gets warmer.  I don&#039;t know if it takes a while for him to get his eye back, or to get his swing co-ordinated again, or what, but given that this seems to be an annual occurance should he be working with a hitting coach all winter to try to stay in that late-season groove?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, if you look at Sexson&#8217;s career numbers he&#8217;s a July-Sept monster &#8212; so, conveniently, he gets hot right <i>after</i> the trading deadline.  If you were going to trade him when his stock was high, it would have been right after his blistering August and September last season.  Of course, a smart manager in a pennant race would trade peanuts for him in July with the expectation he was going to get hot, and Bavasi being another kind of manager, might take that trade.</p>
<p>I was thinking Sexson was having a historically bad start this year &#8212; and he is, even for him, though this year Kornerko and Delgado are right there with him, and Ryan Howard isn&#8217;t much better &#8212; but actually he only has to hit ~.285 in the 500 or so ABs he has over the rest of the season to bring his average up to where you would expect.  It&#8217;s hard to believe he fell off a cliff between October and April; and I can&#8217;t believe he starts every season hitting balls right at guys and then gets luckier as the weather gets warmer.  I don&#8217;t know if it takes a while for him to get his eye back, or to get his swing co-ordinated again, or what, but given that this seems to be an annual occurance should he be working with a hitting coach all winter to try to stay in that late-season groove?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he gets red-hot in May and June, brings his numbers back up, and the team simultaneously falls out of the race, I could see him being dealt in July.  But it&#039;s a longshot, because if he&#039;s tearing the cover off the ball, this team is probably winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he gets red-hot in May and June, brings his numbers back up, and the team simultaneously falls out of the race, I could see him being dealt in July.  But it&#8217;s a longshot, because if he&#8217;s tearing the cover off the ball, this team is probably winning.</p>
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