Game 31, Yankees at Mariners
DMZ · May 11, 2007 at 6:32 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Darrell Rasner v Jarrod Washburn! 7:05, FSN.
Heyyyy, it’s Josh Phelps again! What’s up, Josh?
M’s offer their new standard lineup:
CF-L Ichiro
DH-B Turbo
LF-L Ibanez
1B-R Sexson
RF-R Guillen
3B-R Beltre
C-R Johjima
SS-R Betancourt
2B-R Lopez
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#149
Must have something to do with the brand new “Indian Burial Ground Pet Shop.”
#150: It was loud and exciting, but it didn’t even come close to those games in the mid-’90’s-early ’00’s games we had against them. Heck, those were not only games. Those were events.
And my god, I will never ever forget going to those playoff games in ’95 (even though I was in the nosebleeds).
Back then we didn’t need scoreboard and musical cues and American Idol finalists to get us fired up, we did that on our own and then some. I just hope once Bavasi gets fired we can get back to that point. I honestly think we can considering we have a pretty good nucleus as it is, but we are going to need to do much better in free agency and trades to finish assembling this team the way it should be assembeled.
Washburn is, and always has been, a solid, professional big league pitcher. We are damn lucky to have him.
not sure how a guy who left 8 guys on base can deserve an 8 inning shut out.
i only managed to catch the last three innings but like the rest of the year i noticed that jarrod seems to be pitching on the corners much more and when he misses its barely outside. i think the 8th inning is the perfect example of this.
Re: #153
I’m confused how any team can be “lucky” to have a player who got paid (and reportedly far overpaid compared to any other team) $9 million a year to pitch.
But again, like with the A-Rod discussion earlier, I don’t blame the man for signing the contract. I can however blame the team that decided it would be a good value.
Well, I just got finished reading 149 posts to this thread, about 50 of which were about the game and 100 were about WHETHER OR NOT MARINER FANS SHOULD STILL BE BOOING A-ROD.
This is a fruitless discussion, because people just boo if they don’t like something. They don’t have to explain it. They don’t have to have a good reason. Booing is just something fans do if they want to. It’s a way of voicing an opinion, and even if you disagree with that opinion, what’s the point of trying to convince them not to boo? Yer not going to change their minds with your hard-hitting reasoning. A lot of Ms fans just don’t like A-Rod. There’s a million reasons why they might not like him, and I think they have every right to their opinion. This is a blog, people, you don’t have to base everything 100 percent on logic or statistics. Am I right, or am I right?
Oh, and DMZ, you were totally wrong about the umpire thing last night. Life is not perfect, and neither is baseball. That’s why we love it.
#155
Every player out there is overpaid. In a perfect world teachers would make more than athletes.
In the real world we are damn lucky to have Jarrod Washburn. Now we need three more dependable starters.
Y’know, since he grew the goatee, Hargrove seems to be making fewer bad decisions.
Maybe there’s something to that. It worked for Spock, afterall. Perhaps he’s been replaced by a replicant/android/Evil Hargrove who happens to less resemble an acognitive lump?
And Washburn did look good, with that cutter slicing in on the hands of the RH batters. On some of those strikeouts he looked a little Mariano Rivera, actually. Oh, if only he could do that every game….
Oh, if only he could do that every game….
He has done that every game this year.
Its OK to root for players Bavasi signs.
156- You are exactly right. Booing is the voicing of your opinion about a player based on their attitude, effort, performance, or misc item that irriates you. You have a right to that opinion. Your opnion does not mean you are right. People that disagree with you are not right. For example, I will boo AROD until I do not see him play again. I will cheer Griffey when he comes to Seattle. So what, right?
#159 – Here’s Washburn’s LOB% for the past 3 full seasons and thus far in 2007, along with the respective ERAs. Tell me if you see a correlation:
2004 – 69.7% (4.64)
2005 – 81.8% (3.20)
2006 – 69.8% (4.67)
2007 – 76.7% (3.18 – prior to tonight’s start)
Would you agree that there appears to be a direct correlation between his ERA and the LOB% for the years shown?
That being stated, would you also deem it reasonable to say that he has little control over that LOB%? Based on how sporadic the numbers are, I would say that he has little-to-no control over this metric and the accompanying correlation.
And this doesn’t even begin to discuss his completely non-sustainable 10.6% LD% this year (going into tonight’s start). Even Johan Santana’s LD%’s from the last 3 full years are nowhere near that low (they range around 16-19%) and I think we can all agree than Santana >>>> Washburn.
You state that we’re lucky to have Washburn. Thus far in 2007, I’d say Washburn has been lucky, period.
Oh, and also, I worked out the M’s signs thanks to DMZ’s book. Rather, I figured out the steal sign and the “ignore everything I just told you” sign.
Helps when they’re only telling Ichiro to steal.
Yup. Washburn’s success is a pure luck. When he faces a real team….
Seems like Wash is throwing more breaking balls lately and having good success.
Remember when he used to throw 80% fastballs? Yeah…
This team is hard to figure out. One night they pitch great and hit and another night, Jeff Weaver pitches.
BTW , can we get a nickname for Putz????
how about MR AUTOMATIC?
M’s win, and that is good for all involved. Although this may be off topic and possibly euphoria induced: I truly appreciate what you boys at USSM are doing to update the site. I know that it is not an easy process, but hopefully an M’s win can help facilitate an easier transition period.
Dave, DMZ and all the others: you have done a tremendous job at maintaining this site.
Re: #163
I’m sure Dave will go over Washburn in a whole lot more detail later Saturday. But no one in here is stupid enough to say that Washburn sucks and he’s only been lucky. But it’s possible to be good and lucky as much as it’s possible to just be only good.
Washburn’s been good, his strikeout numbers compared to his walks and the number of groundballs he’s induced are a good sign of that. But he’s also been lucky with his line drive rate and his left on base percentage. The way’s he pitching right now he doesn’t have to be lucky to look good, but the combination is certainly impressing.
Washburn is well on his way to equaling or bettering his 2005 performance.
I know the measurements and statistical data say otherwise, but who’s to say 2007 won’t be another exception?
I’m rooting for an exception.
BTW, you put Johjima in the 3rd spot in the lineup and the Mariners probably have a couple more runs today. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome, just saying Grover’s incompetence continues to show by not batting Johjima higher in the lineup on a more regular basis.
Is Ibanez any better of a hitter than Johjima?
165
Isn’t Putz’s nickname “The Wolverine”, because he went to Michigan?
Re 146,
This was a pretty good game from Washburn. Heck, it’s a good game from anybody. He did get some help one a couple of really good defensive plays and one bad ump call in our favor. But overall, it was a good good piece of work.
I would say J-Wash’s best pitching performance for us was probably his first game last year against the Angels when he went 7 IP gave up 2 runs but struck out 7. He had an 8-5 GB:FB ratio that game and walked nobody. He did give up a longball tho.
When we attempt to judge Jarrod Washburn by his left on base %, we need to keep in mind that the last 4 years he’s been hitting extremes, both good and bad (not many pitchers would be world beaters with a 69% LOB%), in that category. Its not as if his 69% LOB% is the “true” Jarrod Washburn. 69% is pretty damned unlucky.
This year we’re getting a “lucky” season out of Jarrod Washburn. It doesn’t mean that Washburn is suddenly a true #2 starter, but it doesn’t mean we should avoid enjoying his success either.
I pretty much already know what Dave is going to say about Washburn. I’ve been around here enough to look at the results, the stats, and see how well it projects for the rest of the season. I know what to look for, and I know trends and league averages for things.
I’m not going to steal Dave’s thunder by saying anything more except that… these last couple of games by Washburn have been some of his best stuff in years. He looked a lot more like 2002 Washburn tonight, and it was fun to see.
One last thing: Too bad no “honest” Yanks fans have stopped in here, but they’d tell you part of the outcome of Washburn’s night was the lineup he was facing.
Yeah, I know I said in the subsequent blog entry by Dave that I was surprised that Washburn wasn’t destroyed every time he faced the heart of the Yanks’ order, but…
…those guys are definitely not hitting on all cylinders, and quite a few of them haven’t been for at least a couple of weeks.
Cano hasn’t all season so far. He’s ‘WAY less selective that he was last season/pitchers have adjusted. ARod isn’t getting fastballs on the outside of the plate as much as he was in April. Abreu…not even Yanks fans know what’s happened to Abreu, but pitchers have figured out that he’s “patient” and pitch accordingly.
The “excuse” for their poor showing offensively offered at the Yanks’ MLB.com site is this:
I don’t know how many times I’ve read that excuse, but obviously it hasn’t dawned on the writer that the MARINERS also had that cross-country flight, and they too were beat soundly in Detroit by their own pitcher as well as the Tigers.