Game 32, Yankees at Mariners
7:05, KSTW. DeSalvo v Batista.
AL starters, as a group: 4.73 ERA, 944 IP, 1031 H, 124 HR, 309 BB, 637 K
or 1.03 H/IP, .13 HR/IP, .33 BB/IP, .67 K/IP
Batista: 5.70 ERA, 36.1 IP (36.3), 44 H, 6 HR, 9 BB, 21 K
or 1.2 H/IP, .17 HR/IP, .25 BB/IP, .58 K/IP
That doesn’t include park adjustments, defense, or anything. Now, that seems like it’s not far off an average starter. But the ERA would make him a below-average starter in Tampa Bay (worst ERA in MLB), the strikeout rate is right in line with the 2nd-worst team in baseball at striking out opposing batters (the Mariners), and the home run rate… well, the team that’s given up the most home runs, Toronto, has a rate about 10% lower.
What I’m saying is that while Batista hasn’t given up 90 runs in the first inning to attract a lot of attention to himself, he isn’t good. He’s not even average. He kind of sucks so far, in fact, and there’s no way the M’s signed him to a three year, $25m deal for him to put up these kind of numbers.
DeSalvo’s last good season, if you’re curious, was in 2005, when in the second of three stints in Trenton he put up some decent numbers. Their rotation essentially wiped out from by injuries and Igawa’s ineffectiveness, the Yankees have been throwing out guys like Rasner (with 5 starts, he’s behind only Andy Pettitte), Chase Wright, Jeff Karstens, and tonight, DeSalvo. As a unit, their cannon fodder has been more effective than HoRam, Weaver, and Batista, who combined cost the Mariners over $18m (and Rafael Soriano).
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It would seem that the Yankees may dig down deep enough to give Tyler “The Yankee” Clippard a shot.
Willie Boom-Boom gets the start at short. It’s only a matter of time until he collects career funk blast #5.
Batista’s career numbers BABIP and LD% numbers indicate that he’s just a flat out average pitcher. The ERA numbers and such will more than likely come down to a 4.50 rate.
Not good, not bad, just average. Probably not a good #3 pitcher, but not a horrible #4,5 pitcher.
3 years, 25 million is unjustifiable for a pitcher of his calibur though.
huh? Zito’s pitching???
Don’t see many 7 PM Saturday games. Generally they fall in the day or at least start earlier, no?
Being the Yankees, shouldn’t we be surprised it didn’t start 7pm EST?
The Yankees’ desperation for pitching reminds me a little of the 1992 Mariners. That year, Seattle opened the season with Dave Fleming (very good), Randy Johnson (not yet a god), Erik Hanson (good but wobbly), Brian Fisher (47 walks, 26 Ks in 91 innings) and Rich DeLucia (very DeLucia) in the rotation.
Others to start for the M’s as injuries and ineffectiveness struck:
— Mark Grant (10 starts, much worse than his 3.89 ERA would indicate)
— Tim Leary (30 walks, 12 Ks in 44 innings)
— The late Russ Swan (on his way out; 4.74 ERA, 1-1 K/W ratio)
— Clay Parker (7.56 ERA in six starts, in his second Seattle go-round)
— Randy Kramer (7.71 ERA, averaged four innings per start)
Also starting games for that 64-98 squad: Mike Walker (7.36 ERA), Juan Agosto, Calvin Jones and Kerry Woodson (11 walks in 13 innings).
I was only 26 going on 27 then. I coulda helped. Or at least hurt no worse.
Associated Press stories we never thought we’d see:
“PHILADELPHIA (AP) — For one game, Greg Dobbs eased the loss of Ryan Howard.
Dobbs bailed out a decimated bullpen with a career day filling in for the injured NL MVP, leading the Philadelphia Phillies over the Chicago Cubs 11-7 on Saturday.
Making his fifth start this season, Dobbs was 4-for-4, including a go-ahead two-run triple in the seventh inning.”
Dave Sims’ head continues to grow.
Dave Fleming…what might have been. According to Wikipedia,
“He now currently works as a teacher and pitching instructor for all star Batting Academy owned by former uconn baseball player Kevin Gilroy.”
He’s also a fifth-grade teacher.
d’oh…batista should have had that one…
The booing doesn’t seem to be as loud tonight.
nice!
1st bad call goes the mariners way.
Poor Yankees never get a call
wow, did Ichi’s rep beat out Jeter’s rep?
wow Vidro..two fastballs right down the middle and you look at them..are they pretty?
Curse you Vidro.
turbolicious.
that play by Jeter sure got a lot of happy squeals
so, are there any Seattle-area stores that sell out-of-favor electronics? I have a father looking for a small tv/vcr combo, which are oddly hard to find these days.
Turbo’s now on pace to ground into 26 doubles play this year.
He’s also on pace for 13 extra base hits. I can’t imagine anyone has ever gone an entire season with twice as many GIDPs as XBH.
I really hope we don’t make this pitcher look good again
damnit home fans
THROW THAT GUY OUT OF THERE!!
At least boo him mercilessly
Seriously…. that guy must’ve been a Yankee fan.
Does anybody else hate those cheap looking polyester caps?
stupid fan!
and thank you clueless fan.
%$#ing fan.
of course, Miguel isn’t helping either.
And Batista starts to look rattled.
Any one else want a dive there by Ichiro??? Maybe it was the right play holding the double play up but…I thought he had a chance at that ball. Griffey probably lays out there, anyone worried that Ichiro has Contractitis?
With DeSalvo pitching this game might be over
ugh
It appears that acute sucktasticitis is a contagious condition.
32-Ichiro hardly ever dives….he plays good defense but doesn’t risk himself like a Griffy or Eric Byrnes. Hell, Byrnes would dive headfirst into a concrete wall if a baseball was gonna land there
#32
Totally agree. That ball was hanging up there begging for an effort. But Ichiro only plays when he feels like it. Kind of like Randy Moss.
I wish we could DL Horam and Batista too..this is gross to watch
wow…
and now the Yankees fans are louder than M’s fans…great..its turned into a homegame. I hate you Batista and Bavasi
When does Batting Practice end…and the Game begin?
This is getting painful to watch. I thought we sent Weaver to the DL? Did he tranfer his soul into Batista?
I had an inclination he may have been into witchcraft.
We seem to have a positive epidemic of shoulder tendonitis running through the Mariners starting line up.
Dave’s eyes…..not so good.
Neihaus is a poor lost soul in the booth…someone just needs to make him retire
the yankee guys just said the ball park was one of the reasons that pay-rod left seattle…correct me if i’m wrong, but didn’t they partially design it to his abilities/wishes in an attempt to make him happy/stay?
Payrod left the Mariners for one reason: $$$$$$$.
I was really hoping that Bastista’s last two performances weren’t flukes.
Meatballs! I got ya meatballs heeRAH!
He left for more money? Now that I’d never heard. How contemptible. How better we are.
I’ll bet he lied about it, too.
Yes! Everything you’ve heard about Alex is true! No matter how terrible!
Here comes da BOOM!
A-Rod is a right handed hitter. Nothing about SafeCo was designed around the wishes of right handed hitters.
And Batista, though not really as bad as his performance tonight, is not worth 3/$25M. Good grief, if $8M/yr the going rate for back of the rotation veteran starters now?
bastista, ho-ram, weaver…..Bavasi needs to be fired! Why can’t the m’s see how horrible these desicions are already!!
i feel sick inside just thinking about these 3 pitchers
Is Eric O’Flaherty a potential starter or is he condemned to walk the face of the earth as a middle reliever?
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He was originally drafted as a possible starter, but he was injured throughout his early minor league years, and I believe the organization decided that a relief role would be the best way to keep him healthy.
The “all you can eat” buffet at the Long Ball Lounge makes me think that that amount would be pretty low, actually. That is one unappealing buffet.
Thanks….he’s looking like he’s a better option than any of our other 4 #5 starters.
That was a pentagon, not a rhombus.
One of the things I like about Sims, and time will tell if this is real, or what, but he sounds a hundred times less rehearsed, like he’s having a good time just being in the box, even if his straight man is Blowers. That comment about Cleveland made me crack up.
Sims is kind of a dork but it’s been a breath of fresh air.
Kind of? lol… but yeah I like him too
That was a very gritty walk. Bloomquist is such a patient hitter.
So Dream Weaver’s FIP is 5.35 & xFIP is 4.9
HoRam’s FIP is 4.97 & his xFIP is 5.74
The general consensus I’m seeing is the jury is still out on HoRam, but Weaver’s signing has been written off as a complete abortion.
Yet it would appear using xFIP you could argue that HoRam is worse than Weaver. Is this a flaw with xFIP, because it doesn’t seem like too many people are lining up to make that argument.
If you aren’t in the general area of a major league pitcher, your [x]FIP will not be accurate.
I could go out there and pitch 20 innings and my ERA would probably be in the hundreds, my [x]FIP, not nearly as bad.
How do you walk Bloomquist on four pitches and give Vidro a 3/4 night with 2 of his 3 doubles on the season?
pablothegreat’s comment affects in-game commentary!
Blowers, bless his heart, was still unconvinced
That was a very girly throw, George.
That’s because Blowers believes that numbers all even out. So a figure can’t have any number of sides… it’ll round off soon
Great Ghost of Steve Sax, what was that?
On Dave Sims and Mike Blowers:
The only thing I care about is if I can answer in the affirmative to this question–Are Sims and Blowers significantly better than Rizza and Hendu? The answer to that question is clearly “Yes,” so I’m happy with them.
I mean Rizzs.
[Rizzs]
Sims: “Fastball … struck him out!” Flash to radar reading: 79 MPH. I pray for Reitsma sake that wasn’t his fastball.
Too much grit in Willie’s glove.
Willie! The scorekeeper called that a base hit? That was an error.
[insert gritty comment here]
that was clearly not a fastball – he was so far ahead of it.
another fastball by reitsma!
Is it alright if we actually do something w/ RISP today?
Now that another rookie, no namer is out of the game, we should have a shot.
SIGH
Ugh
Why did I even bother to ask?
Hmmmm… well that kind of sucked. At least that L was a team effort.
The general consensus I’m seeing is the jury is still out on HoRam, but Weaver’s signing has been written off as a complete abortion.
Actually, the general consensus around my house is that HoRam is a disaster and Weaver is just a failed roll of the dice. HoRam cost us a good reliever. Weaver cost a bunch of money that the team obviously wasn’t going to spend on anything useful anyway. Next year, Weaver is 100% off the books and we pay no further for him, but Soriano will still be in a Braves uniform.
I think it was possible Weaver could have turned out to be a decent #4 or #5. He had been a functional ML pitcher previously in his career, but clearly he’d lost too much velocity on his fastball (maybe he really is hurt and they aren’t just playing roster games with the DL stint). For $8M, he would have been way overpriced even if he had worked out, but it was a one year deal signed late enough that there wasn’t anyone else left worth that money, and if they didn’t spend it in 2007, I doubt it would have been added to the 2008 budget.
HoRam has very little chance of ever being anything better than replacement level, and they gave up a good reliever to get him. With Soriano gone, the M’s then had to bring Morrow up as the RH setup guy instead of leaving him in Tacoma to work on becoming a profession Starter. I’m not as pessimistic as Dave about Morrow’s ultimate future as a starter, but at this point even if he does convert back to starting, it’s unlikely he’ll be ready for the rotation in 2008, and we desperately need starters (duh). HoRam has ended up costing us a reliever and a starter, and he has no more upside than Baek, or any of a dozen marginal starters wandering between teams.
Sorry, what were we talking about?
What 82 said.
Well, I must say that watching Batista pitch was like “Groundhog Day.”
EVERY SINGLE PITCH was a BELT HIGH FASTBALL.
It’s truly amazing that Bavasi’s acquisitions of Batista, HoRam, and Weaver have actually made the roto WORSE than before when we had Meche and Pineiro.
Someone please fire this man NOW.
Howard Lincoln goes first, word is the folks back in Japan aren’t real happy with how he is running their franchise.
Then Bavasi
Then Grover
New GM Lee Pelekoudas
I am also very worried about the rotation, but how about talking about the future rather than the past?
What are the right moves now? Dumping Weaver and giving Baek a real shot is a good move.
How many more chances do Batista and HoRam get? If you give up on them what are your options? Woods? Morrow?, Feierabend? O’Flaherty? Are there realistic trades out there?
msb: so, are there any Seattle-area stores that sell out-of-favor electronics? I have a father looking for a small tv/vcr combo, which are oddly hard to find these days.
I have an extra and available 13″ all-in-one TV/VCR with remote, white case, that my nephew is currently using b/c his old TV broke down (i.e., barely used), but his mom is getting him a flat screen TV for HS graduation. It cost me ~$100.
Trouble is, it’s here with me on the north coast of Oregon. Long way to go for a $100 TV….
SAFECO wasn’t designed for anyone with a bat in his hand. (See # 45, # 51, and others.)
The early spin exhulted in the cavernous character of the place, carrying on about the resurrection of the three-base hit.
(See also the following column:
http://tinyurl.com/2jvn6b
[Some think that it was purposely designed that way to discourage high-priced free agent hitters from wanting to come here.]
Shipping might be a bitch, but there’s no lack of them on Amazon. Also, if you don’t mind “pre-owned” you might try Craigslist — there are a couple on there right now in the Seattle area for ~$20.
I saw all the ones on Amazon, etc. but they seem to be ‘re-conditioned’, and as that is what he has right now, prob. not all that much of an upgrade