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	<title>Comments on: 20 Percent Grades &#8211; The Offense</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184137</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this thread is officially closed.  Please don&#039;t feed the trolls.

M_W_S_B, stop trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this thread is officially closed.  Please don&#8217;t feed the trolls.</p>
<p>M_W_S_B, stop trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariners_World_Series_Bound</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariners_World_Series_Bound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve cited 2 more examples than you have. So if you want to have an intelligent debate then you should contribute something concrete to the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve cited 2 more examples than you have. So if you want to have an intelligent debate then you should contribute something concrete to the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184133</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mariners_World_Series_Bound is the worst commenter ever at trolling in their first month.

If you don&#039;t believe me, you go do the legwork to prove me wrong, because while I know I&#039;m 10,000% smarter than you, I can&#039;t be bothered to prove how infintely larger my brain is than yours.

In the end, though, I&#039;m right, and those who question me hate America and hate freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariners_World_Series_Bound is the worst commenter ever at trolling in their first month.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe me, you go do the legwork to prove me wrong, because while I know I&#8217;m 10,000% smarter than you, I can&#8217;t be bothered to prove how infintely larger my brain is than yours.</p>
<p>In the end, though, I&#8217;m right, and those who question me hate America and hate freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Clapper</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Clapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>144: Before I actually waste time trying to dig out such stats, can you define for me EXACTLY what stats you want? I don&#039;t want to come back with stats that prove you wrong yet again only to have you say, &quot;No, no, I meant only stats covering April 2 through May 13 for a player moving to DH from the Washington Nationals.&quot; So... what should I base this research on? First 30 games as a DH? Something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>144: Before I actually waste time trying to dig out such stats, can you define for me EXACTLY what stats you want? I don&#8217;t want to come back with stats that prove you wrong yet again only to have you say, &#8220;No, no, I meant only stats covering April 2 through May 13 for a player moving to DH from the Washington Nationals.&#8221; So&#8230; what should I base this research on? First 30 games as a DH? Something else?</p>
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		<title>By: Beniitec</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184130</link>
		<dc:creator>Beniitec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HILARIOUS... I&#039;m waiting to hear...nana nana nana...my stats are more accurate than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HILARIOUS&#8230; I&#8217;m waiting to hear&#8230;nana nana nana&#8230;my stats are more accurate than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-4/#comment-184126</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;If you don’t believe my statement then prove me wrong. &lt;/b&gt;

No. Not how it&#039;s done.

&lt;b&gt; It’s as simple as that.  &lt;/b&gt;
 
Yes, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>If you don’t believe my statement then prove me wrong. </b></p>
<p>No. Not how it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p><b> It’s as simple as that.  </b></p>
<p>Yes, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-184124</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>145.

If you&#039;ll notice, there are no +s or -s in Dave&#039;s grades. Probably because grading on the roster on a scale of 5 possible grades is much quicker and less nitpicky than grading on a scale of 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>145.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll notice, there are no +s or -s in Dave&#8217;s grades. Probably because grading on the roster on a scale of 5 possible grades is much quicker and less nitpicky than grading on a scale of 13.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariners_World_Series_Bound</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-184123</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariners_World_Series_Bound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t believe my statement then prove me wrong. It&#039;s as simple as that. 

I&#039;m right, and shouldn&#039;t be questioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t believe my statement then prove me wrong. It&#8217;s as simple as that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m right, and shouldn&#8217;t be questioned.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckm792</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-184122</link>
		<dc:creator>chuckm792</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#130: They are grading players WHO MAKE AN OFFENSIVE CONTRIBUTION (as opposed to pitchers, who ONLY make defensive contributions in the AL), not grading only offense.  Players&#039; overall contributions to the team, encompassing both their offensive AND defensive qualities, are factored together to create a mean grade FOR THE POSITION.  If a DH has no defensive contribution, it does not affect his grade as a DH, because DHs in general do not make defensive contributions.  A DH who only hits singles, does not score runs, and does not drive in runs should be considered a below-average because he doesn&#039;t make any substantial contributions to the team as a whole.  A position player who does all the same things but also plays Gold Glove defense can be edged up to above average because he is taking runs away from opposing teams.  A DH who is hitting doubles, scoring runs and racking up RBIs?  That DH would get an A, because that is what a DH is supposed to be doing.

I agree the original post could be poorly worded; for precision it should read something like &quot;Here are the offensive players (or &#039;Here are the position players&#039;) graded on their overall performance, both defensively and offensively - we&#039;ll do the pitching in another post...&quot; But that&#039;s just semantics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#130: They are grading players WHO MAKE AN OFFENSIVE CONTRIBUTION (as opposed to pitchers, who ONLY make defensive contributions in the AL), not grading only offense.  Players&#8217; overall contributions to the team, encompassing both their offensive AND defensive qualities, are factored together to create a mean grade FOR THE POSITION.  If a DH has no defensive contribution, it does not affect his grade as a DH, because DHs in general do not make defensive contributions.  A DH who only hits singles, does not score runs, and does not drive in runs should be considered a below-average because he doesn&#8217;t make any substantial contributions to the team as a whole.  A position player who does all the same things but also plays Gold Glove defense can be edged up to above average because he is taking runs away from opposing teams.  A DH who is hitting doubles, scoring runs and racking up RBIs?  That DH would get an A, because that is what a DH is supposed to be doing.</p>
<p>I agree the original post could be poorly worded; for precision it should read something like &#8220;Here are the offensive players (or &#8216;Here are the position players&#8217;) graded on their overall performance, both defensively and offensively &#8211; we&#8217;ll do the pitching in another post&#8230;&#8221; But that&#8217;s just semantics.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/14/20-percent-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-184121</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 00:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt; Find those stats and prove me wrong. &lt;/b&gt;

Um, no.

You made the statement. YOU provide the support.

(Please note; the support you cite is pathetically inadequate. How about a more comprehensive study? It&#039;s YOUR statement. YOU do the work to support it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b> Find those stats and prove me wrong. </b></p>
<p>Um, no.</p>
<p>You made the statement. YOU provide the support.</p>
<p>(Please note; the support you cite is pathetically inadequate. How about a more comprehensive study? It&#8217;s YOUR statement. YOU do the work to support it).</p>
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